A Terror-rific Spirited 13th (ToT fans have lots to fear)...

[Cesar R M]

Marvel Studios do what they do very well. Just crank out solid films, nothing too ambitious, stick to the formula, respect the source material and avoid stunt casting.

They never fall flat on their face.

They make it look easy yet WB can never get out of their bad habits.

Their problem is always trying too hard to be always "gritty dark world" with zero comedy.

 

[doctornick]

Maybe it's cuz I'm a bit younger (early 20s), but I've really loved the Winnie the pooh ride at wdw since it opened. And when i got to visit Disneyland and ride mr toads for the first time a few years ago, I didn't see what all the fuss was about. It's a neat enough dark ride, but I think Pooh is better. Toad just didn't seem like this incredible classic Disney ride that iit would be tragedy to lose. What am I missing here that makes replacing it with Winnie the pooh such a mistake?

From my prospective, the bigger issue is why "replace" when you can "add". There's tons of space at WDW, they should have made Pooh an addition on unused space.

I would agree that Pooh is a comparable ride to Mr Toad's, though having two different tracks/experiences at MK's Mr Toad was a nice feature that was lost.

 

[NearTheEars]

That's true. I don't have an issue with Frozen in Epcot for the same reason. However, people are more okay with Carsland because it was extremely well done. You can't say the same thing about Frozen. And if the other resorts get WAY better Frozen lands and attractions, you can't really blame the people on the boards complaining that WDW always gets cheated out.

Agreed. Though I think FEA turned out well, its definitely NOT what that IP deserved.
I wasn't too upset with the location. I was mostly just sad that it didn't get bigger play in Fantasyland or even DHS.

I have never been to DCA, so I'm not really qualified to comment on it, but from the outside an entire park that pays homage to California that's located right in California always seemed odd to me. Especially with so many of the recreated sites nearby in real life.

I think it should have been given a name change after the redo. Then there would be no issue to even bring up about Carsland.

 

[NearTheEars]

The 'its not in norway' was not an argument against against the ride - it was a rebuttal to the argument that it belongs because Frozen's setting is in Norway. It's not.
The attraction is set in a park region where the purpose of the attractions is to share, educate, and celebrate the host country - the frozen story, characters, and plot do none of that... It's simply set in a Scandinavian setting. The movie's setting is not a justification for 'fitting' or 'purpose'. No more than National Lampoons belongs anywhere in World Showcase simply because the movie was set there.

Carsland does not have the same issues regarding lack and conflict of purpose. Carsland has the same ambiguous setting issue, but the car culture is lifted straight from Cali (and is HUGE) and the setting can be fibbed enough to not really detract. Just like Frozen's setting is ambiguous and can be fibbed.. but the attraction doesn't do anything to leverage the setting to support the 'lands purpose' - unlike Carsland.

The summerhaus and queue are the only things that 'fit' in the pavilion. The attraction itself is just gratitious 'because we can' fitment that is looked down upon because it so blatantly craps on the World Showcase concept. Something that Carsland does not do in DCA 2.0

Great, level-headed post on the subject. I do apologize for creating a thread drift, however.

 

[Nick Pappagiorgio]

I think the casting differences is really a great point. With Marvel casting I often think "of course, that's a natural choice" and it almost always works. With DC/WB they keep going with head-scratching choices for casting that the studio wants us to trust them will work out. Sometimes it does (Ledger-Joker, Batfleck), a lot of times it doesn't (Hathaway-Catwoman, Jesse-Luthor, most of S. Squad).

I'm curious where they will be after the Infinity War films. Some of the main actors (like RD Jr) are likely to be done, and it won't be easy to cast since many of the actors have been fairly iconic. They have made good decisions casting in the newer films, but they are getting to seemingly more obscure characters. And I am not sure that these will be able to carry an Avengers movie.

 

[DinoInstitute]

Carsland does not have the same issues regarding lack and conflict of purpose. Carsland has the same ambiguous setting issue, but the car culture is lifted straight from Cali (and is HUGE) and the setting can be fibbed enough to not really detract. Just like Frozen's setting is ambiguous and can be fibbed.. but the attraction doesn't do anything to leverage the setting to support the 'lands purpose' - unlike Carsland.

