A Spirited Valentine ...

BlindChow

BlindChow

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Bocabear said:
A beautifully placed tour de force! Even the first version of [Sindbad in Tokyo] without the music was amazing.
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You mean the version "without the song."

The first version of Tokyo's Sindbad definitely had music. It was subtle and enhanced an amazing story of adventure. The new version was stripped any nuance and tried to make it a cute and fluffy Small World trifle.

I do like the tiger.

But I will forever miss the "what's going to happen next?" mystery as you enter each new scene, the sense of place each location had when you could actually hear the activity bustling about you, and that amazing existential ending, the final question of: what next? What's left to do when you've conquered the world?

Welp, at least it has a catchy song...
 
BrianLo

BrianLo

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BlindChow said:
You mean the version "without the song."

The first version of Tokyo's Sindbad definitely had music. It was subtle and enhanced an amazing story of adventure. The new version was stripped any nuance and tried to make it a cute and fluffy Small World trifle.

I do like the tiger.

But I will forever miss the "what's going to happen next?" mystery as you enter each new scene, the sense of place each location had when you could actually hear the activity bustling about you, and that amazing existential ending, the final question of: what next? What's left to do when you've conquered the world?

Welp, at least it has a catchy song...
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I think there are two distinct camps. People who experienced the ride before and people who experienced the ride solely after. Neither likes the other version. They are shockingly tonally different.

Like learning that the previous version of small world was a narrative of world war. I love new Sindbad, the old version not so much.
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
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ford91exploder said:
There is the DELTA-INDIA-SIERRA board if you want all Disney Approved Pixie Dust all the time.
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The DIS is not forbidden on these boards. The one that has news of this day and the one that's easy are the forbidden ones.

I don't know about their boards, but their editors and reviews can be quite critical of Disney.

Or do you think they're such pixie dusters because they gave you a hard time for your extreme negativity?
 
misterID

misterID

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RoysCabin said:
Not for nothing, but I think you're doing a fair bit of narrative-building here. Not every change is the result of some "rude butthead" cabal, not everyone is out to "ruin everyone's good time", and hey, some changes actually do make sense or might be more appropriate.

I'm certainly not interested in seeing the auction scene go, but the odds that Disney is reacting to an incredibly small, not even really vocal minority, instead of trying to monetize things as much as possible with pre-existing IPs they own, which is the direction the company has been trending for ages now, seem a bit off.
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I named the things I was talking about, not building a narrative. Of course some things were changed not because of buttheads complaining. I didn't think I had to point that out.
 
jakeman

jakeman

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Kman101 said:
OK. We can split hairs on that but they have improved. No they aren't how they used to be. I've acknowledged that before. I can still give them credit for the upkeep now though.
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That's one of the large problems as to why the hardcore fan base will never gain traction to have any sort of significant influence in decisions. It's the self sabotage of "not enough". Especially as we get further away from the supposed magical time of the 80s and 90s and more and more of the fan base never experienced that time first hand.

You can continue to seek improvement while acknowledging progress along the way, but withholding even mild accolades because of standards tainted by nostalgia only makes it easier to dismiss the opinion as a whole as simply "never satisfied".
 
FigmentJedi

FigmentJedi

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BrianLo said:
I think there are two distinct camps. People who experienced the ride before and people who experienced the ride solely after. Neither likes the other version. They are shockingly tonally different.

Like learning that the previous version of small world was a narrative of world war. I love new Sindbad, the old version not so much.
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The new version just feels like a ride based on all those stereotypes about how Disney sanitizes fairy tales into being nothing but sugary mush. Like if the "Disney's Titey" sketch from SNL was a real movie.
https://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/tv-funhouse-titey/2870442?snl=1
 
Kman101

Kman101

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jakeman said:
That's one of the large problems as to why the hardcore fan base will never gain traction to have any sort of significant influence in decisions. It's the self sabotage of "not enough". Especially as we get further away from the supposed magical time of the 80s and 90s and more and more of the fan base never experienced that time first hand.

You can continue to seek improvement while acknowledging progress along the way, but withholding even mild accolades because of standards tainted by nostalgia only makes it easier to dismiss the opinion as a whole as simply "never satisfied".
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You said it. Hit the nail right on the head
 
jakeman

jakeman

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AJH219 said:
I frankly don't care what things were like in the 80s and 90s because I never experienced the so called golden age. I began visiting yearly in 2010, before moving here in 2015, and I can tell things have greatly improved here and there even since 2015. People are just to jaded to acknowledge it
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It's a surprisingly complicated issues for something as simple as a theme park with all the layers of nostalgia and the agendas that impede an honest dialogue.

The best part is if you Google back into the early days of the internet and some of the newsgroups back then you can find folks complaining about the decline starting in the early 90s (you might even recognize some usernames!). I'm sure if the internet were more accessible in the 80s the decline would have started then and in the 70s we would all be complaining about the copycat DL coming to Orlando. :D
 
The_Jobu

The_Jobu

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jakeman said:
The truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle.
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I agree, some things have improved and some areas must have declined. If someone has a critique of a certain part of park experience being in decline, saying people complained decades ago doesn't invalidate their argument. We should all be more specific around here.

"Everything's gone to ****!" and "they just keep getting better and better all the time!" are both foolish statements.
 
RoysCabin

RoysCabin

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Goob said:
This has gone on forever. I remember in the 90's everyone was clamoring for new attractions at Epcot. Even everyone's beloved Horizons seemed to be getting dull.

Nostalgia is a powerful thing.
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To be fair, by the mid 90s Horizons WAS getting a bit dull, but losing the ride entirely rather than seeing it updated totally changed the context of people's feelings over it.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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And this my friends is why Universal got Nintendo.
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https://www.npd.com/wps/portal/npd/...ids-in-the-us-npd-finds/#.WUk2m1i2kFM.twitter
 
Rodan75

Rodan75

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culturenthrills

culturenthrills

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Has anyone noticed how much Magic Kingdom's hours have been cut this summer. Feel like they cut an hour or two off the schedule this summer. No midnight closes scheduled except for 1am July 4th. Can't remember the last time they cut it back this much
 
Andrew C

Andrew C

You know what's funny?
photoginit said:
Has anyone noticed how much Magic Kingdom's hours have been cut this summer. Feel like they cut an hour or two off the schedule this summer. No midnight closes scheduled except for 1am July 4th. Can't remember the last time they cut it back this much
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Not really. Hours are typically extended when needed during the summer.
 

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