A Spirited Valentine ...

WDW1974

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Agree on the SW jr bit from Paramount yet the films while fun to watch except for the last one have not been ST films except in name

ST has always touched on social and moral issues while asking the question yes we can do this but SHOULD we do it.

Where SW is simply a bunch of rotating warlords opposed by mystics.

I hate these kinds of discussions that always wind up in my threads (take it to the PtN is coming here because Chappie demanded it thread since that one has no reason for being and yet it goes on and on and on and on and on and ...), BUT ... since it is here all I will say is that I much prefer Trek to Wars. One is based on science and often asks deep moral questions, the other is a soap opera in space (and often not a very good one). Now, I know people are going to have to defend their love of Wookies and droids, but they don't have to. Wars is incredibly popular and nothing I say (or anyone here says) is going to change that (if that franchise could survive the truly god-awful prequels, then it can survive some folks not thinking it is all that!)
 

WDW1974

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Great idea visiting the other resorts outside of the swamp. We will take a smaller trip to Tokyo and Shanghai this year. I encourage people to visit the rest of the world instead of just their own country. Even the Spirit.

Oh, I have now visited over 30 countries and plan on many more. ... I always encourage people to travel as it opens minds and possibilities. If more Americans actually traveled abroad they wouldn't arrogantly tout that we're No. 1 at everything when that most certainly has never been true and now ... well, we are a laughingstock.

But beyond not having financial means, many Americans are simply afraid of the world. So year after year they pack the minivan in Kentucky and hoof it down to WDW and think they're living the life. I don't know how often I have talked to someone on this (or other) sites who say something like "We've been to WDW 41 times and 38 have been on property, but we'd like to go to DL sometime." They never go because California scares them. Just imagine Europe or Asia or even ... gulp ... gasp ... Canada?!??!
 

HMF

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Oh, I have now visited over 30 countries and plan on many more. ... I always encourage people to travel as it opens minds and possibilities. If more Americans actually traveled abroad they wouldn't arrogantly tout that we're No. 1 at everything when that most certainly has never been true and now ... well, we are a laughingstock.

But beyond not having financial means, many Americans are simply afraid of the world. So year after year they pack the minivan in Kentucky and hoof it down to WDW and think they're living the life. I don't know how often I have talked to someone on this (or other) sites who say something like "We've been to WDW 41 times and 38 have been on property, but we'd like to go to DL sometime." They never go because California scares them. Just imagine Europe or Asia or even ... gulp ... gasp ... Canada?!??!
Which is why I am glad to have two trips to Europe in the planning stages.
 

WDW1974

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Enjoy the trip to Asia! As much fun as Disney parks are overseas, you will also fun things on the side. One suggestion for Tokyo: for the best selection of Tokyo Disney merchandise, get out of the resort and make your way to a train station called "Nakano" near Shinjuku. You can then walk to Nakano Broadway and inside, you will find many stores owned by Mandarake. Mandarake is a local chain of used "geek" stuff and one of their store (3rd floor if I remember correctly) has a huge selection of Disney things. Last February, you had incredible things such as an awesome Tokyo DisneySea opening day collectible glass plate.


Great tip. Printed and put with my travel docs. I lived in Japan a few years long ago and have been fortunate to visit a few times since. Don't tell @WDW1974 about the shop. He might buy up all the good stuff.:p

Good, old @WDW1974 (I just tagged myself for the first time and it feels great!) actually had plans of visiting because if there is one thing that TDR is weak on it is merchandise. To be fair, they are giving their Guests what they want. But I don't particularly want Duffy and other cutsie crap. I know they had far better stuff pre-2006.
 

WDW1974

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I don't collect things but my Daughter does and will be on this trip. All things geek and Marvel for her. Her office and home looks like a booth at Comicon. So your shopping tips will be for her. I have traveled extensively my entire life on business and pleasure and lived in several countries. I have visited about eighty the last I counted. I am on a cruise ship 80 or more days a year for several years recently. Florida has five cruise ports with good discounts for residents. The trip to Asia will end with a cross Pacific cruise home. Thanks for your tips.

Your daughter sounds crazier than you! I didn't think that was possible!:D:eek::devilish:
 

brb1006

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Good, old @WDW1974 (I just tagged myself for the first time and it feels great!) actually had plans of visiting because if there is one thing that TDR is weak on it is merchandise. To be fair, they are giving their Guests what they want. But I don't particularly want Duffy and other cutsie crap. I know they had far better stuff pre-2006.
To be fair cuteness is far more acceptable in Japan (And parts of Europe) compared to the West. Then again I been fascinated with Japanese culture for a few years now. Which explains why Disney characters like Marie,Chip and Dale, and Stitch are insanely popular over there.

I was reading this article that touches on this topic.

http://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/why-do-the-japanese-love-cute-things
 
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WDW1974

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Primarily due to constraints on real estate. There's really not huge amounts of space at Disneyland Resort to build out DVC. Every new piece of infrastructure has to be carefully weighed against the opportunity cost of other uses.

DVC may be compelling if your hotel inventory is well built out and any additions will only drive down your pricing, but if your baseline pricing is at $300 a night it becomes much more compelling to add hotel inventory; which is what they've decided to do.

Long term, after they've mitigated the parking issues, dense development in the Timon Parking lot would make sense. Whether that's DVC or hotel who knows.

If I'm doing a little conjecture, I'd also guess there could be political negativity towards it too. DVC should create lower tax revenue long term for the Resort District versus hotel buildout. Though someone more in the know could comment on that, @ParentsOf4?

