A Spirited Valentine ...

[Daveeeeed]

Peter Pan isn't in the public domain. It is controlled by a British Children's Hospital.

I was more speaking on Disney doesn't own (like Mary Poppins), but that is very interesting. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

 

[tirian]

You apparently missed the part about "animated characters". Of course they have no lock on any public domain character, nor did I ever imply such.

Your geography is off. Treasure Island is in fact an island off the coast of “Spanish America”. That includes the Caribbean. Had Robert Newton not reprized his role as Long John Silver in non-Disney productions, it's very possible that PoTC might have used his portrayal.

I should have been more specific. I meant that Treasure Island has nothing to do with the cities in the Spanish Main. It isn't the same setting as POTC.

Walt would have been more than pleased to "shove IP" into any and all of his attractions. After all, Walt was the IP King which was proven by getting sponsors to pay for all the attractions he build for the 1964 New York World's Fair. And let's not forget that the Tiki Room, Space Mountain and many others had sponsors as well. Walt was more than happy to take sponsor money and build them anything they wanted! The old Disneyland TV show was nothing but an advertisement for Disneyland. Walt was a great salesman!

This is illogical. He didn't shove his movie IPs into every attraction. He did create new ones. You agree here.

He was more interested in creating new forms of entertainment than ransacking the same old ideas.

"You can't top pigs with pigs." —Walt Disney

I hope that the new Jungle Cruise movie is a big hit and that The Rock has a prominent role in the new and improved attraction! However, if it's a flop, The Rock will be looking for his namesake to crawl under and Disney will put that film in the same vault with Brother Bear and the CBJ movie (and the CBJ attraction).

Universal's motto was "Ride the Movies." That was never the intention of Disneyland, the MK, or Epcot, and the idea that every ride has to be connected to a film character is Lowest Common Denominator entertainment. Pirates, Jungle Cruise, HM, and even CBJ were already famous and beloved enough to "inspire" movies. They didn't need movie IPs to be successful.

 

[Phil12]

https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2015/10/21/peter-pan-and-the-copyright-that-never-grew-up/

Thank you. That is a very interesting article!

 

[ford91exploder]

Wow. This is unfortunately a good assessment of the situation in Paris. On one hand, the park will finally be well maintained, and that has only returned to the American parks within the last few years. On the other hand, DLP will also suffer from the dumbing down of American culture.

Um american parks and well maintained are two concepts which dont go together

 

[ford91exploder]

I don't think the DLP Pirate redo has got anything to do with PC.

DLP has been bought by TWDC, which is a barbaric corporation out to destroy everything that makes a Disney park Disney. DLP, which has been spared so much of the infantilisation and IP-fication of the US parks, is now seeing the conversion of Discoveryland into Sorta Star Wars Land, of the Backlot into Marvel Land, hot on the heels of Pixar Land for the Toon Studios (soon coming in two parts to EPCOT and DHS), and now the conversion of Pirates of the Caribbean into the mostly unrelated but similarly named Pirates of the Caribbean.

We may come to think of 2016/17 as the height of DLP. Fully restored and cleaned up, but largely before the wholesale destruction.

 

[ford91exploder]

You apparently missed the part about "animated characters". Of course they have no lock on any public domain character, nor did I ever imply such.

Your geography is off. Treasure Island is in fact an island off the coast of “Spanish America”. That includes the Caribbean. Had Robert Newton not reprized his role as Long John Silver in non-Disney productions, it's very possible that PoTC might have used his portrayal.

Walt would have been more than pleased to "shove IP" into any and all of his attractions. After all, Walt was the IP King which was proven by getting sponsors to pay for all the attractions he build for the 1964 New York World's Fair. And let's not forget that the Tiki Room, Space Mountain and many others had sponsors as well. Walt was more than happy to take sponsor money and build them anything they wanted! The old Disneyland TV show was nothing but an advertisement for Disneyland. Walt was a great salesman!

I hope that the new Jungle Cruise movie is a big hit and that The Rock has a prominent role in the new and improved attraction! However, if it's a flop, The Rock will be looking for his namesake to crawl under and Disney will put that film in the same vault with Brother Bear and the CBJ movie (and the CBJ attraction).

As for the 1964 Worlds Fair, Disney was contracted to build those attractions by companies that wanted to be represented at the fair

CoP - General Electric
IASW - UNICEF By PepsiCo
Skyway - Ford
Great Moments with Mr Lincoln
Robert Moses / State of New York

Ironically WED enterprises was chosen to build because the could do it the fastest

Fast forward to today where a gazebo is a 2 year project

 

[Kman101]

Um american parks and well maintained are two concepts which dont go together

That's just not accurate anymore. You'd have to visit the parks though in order to see they're far better maintained than they were a few years ago.

 

[Phineas]

Rumor going around that Disneyland Paris's Pirates might be losing their auction scene because political correctness and movie synergy and this might come over to the other parks.

http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2017/06/will-disneyland-paris-pirates-of.html

Wow, you guys-it's almost like Pirates were terrible people and weren't role model material...

 

[ford91exploder]

I'm going to politely disagree. Have you been to Disneyland recently? What about DAK?

The last time i visited parks there was no TP and most of the toilets were overflowing onto the floor. And i was really glad i was wearing waterproof hiking shoes which could be disinfected with bleach once i got back to villa that was a truly MAGICal experience that made me decide i'm done with visiting WDW

 

[Hakunamatata]

The last time i visited parks there was no TP and most of the toilets were overflowing onto the floor. And i was really glad i was wearing waterproof hiking shoes which could be disinfected with bleach once i got back to villa that was a truly MAGICal experience that made me decide i'm done with visiting WDW

Im happy to report that in our recent trip exceeding ten days on or around the property, overflow toilet count was zero and no deficiency in toilet paper products. Dont let this keep you from going back.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

The last time i visited parks there was no TP and most of the toilets were overflowing onto the floor. And i was really glad i was wearing waterproof hiking shoes which could be disinfected with bleach once i got back to villa that was a truly MAGICal experience that made me decide i'm done with visiting WDW

So since this is a WDW set of forums, maybe it's time to move on here as well, since you're done visiting WDW?

