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Kman101

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They definitely made a mistake not going with Hunchback. I have no doubts it would have been a success. Kids can understand and enjoy things more than Disney wants to give them credit for ... if that was the reason they didn't follow through with it. But Frozen came out around the same time so I have to think that one did have to do with the other.
 
Princess Leia

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GiveMeTheMusic said:
Hunchback wasn't shelved because of Frozen, it was shelved because present-day Disney cannot figure out how to market a Disney show that isn't kid-appropriate. Apparently they've forgotten Aida and have no interest in relearning the skillset, so more princess shows it is!
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Kman101 said:
They definitely made a mistake not going with Hunchback. I have no doubts it would have been a success. Kids can understand and enjoy things more than Disney wants to give them credit for ... if that was the reason they didn't follow through with it. But Frozen came out around the same time so I have to think that one did have to do with the other.
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I listened to the Hunchback musical soundtrack, and while it's great (and how can it not be, the movie soundtrack ranks among Disney's best), I think there were still some kinks that needed to be sorted out. The Hunchback of Notre Dame is an incredibly complicated novel (Lots of characters that end up dead), and while the movie cleaned it up a bit, it seemed like they were trying to get back to the darker roots for the Broadway show. In my opinion, that mostly worked, but I feel like they really misused Jehan (one of my favorite characters from the book), and then killing off Esmeralda (like the book) seemed a little unnecessary (she was the only lead female character in the American version, so killing her off doesn't look great, IMO). Even in Aida, there's a slightly happier ending.

It's not that I don't enjoy tragic musicals- I do (I love Les Mis, Spring Awakening, Sweeney Todd, and The Last 5 Years). Hunchback just seemed like it needed a little more tinkering before it could be on the same classic level as Beauty and the Beast, Aida, Lion King, and Mary Poppins.
 
FigmentJedi

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Animaniac93-98 said:
How long before they try and make Star Wars into a Broadway show?
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Direwolf27 said:
Starkid already did it. It's called "Ani: A Parody" and it focuses on Vader going back to his podracing roots before 'A New Hope' :p
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Also there's some fan concept album for a musical based on New Hope floating around online for years now. This is Luke Skywalker's "I Want" song.
 
Californian Elitist

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MerlinTheGoat said:
Frozen was fun on the first couple of watches, but it has gotten worse on subsequent watches. The music was a big negative personally. The only song I kind of like is Do You Wanna Build a Snowman, (and even the lyrics are stupid). Actively dislike Let it Go. Even Pocahontas (the only 90s renaissance movie I don't care for) still had fantastic music (and animation). I also disliked Olaf and found the villain stupid and pointless.

Not a big fan of Tangled either. I actually enjoyed Princess and the Frog far more than either Tangled or Frozen, and it is far from perfect. Though I generally detest Randy Newman, I still found Almost There and Friends on the Other Side enjoyable.

I have only seen Zootopia once so far, but I enjoyed it a lot. It remains to be seen whether I will feel the same on subsequent watches, but it is probably my favorite non-Pixar Disney animated movie in a very long time.

Yet to see Moana, trailers haven't sparked my interest. And once again I dislike the songs. I've seen reviews claiming it's the best since *insert 90s Disney movie here*. Same happened with Tangled and Frozen, and they fell obscenely short of that standard.

I'm very sad we won't ever see a more traditional Disney adaptation of original Snow Queen fairy tale (Walt Disney or Eisner era style adhering more closely to the story and characters, along with some beautiful classical music and hand drawn animation). The idea of a Frozen 2 though absolutely disgusts me.

I agree with raven24 regarding Lilo & Stitch, fantastic movie and great sister story (besides the tons of other great things about it). As for "strong independent woman", Mulan is far and above Frozen as well.
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Agreed about Pocahontas, the music is just fantastic. Definitely agree about Mulan and The Princess and the Frog, too.

Like you, I only like one song from Frozen, and it happens to be the shortest song in the entire film, "Reindeers Are Better Than People."

I'd like to see Disney return to 2D animation again.
 
matt9112

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ford91exploder said:
I think what @BrianLo is saying is that an E-ticket might be more profitably exchanged for a half dozen A-D tickets instead at DHS. So instead of a 2-E ticket SWL you would have a half dozen A-D tickets and an E-Ticket 'steaming weenie'.
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Side note how are you going to deal with the weather? Lots of covered spaces i assume? And a very effective steam loop?
 
Rodan75

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Direwolf27 said:
I listened to the Hunchback musical soundtrack, and while it's great (and how can it not be, the movie soundtrack ranks among Disney's best), I think there were still some kinks that needed to be sorted out. The Hunchback of Notre Dame is an incredibly complicated novel (Lots of characters that end up dead), and while the movie cleaned it up a bit, it seemed like they were trying to get back to the darker roots for the Broadway show. In my opinion, that mostly worked, but I feel like they really misused Jehan (one of my favorite characters from the book), and then killing off Esmeralda (like the book) seemed a little unnecessary (she was the only lead female character in the American version, so killing her off doesn't look great, IMO). Even in Aida, there's a slightly happier ending.

It's not that I don't enjoy tragic musicals- I do (I love Les Mis, Spring Awakening, Sweeney Todd, and The Last 5 Years). Hunchback just seemed like it needed a little more tinkering before it could be on the same classic level as Beauty and the Beast, Aida, Lion King, and Mary Poppins.
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Didn't they spend years workshopping Hunchback? It isn't as if they had a Broadway ready show and just gave up on it, they worked on it for a long time and decided that it wasn't Broadway caliber. But isn't it still available to licensed for touring and local productions?

I also thought, that Disney regularly develops shows that are never intended for Broadway but will only be licensed. Newsies was supposed to be that, but it turned out popular and strong enough to warrant a Broadway run.

Are they still workshopping Jungle Book, I haven't heard anything about that in about a year.
 
Princess Leia

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Rodan75 said:
Didn't they spend years workshopping Hunchback? It isn't as if they had a Broadway ready show and just gave up on it, they worked on it for a long time and decided that it wasn't Broadway caliber. But isn't it still available to licensed for touring and local productions?

I also thought, that Disney regularly develops shows that are never intended for Broadway but will only be licensed. Newsies was supposed to be that, but it turned out popular and strong enough to warrant a Broadway run.

Are they still workshopping Jungle Book, I haven't heard anything about that in about a year.
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Idk how I forgot about Newsies. I'd love to see that show.

Hunchback was first produced in Germany, and it was insanely popular over there. They changed some things for the American production, but I think the two were mostly similar (If I'm wrong, please correct me).

Sometimes I wonder what happened with Tarzan and The Little Mermaid. They both got mixed reviews, and they both were on Broadway for little over a year.
However, the Dutch production of the Little Mermaid seems to be really popular (they made some song and staging changes), and Disney is using their version for all touring purposes now.
 
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GiveMeTheMusic

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Rodan75 said:
Didn't they spend years workshopping Hunchback? It isn't as if they had a Broadway ready show and just gave up on it, they worked on it for a long time and decided that it wasn't Broadway caliber. But isn't it still available to licensed for touring and local productions?

I also thought, that Disney regularly develops shows that are never intended for Broadway but will only be licensed. Newsies was supposed to be that, but it turned out popular and strong enough to warrant a Broadway run.

Are they still workshopping Jungle Book, I haven't heard anything about that in about a year.
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Hunchback was aimed at Broadway. When Schumacher ultimately decided against it, it became available for licensing. Newsies was never intended for Broadway, and we know how that went.

Jungle Book is dead in the water as far as I know. Their most recent project is Freaky Friday, which was created for licensing and opens at La Jolla Playhouse next month.
 

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