Snow?

 

[RSoxNo1]

Thats the issue of MTG.. they seem to change rules as fast as someone changes socks.
I still remember when my plague /pestilence rats deck was insanely powerful.

just to be revived by the same infinity gauntled later on..
You gonna bet on it! Probably to replace chars or rotate from amazon universe to ultimate and so on..

I ran a deck based around Timetwister where I could stack turns and kill my opponents with a single Lightning Bolt.

 

[ford91exploder]

Agreed. Though I think FEA turned out well, its definitely NOT what that IP deserved.
I wasn't too upset with the location. I was mostly just sad that it didn't get bigger play in Fantasyland or even DHS.

I have never been to DCA, so I'm not really qualified to comment on it, but from the outside an entire park that pays homage to California that's located right in California always seemed odd to me. Especially with so many of the recreated sites nearby in real life.

I think it should have been given a name change after the redo. Then there would be no issue to even bring up about Carsland.

Frozen SHOULD have gotten the treatment it's getting in Japan a whole mini-land devoted to it, Disney HAD their answer to the 'Wizarding World' but they absolutely blew the opportunity, This could have been placed in Fantasyland near the old skyway station. Which would have been an easy thematic transition and it would have been appropriate as Frozen is about Elsa's magic so why should it not be in the Magic Kingdom.

Frozen deserved FAR more than it got from TDO, Yes Maelstrom needed an overhaul but heck Vikings are STILL popular in popular culture even to this day. A proper Norwegian ride could have been done perhaps focusing entirely on the Viking era and not a journey through time.

 

[HauntedPirate]

From my prospective, the bigger issue is why "replace" when you can "add". There's tons of space at WDW, they should have made Pooh an addition on unused space.

I would agree that Pooh is a comparable ride to Mr Toad's, though having two different tracks/experiences at MK's Mr Toad was a nice feature that was lost.

The problem, as I see it, is that Disney has taken "the blessing of size" in Florida and abused it to the point where it's a curse. Of course, there's also the curse of those in upper management making some of the most bone-headed decisions, but I digress.

 

[Bairstow]

Frozen SHOULD have gotten the treatment it's getting in Japan a whole mini-land devoted to it, Disney HAD their answer to the 'Wizarding World' but they absolutely blew the opportunity, This could have been placed in Fantasyland near the old skyway station. Which would have been an easy thematic transition and it would have been appropriate as Frozen is about Elsa's magic so why should it not be in the Magic Kingdom.

Frozen deserved FAR more than it got from TDO, Yes Maelstrom needed an overhaul but heck Vikings are STILL popular in popular culture even to this day. A proper Norwegian ride could have been done perhaps focusing entirely on the Viking era and not a journey through time.

It will be interesting to see to what extent the new Japanese ride uses assets initially designed for, or at least used in, the Maelstrom overlay. I will be surprised if at least the animatronic designs are not reused.

 

[Jones14]

It will be interesting to see to what extent the new Japanese ride uses assets initially designed for, or at least used in, the Maelstrom overlay. I will be surprised if at least the animatronic designs are not reused.

I'm more interested to see if the storyline remains the same, and if so, the positives and negatives that come from two very different executions of the same idea.

 

[Bairstow]

I'm more interested to see if the storyline remains the same, and if so, the positives and negatives that come from two very different executions of the same idea.

Yeah, between Hunny Hunt and Ride & Go Seek there's certainly a precedent for the Tokyo equivalent of a cheap American Disney ride to be far grander and more expensive.

 

[Cesar R M]

I ran a deck based around Timetwister where I could stack turns and kill my opponents with a single Lightning Bolt.

Not valid on the new modern rulesets, right?

 

[Cesar R M]

I'm curious where they will be after the Infinity War films. Some of the main actors (like RD Jr) are likely to be done, and it won't be easy to cast since many of the actors have been fairly iconic. They have made good decisions casting in the newer films, but they are getting to seemingly more obscure characters. And I am not sure that these will be able to carry an Avengers movie.