 

[wm49rs]

The last time i visited parks there was no TP and most of the toilets were overflowing onto the floor. And i was really glad i was wearing waterproof hiking shoes which could be disinfected with bleach once i got back to villa that was a truly MAGICal experience that made me decide i'm done with visiting WDW

B#ll#cks....

 

[Bairstow]

Wow, you guys-it's almost like Pirates were terrible people and weren't role model material...

That's the old version of history.
Disney has now reframed the word "pirate" to mean "adventurer."

 

[brb1006]

Peter Pan isn't in the public domain. It is controlled by a British Children's Hospital.

He's public domain in American not in the UK

 

[RoysCabin]

Nah, this was an issue before the film. Those pirates used to chase the ladies. We used to have Dixie Landings. There are too many sensitive souls who take things too literal, too serious, who don't understand nuance, and they ruin everything to satisfy their own sensitivities. It's why we have such rude entitled buttheads. One of the funniest, most original scenes ever in a theme park attraction pulled off by AAs and they're going to dump it for nothing. Terrible.

Hey Disney, "We wants the redhead!"

Not for nothing, but I think you're doing a fair bit of narrative-building here. Not every change is the result of some "rude butthead" cabal, not everyone is out to "ruin everyone's good time", and hey, some changes actually do make sense or might be more appropriate.

I'm certainly not interested in seeing the auction scene go, but the odds that Disney is reacting to an incredibly small, not even really vocal minority, instead of trying to monetize things as much as possible with pre-existing IPs they own, which is the direction the company has been trending for ages now, seem a bit off.

 

[GoofGoof]

The last time i visited parks there was no TP and most of the toilets were overflowing onto the floor. And i was really glad i was wearing waterproof hiking shoes which could be disinfected with bleach once i got back to villa that was a truly MAGICal experience that made me decide i'm done with visiting WDW

Most of the toilets? You lose any hope of people listening when you exaggerate to this extreme. Do I think it's possible or even likely that you saw a toilet that overflowed? Sure. Is it possible you saw a stall with no TP? Sure. Is it likely or even possible that most of the stalls had overflowing toilets and no TP? No. Not possible. You can be critical without creating fantasy doomsday scenarios. Here's the thing. A single toilet overflowing or missing TP that isn't corrected in a timely manner is still a problem. You don't have to grossly exaggerate things to make a point.

 

[MisterPenguin]

He's public domain in American not in the UK

You really need to read the links that people post so you don't post something that is factually incorrect like this is.

 

[lazyboy97o]

That's the old version of history.
Disney has now reframed the word "pirate" to mean "adventurer."

Pirates are loved by their mommies and dads because they're so polite and well mannered.

 

[flynnibus]

You really need to read the links that people post so you don't post something that is factually incorrect like this is.

It's not factually incorrect.
From GOSH themselves...
"Great Ormond Street Hospital Children's Charity has a right to royalty in perpetuity in the UK, granted by the Copyright Designs & Patents Act (1988) (CDPA). It applies to stage productions, broadcasting and publication of the whole or any substantial part of the work or an adaptation of it in the UK.

This right does not apply to derivative works such as sequels, prequels, spin-offs or to extracts.

The play Peter Pan is still in copyright in the US until 2023, and in Spain until 2017.

The copyright has expired everywhere else so, apart from the play in the US and Spain, it is considered in the public domain. Note: Fair use would apply in the US for use of characters etc in derivative works."

"Can anyone now write a sequel, prequel or other spin-off using the characters from the original story of Peter Pan?
Yes, because in the UK the terms of the CDPA (see above) do not apply to derivative works. In the US, fair use would apply since the novel is in the public domain."

Only the play by Barrie is covered by the special exception in the UK - not the original novel, nor the characters themselves. Only specific adaptations are covered under copyright, with the play having a special exception WITHIN the UK that is not time bound.

 

[MisterPenguin]

It's not factually incorrect.
From GOSH themselves...
"Great Ormond Street Hospital Children's Charity has a right to royalty in perpetuity in the UK, granted by the Copyright Designs & Patents Act (1988) (CDPA). It applies to stage productions, broadcasting and publication of the whole or any substantial part of the work or an adaptation of it in the UK.

This right does not apply to derivative works such as sequels, prequels, spin-offs or to extracts.

The play Peter Pan is still in copyright in the US until 2023, and in Spain until 2017.

The copyright has expired everywhere else so, apart from the play in the US and Spain, it is considered in the public domain. Note: Fair use would apply in the US for use of characters etc in derivative works."

"Can anyone now write a sequel, prequel or other spin-off using the characters from the original story of Peter Pan?
Yes, because in the UK the terms of the CDPA (see above) do not apply to derivative works. In the US, fair use would apply since the novel is in the public domain."

Only the play by Barrie is covered by the special exception in the UK - not the original novel, nor the characters themselves. Only specific adaptations are covered under copyright, with the play having a special exception WITHIN the UK that is not time bound.

The statement that PP is not in the public domain in the UK is false precisely because derivative works are not copyrighted in the UK.

It's only the play that's in play for being protected in the UK (and in the US for a while longer). The character himself is public domain in the UK (and everywhere else).