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Accident at Disneyland (CA)
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UncleJeet
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Hrmmm, I don't think so. Keep in mind that BTM is a top-wheeled coaster, there's no undercarriage or under-wheels keeping it secured to the railing (as far as I know.) Say you load the back 5 cars very heavy people and seat them all on the right side. you have a recipe for a derailment.
Physics are extremely important in roller coasters. With more modern designs, most of these things have been addressed. If you load a train too light, it might experience too much loss and not be able to complete the circuit. We have accellerators today that compensate for this. Load a train too heavy, and your speeds may become too great - but today we have brake systems in place. We also have steel coasters with wheels on the top AND wheels on the bottom, which keeps things like nasty lateral forces from tipping the cars off the rails, and allows for high vertical forces without fear of the car hopping off the rails.
I'd say that, if poor loading or CM negligence was involved that it was most likely complicated by something else, like one of the things you mentioned, in order to cause this to happen.
Perhaps a train was a bit overloaded and heavy, which put too much of a strain on the joining bits of the cars and the locomotive, which were getting a little long in the tooth and barely met safety regulations - that sort of thing.
Or maybe it was just a fluke. Act of God, sort of thing.
UncleJeet
josh_e_washie
New Member
I just wanted to point out something right now....isn't disney famous for not pronouncing anyone 'deceased' on property? i want to know whats going on really bad...
PhotoDave219
Well-Known Member
Youre factually innacurate. You're alledging that BTM would be closed at WDW in responce to this incident at DL when in actuallity it already is closed for a rehab.
Merlin0402
Active Member
CEO, what the hell is wrong with you? A train derailed on Big Thunder Mountain, and 12 people are injured, one of them critically, and all you can do is rant and rave about how horrible Disney is for not maintaining their rides!? How long has the ride been open? Come on, you just want attention today, you couldn't give a damn about these people...
AriBelle23
New Member
Every single time i read any posts by "THE_CEO" , its always something very very mean or negative...Okay, there were people injured at one of the Disney parks, i don't really think this is a time to be negative...nothing is completely confirmed yet...so I think we just have to wait. They probably will shut donw all the BTM's, but there is no need to be like, "told ya so!" here. This is serious. Thank God no one got killed!!!
Dr Albert Falls
New Member
WDW's Big Thunder has been down for rehab for about a week.
FYI-- they just announced that someone died on the ride today.
FYI-- they just announced that someone died on the ride today.
AriBelle23
New Member
whoa...very good point...i really hope no one was killed...that would be so awful! ...what is the latest now?
Actually, AriBelle, there was one fatality.
And josh, yes thats an urban legend, but I'm sure the person who died was declared deceased off property, because they sent him off in an ambulance quickly, meaning he wasnt dead when he left, if he was already dead they would have had him there longer while they waited for someone that could declare him dead.
And josh, yes thats an urban legend, but I'm sure the person who died was declared deceased off property, because they sent him off in an ambulance quickly, meaning he wasnt dead when he left, if he was already dead they would have had him there longer while they waited for someone that could declare him dead.
yensid354
New Member
BTM accident
Accident?
CEO seems to believe that the maintenance checks were not done, others that there are no undertrack wheels.
IMHO, this will turn out to be a 'customer' in the park that was looking for a payday, and had some pretty severe unintended consequence.
As I recall at DL and WDW, the ride is very well covered with cameras and there should/will be tape somewhere!
As to the news reports, the locomotives don't pull the train, the under carriage rack and lift chain provide motive lift, gravity provides the power. the locomotive is the same as a ride car, just not filled with guests.
Accident?
CEO seems to believe that the maintenance checks were not done, others that there are no undertrack wheels.
IMHO, this will turn out to be a 'customer' in the park that was looking for a payday, and had some pretty severe unintended consequence.
As I recall at DL and WDW, the ride is very well covered with cameras and there should/will be tape somewhere!
As to the news reports, the locomotives don't pull the train, the under carriage rack and lift chain provide motive lift, gravity provides the power. the locomotive is the same as a ride car, just not filled with guests.
UncleJeet
New Member
If so, I stand corrected. Disney is so good at hiding things, that there could very well be wheels underneath the rails on BtM and I just haven't seen them before. If so, that's a good thing.
Anyway, mMy whole point with the "human error" bit is that these things are rarely the cause of just one thing. Yeah, a connecting piece may be a bit weak, but unless the train is too heavy or travelling to fast it'll probably be ok, that sort of thing.
Fact is, we won't know until a formal investigation is done and reported to us, and that won't be for awhile.
UncleJeet