Probably replaced by their new ultimate counterparts?.
The new Iron woman, the new captain america ( aka Falcon ), Young Nova (Alexander), Miss Marvel ( Inhuman ), Spiderman (miles morales version) ,Young Wasp, Thor (female) and Vision..
They could be similar to the current comics "New Avengers" arc. Which is actually pretty good.

Also, new comic arc came up, the "Champions", which are pretty much a teen titans/young justice equivalent of Marvel (Young Nova, Miles Morales Spiderman, Ms Marvel, Young Hulk, Viv Vision, and seems old time warped Young cyclops is joining on issue #2.) so far enjoying it.

 

[Mike S]

Probably replaced by their new ultimate counterparts?.
The new Iron woman, the new captain america ( aka Falcon ), Young Nova (Alexander), Miss Marvel ( Inhuman ), Spiderman (miles morales version) ,Young Wasp, Thor (female) and Vision..
They could be similar to the current comics "New Avengers" arc. Which is actually pretty good.

Also, new comic arc came up, the "Champions", which are pretty much a teen titans/young justice equivalent of Marvel (Young Nova, Miles Morales Spiderman, Ms Marvel, Young Hulk, Viv Vision, and seems old time warped Young cyclops is joining on issue #2.) so far enjoying it.

I highly doubt they'll have another new Spider-Man so soon. More likely he's one of the survivors.

 

[mickeyfan5534]

Probably replaced by their new ultimate counterparts?.
The new Iron woman, the new captain america ( aka Falcon ), Young Nova (Alexander), Miss Marvel ( Inhuman ), Spiderman (miles morales version) ,Young Wasp, Thor (female) and Vision..
They could be similar to the current comics "New Avengers" arc. Which is actually pretty good.

Also, new comic arc came up, the "Champions", which are pretty much a teen titans/young justice equivalent of Marvel (Young Nova, Miles Morales Spiderman, Ms Marvel, Young Hulk, Viv Vision, and seems old time warped Young cyclops is joining on issue #2.) so far enjoying it.

Very doubtful any of them other than Kamala Khan (who's somehow skyrocketed to A-minus lister in a very short time) will be making an appearance soon. I think we're closer to Bucky taking the Cap position as he did in the comics after Evans's contract is up. We might possibly maybe end up seeing Miles Morales in a Spidey sequel. Nova would probably show up in a Guardians movie if he shows up at all. Female Thor is Jane Foster and Natalie Portman has no interest in reprising the role. Young Wasp and Iron Woman are far too new to see where they end up. I think the new Avengers is closer to our current 'phase 3' line up. Dr. Strange, Guardians, Spidey, Black Panther, Ant-Man, Wasp, and Captain Marvel with a potential for Young Avengers to cash in on Kamala's popularity.

 

[Rich T]

...Then there would be no issue to even bring up about Carsland.

Most DL visitors, and especially Californians, couldn't care less about the loose California theming at DCA (aside from appreciating Buena Vista St.). They go to experience Cars Land and a great lineup of supporting attractions at a very nice-looking park. The only people on the entire planet who are at all miffed at the presence of Radiator Springs are... well, right here on these forums. Disney should just drop "California" from the park's name entirely. At this point, it's about adventures of all kinds, from Radiator Springs to Atlantica and mythical California-like make-believe realms like Grizzly Peak and Paradise Pier...and soon-to-be Hero Street or whatever they call it.

 

[NearTheEars]

Most DL visitors, and especially Californians, couldn't care less about the loose California theming at DCA (aside from appreciating Buena Vista St.). They go to experience Cars Land and a great lineup of supporting attractions at a very nice-looking park. The only people on the entire planet who are at all miffed at the presence of Radiator Springs are... well, right here on these forums. Disney should just drop "California" from the park's name entirely. At this point, it's about adventures of all kinds, from Radiator Springs to Atlantica and mythical California-like make-believe realms like Grizzly Peak and Paradise Pier...and soon-to-be Hero Street or whatever they call it.

Agreed! Hoping to get out to the West Coast soon.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Toy Story Land for Shanghai announced

 

[the.dreamfinder]

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