Disney will add DVC at DLR eventually, but it will be small footprint. It isn't needed because it isn't overbuilt with hotels that Disney can't sustain the current business model of overpricing and always raising prices annually (pretty soon, you won't be able to get a value resort -- not that the designation will exist anyway -- for rack rate below $100 anytime)

But everything you said above is largely accurate.
 

KYWDW

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Oh, I have now visited over 30 countries and plan on many more. ... I always encourage people to travel as it opens minds and possibilities. If more Americans actually traveled abroad they wouldn't arrogantly tout that we're No. 1 at everything when that most certainly has never been true and now ... well, we are a laughingstock.

But beyond not having financial means, many Americans are simply afraid of the world. So year after year they pack the minivan in Kentucky and hoof it down to WDW and think they're living the life. I don't know how often I have talked to someone on this (or other) sites who say something like "We've been to WDW 41 times and 38 have been on property, but we'd like to go to DL sometime." They never go because California scares them. Just imagine Europe or Asia or even ... gulp ... gasp ... Canada?!??!
I'm from Kentucky and have winged it to Disneyland multiple times. ;) One of the few I know. I've found it to be more reasonable in costs includeing the flight then wdw.
 

ford91exploder

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I, for one, have never seen 'Avatar'. It didn't appeal to me in the least. That said, I'm curious to see what Pandora looks like, but to say I'm looking forward to it would be an obvious stretch. Having been to AK a few times while the addition was being built, my family affectionately called part of it a "floating t*rd in the sky". :D

I also agree that it does not appear to have any kind of cultural impact. Perhaps that's just me. Perhaps that's due to marketing, or a lack thereof. Perhaps it's due to the fact of when it was released (2009) and thus doesn't have the connection to baby boomers and Gen X'ers, and thus doesn't have their money chasing after it, like Star Wars, Star Trek, and Marvel do. My kids (8 to 16 yrs old) don't really care about 'Avatar' - Put 'Avatar' on and they'll watch but probably change the channel after a while. Put a 'Star Wars' movie on and they won't move until it's done, and would have no problem watching it again.

I'm looking more forward to the Star Wars additions than anything else. Even then, my expectations are low. Today's Disney seems to swing for the safety of a single or double instead of swinging for the fences and creating something timeless. Iger used the term "de-risk" when describing their approach to movies now, and I'd say that term definitely also applies to how they approach the theme parks these days. Yes, they are spending on the parks after a decade of neglect. However, after that decade of neglect they need home runs, not singles and doubles. Unfortunately, that's likely what they are going to get out of all the spending they are doing - Singles and doubles. That's what saddens me the most.

Singles and Doubles too ambitious Try a bunt and a walk
 

TiggerDad

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Wow, apparently any posts that hint that WDW visitor numbers might be heading in anything less than a magical direction get deleted straight away... For a moment I had to check the URL to see I wasn't on the Disney Parks Blog.

I guess that's how things are these days. Nothing to see hear anyone, everything is great, Disney has never seen so many guests, the rides are in the best condition they've ever been! Anyone telling you otherwise is just working for the dishonest fake theme parks!

That better?
Not sure what you said that got taken down, but there are plenty of Eeyores on this site.
 

doctornick

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On the topic of DVC and Disneyland, I had thought that the new hotel being built at DL was going to have DVC as part of that. Or was that just incorrect internet guessing?

If not, then I would think that one again, off again Tomorrow Tower for the Disneyland Hotel could easily be a DVC addition.
 

Rodan75

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But is Disney really a BRAND or a singular, distinct identity?

Not anymore, in reality. Some folks still wish it was. And some think it still is.

To spirit's previous points, Marvel and Lucasfilm both have earned Disney Mom love just because they were acquired, not because they were Disney-esque. So the brand does carry even if it isn't the same meaning anymore.
 

Mike S

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You are forgetting the novelty factor, After Avatar the 3D tech was no longer new, And let's face it the Biolumenescent Forest was worth the price of admission (but only in 3D), - The movies you describe well at best they were what the movie industry used to call b-movies...
Did you just call Up a "B movie?"
Wow, apparently any posts that hint that WDW visitor numbers might be heading in anything less than a magical direction get deleted straight away... For a moment I had to check the URL to see I wasn't on the Disney Parks Blog.

I guess that's how things are these days. Nothing to see hear anyone, everything is great, Disney has never seen so many guests, the rides are in the best condition they've ever been! Anyone telling you otherwise is just working for the dishonest fake theme parks!

That better?
if you're talking about the post I think you are that's not why it was deleted. It was the reason you gave for it which was very political and a banned topic for discussion.
I think that may be it. The world has gone mad and it is boiling over. ... It is very hard to worked up over the continued desecration of WDW when there are people out there who would like to sell our National Parks to the highest bidder (just one example).

I will say that I just don't feel that Disney is worth the energy anymore. Even stopping in here tonight required a back and forth in my mind.
For me it's just work and playing my new game system. Those two things are taking precedent over this site.
 

Rteetz

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On the topic of DVC and Disneyland, I had thought that the new hotel being built at DL was going to have DVC as part of that. Or was that just incorrect internet guessing?

If not, then I would think that one again, off again Tomorrow Tower for the Disneyland Hotel could easily be a DVC addition.
I believe that was just speculation. Disney has never said if it would include DVC. Also Disney doesn't announce DVC until much closer to completion.
 

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