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Disneyhead'71

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It could be an interesting conversation as the vocabulary is definitely lacking but the arguments are just insipid whining instead of a thoughtful analysis.


Something themed to itself is not a great story.


Table service dining, concierge service and a light show are not distinguishing characteristics of a theme park.
This is themed to look like an amusement park.
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And as far as the definition of "Theme Park". Volcano Bay will be a high quality park with a cohesive theme.
 

Katie G

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It's not a competition. I just want to point out that Disney Fans have ridiculous double standards and a visceral hatred of all things Universal that they don't even realize they have.

@Katie G yesterday in her best analytical tone was questioning Universal's business acumen in replacing the Curious George ball pit with a couple of Nintendo E Tickets. And she was serious. It's ridiculous.

Not sure why you insist on cheap shots. Clearly reading comprehension isn't in your wheelhouse given the number of times you have chosen to inaccurately read my posts. Accuse others of pixie dusting on Disney's behalf, but you are very defensive for Universal when there is no need to be. Quite hypocritical.

My post was really just questioning a decision without saying that it was good or bad. More information is sometimes needed before jumping on either bandwagon. I like the Nintendo brand. I like Universal. I really like seeing my nieces and nephews enjoy a fantastic time in a theme park that has rides available to them. If Nintendo stuff replaces rides they enjoy, I hope that there continues to be options available to them.

If this is what you're talking about she literally was just asking a question.

Thank you! I appreciate that you understood my question.
 

Disneyhead'71

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Not sure why you insist on cheap shots. Clearly reading comprehension isn't in your wheelhouse given the number of times you have chosen to inaccurately read my posts. Accuse others of pixie dusting on Disney's behalf, but you are very defensive for Universal when there is no need to be. Quite hypocritical.

My post was really just questioning a decision without saying that it was good or bad. More information is sometimes needed before jumping on either bandwagon. I like the Nintendo brand. I like Universal. I really like seeing my nieces and nephews enjoy a fantastic time in a theme park that has rides available to them. If Nintendo stuff replaces rides they enjoy, I hope that there continues to be options available to them.



Thank you! I appreciate that you understood my question.
I believe that the general consensus will be overwhelmingly in favor of replacing the Curious George ball pit and Party in the Park with Barney show with a couple of Nintendo E Tickets.
 

PizzaPlanet

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Is Volcano Bay Universal's first big project not based on an existing IP? I can't think of anything else.
And it's going to have elements that bring it a lot closer to theme park territory than any water park ever such as a table service restaurant, concierge services, and a night light show.
I would never want to eat at a table service restaurant in my bathing suit, but to each his own I guess.
 

Disneyhead'71

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Is Volcano Bay Universal's first big project not based on an existing IP? I can't think of anything else.

I would never want to eat at a table service restaurant in my bathing suit, but to each his own I guess.
I believe that they are aiming for an evening crowd where the family would show up and eat dinner. Then the kids go play and Mom and Dad have rum drinks and watch the show.
 

lazyboy97o

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This is themed to look like an amusement park.
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Yes, and your point is what?

They do help to blur the line more.
No, they do not blur the line. None of those amenities are explicitly tied to storytelling, the very heart of a themed experience. They elevate the level and quality of service and guest expectations of a premier experience. A really nice amusement park could have all of those and it would still be an amusement park.

Can you expand on this thought? 'Something themed to itself is not a great story.'
Paradise Pier and Chester and Hester's Dino Rama would be the best examples. California Screamin' is a roller coaster themed to a roller coaster. Triceratops Spin is a tacky flat ride themed to a tacky flat ride. Studio Parks also tend to do it slightly differently, showbuildings (a giant non-descript box) themed to a sound stage (a giant non-descript box). Disney Springs is a lifestyle center (shopping mall) themed to a shopping area. They're weak stories that tend to justify anything.
 

Mike S

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I believe that the general consensus will be overwhelmingly in favor of replacing the Curious George ball pit and Party in the Park with Barney show with a couple of Nintendo E Tickets.
And since this is Nintendo one of them is bound to be a "family" E Ticket like PotC and HM where anyone can ride. Rumors say that's the Yoshi one right?
Is Volcano Bay Universal's first big project not based on an existing IP? I can't think of anything else.
The first I think was Lost Continent which was their own spin on classic stories and myths. Whether you count that as IP is up to you.
I would never want to eat at a table service restaurant in my bathing suit, but to each his own I guess.
Can't believe I forgot this highlight in my list. My first night I got on the waiting list for Toothsome then went over to IoA and rode Dudley and Popeye in my bathing suit. I didn't change before eating but at least I wasn't soaked by then :hilarious:

The food was great and I could definitely do it again for Volcano Bay :hungry:
 

csmat99

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I think the reason Disney never used the term "water theme park" is so guests wouldn't be confused. I can just see the general public scratching their heads when Universal announces their "4th park", wondering when the third one opened.
If everything so far is to be believed about VB I would say it's close to a theme park then just a water park. My understanding is it will stay open at night and have nightly entertainment of course the volcano being the centerpiece to that. It's not a park you just go to for 2-3 hours during the day to cool off. From the sounds of it they will also be pricing it closer to theme park pricing. I'm sure the locals will be able to purchase a cheap annual pass but it will limit them only to this park and not the other two.
 

rael ramone

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I'm thinking TDO is really enjoying this thread...

Yes, literally, not being sarcastic...

Seeing all this talk about a competitors new (and potentially groundbreaking) offering is a lot better to them then seeing the (deserved) piling on on all the upcharges in so many other threads...
 

BrianLo

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Yes, they do blur the line between water park and theme park.

I agree with @lazyboy97o that there is a vocabulary issue at play here. The only thing that would blur the line between a water park and a theme park is if they had actual rides beyond water slides, lazy rivers and a wave pool. For example lifting Jurassic Park would blur the line.

A theme park is a themed amusement park. These additional elements aren't intrinsic to amusement parks, they are supportive of theme perhaps. So what we are seeing is a blurring of the line with how themed a water park can be, but it's not blurring the line with there being any facet of 'amusement' vs 'water'.

Table Dining and a Night show doesn't blur the line that Disney Springs is still a shopping mall after all, one that is more 'themed' than normal, but it does nothing to convince me that it is an actual themed 'amusement' park.

TEA will continue to rank VB in the water park category. So therein lies the vocab issue, we need something to refer to themed water parks vs reg old water parks much in the way we have themed amusement parks vs reg old.
 

twebber55

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They have, and still do, come up short in many areas.

Personally I'm rooting for them due to the immeasurable improvements shown over the last decade, and in Orlando particularly. IMHO they are ascending. WDW is coasting, and in many areas declining. From this, both sides deserve the response they get. Again IMHO.

Uni Orlando is the underdog that came back from certain death to rebuild and even recreate itself. For that alone they get a nod. They've come so far but still have a way to go. The amazing thing is they still want and aim to get there.

But pleeeeeeease drop the a vs b argument. Again.
i agree with everything you said here except the last line simply because both sides never drop the a vs b argument
 

spacemt354

Chili's
It's ironic that a few years ago I remember people calling 7DMT a kiddie coaster, and then the other side would argue that it's so much more and that's the wrong definition.

Now people are calling Volcano Bay a water park, and the other side is arguing that it's so much more and that's the wrong definition.

The A vs B argument will go on forever.
 

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