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The Empress Lilly

The Empress Lilly

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Tahu said:
Rumor going around that Disneyland Paris's Pirates might be losing their auction scene because political correctness and movie synergy and this might come over to the other parks.

http://disneyandmore.blogspot.com/2017/06/will-disneyland-paris-pirates-of.html
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I don't think the DLP Pirate redo has got anything to do with PC.

DLP has been bought by TWDC, which is a barbaric corporation out to destroy everything that makes a Disney park Disney. DLP, which has been spared so much of the infantilisation and IP-fication of the US parks, is now seeing the conversion of Discoveryland into Sorta Star Wars Land, of the Backlot into Marvel Land, hot on the heels of Pixar Land for the Toon Studios (soon coming in two parts to EPCOT and DHS), and now the conversion of Pirates of the Caribbean into the mostly unrelated but similarly named Pirates of the Caribbean.

We may come to think of 2016/17 as the height of DLP. Fully restored and cleaned up, but largely before the wholesale destruction.
 
PizzaPlanet

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It seems like Captain Jack's implementation into the Paris attraction will overall be different than how it is stateside. I think I heard that he is only going to appear in two scenes. For this reason I doubt that they are going to change the PotC rides elsewhere.
 
davis_unoxx

davis_unoxx

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insert name here said:
It seems like Captain Jack's implementation into the Paris attraction will overall be different than how it is stateside. I think I heard that he is only going to appear in two scenes. For this reason I doubt that they are going to change the PotC rides elsewhere.
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They're also renaming their "Blue Lagoon" in ride restaurant, to "Captain Jack's Restaurant" Nice job Disney! Even more creative than Guardians of the Galaxy: Mission Breakout!
 
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FigmentJedi

FigmentJedi

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insert name here said:
It seems like Captain Jack's implementation into the Paris attraction will overall be different than how it is stateside. I think I heard that he is only going to appear in two scenes. For this reason I doubt that they are going to change the PotC rides elsewhere.
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Which is because of how differently Paris is structured. No "Pirate shootout in the armory", just an explosion that sends you to the Skeleton Caves at the end of the ride.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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whylightbulb said:
You are not alone in your assessment of this ride. The group I rode with stated they would be willing to wait in a three or four hour line to experience it again. I am more than dumbfounded at the overall response but that of course doesn't make anyone wrong regarding their opinion. That being said, I as a designer of visitor attractions always look for specific reasons for audience reactions to any given ride or show. This one astounds me because I cannot pinpoint what makes this special in any way. With the exception of the beautiful video and media quality this was not much different than BTF/Simpsons in 3D. For me though there was nothing interesting in terms of the content either so that was the final nail in the coffin.

I am one that believes strongly that technology alone does not account for the success of an attraction but is merely a tool to deliver the experience. This is one of the reasons I'm not a fan of Test Track, Mission Space, and most of the other recent additions to WDW in the past twenty years. FOP reads to me like merely a technology upgrade from Soaring with little substance. There was no emotional connection to any character or to the environment itself. As nice as the queue is it left me emotionally cold and I didn't care what happened on the screen during the ride. More importantly, I didn't even feel like I was flying but more that I was hunched forward on an uncomfortable chair looking at a screen. I compare that to how I can let myself go and suspend disbelief when riding Star Tours where the 3D adds to the realism, the motion is effective, the music is exhilarating (it's not really fair comparing John Williams' Star Wars music I know but it is a factor), and there are other show elements incorporated like animatronics. What does this ride add to the lineup of WDW attractions that hasn't been done before?

The answer to that question can be subjective in many ways and that is what is frustrating me as a designer for the first time in my career. Obviously FOP is offering a lot of people something new that I just didn't see on my first ride. I intend to ride it again and give it another chance.
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Don't discount the delivery of thrills/high intensity while in the desert of it. One bit maybe delivering just that right balance of accessibility without overdoing the intensity
 
tirian

tirian

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The Empress Lilly said:
I don't think the DLP Pirate redo has got anything to do with PC.

DLP has been bought by TWDC, which is a barbaric corporation out to destroy everything that makes a Disney park Disney. DLP, which has been spared so much of the infantilisation and IP-fication of the US parks, is now seeing the conversion of Discoveryland into Sorta Star Wars Land, of the Backlot into Marvel Land, hot on the heels of Pixar Land for the Toon Studios (soon coming in two parts to EPCOT and DHS), and now the conversion of Pirates of the Caribbean into the mostly unrelated but similarly named Pirates of the Caribbean.

We may come to think of 2016/17 as the height of DLP. Fully restored and cleaned up, but largely before the wholesale destruction.
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Wow. This is unfortunately a good assessment of the situation in Paris. On one hand, the park will finally be well maintained, and that has only returned to the American parks within the last few years. On the other hand, DLP will also suffer from the dumbing down of American culture.
 
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RandySavage

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The Empress Lilly said:
We may come to think of 2016/17 as the height of DLP. Fully restored and cleaned up, but largely before the wholesale destruction.
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Not to split hairs but 1995 was, by far, the pinnacle of DLP. 2016/17 doesn't touch 1995 by a country mile.

In 1995, themes were still strong and intact across all lands (i.e., no Buzz/Toy Story in Discoveryland, no Frozen area/show in Frontierland), features/details which have since been stripped away were still there (e.g., wooden planks on Indy), upkeep and operations were near opening day levels, trees were growing in, SQS trumped Ops, the Era of Neglect had yet to begin and the Park's last and only fully new attraction in the 22 years since - an unbelievable thought - had just opened in its best version: From the Earth to the Moon.
 
Phil12

Phil12

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David2319 said:
Ever heard of Peter Pan, Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, Cinderella, The Little Mermaid???

How about the Matterhorn? If something is in the public domain that would be it.:hilarious:
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Let me see if I can help you understand. You see, Peter Pan, Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, Cinderella, The Little Mermaid and all the other Disney animated films are jealously protected by copyright. Disney has tremendous control over their animated characters. They keep them locked away and only allow them out for a few meet and greats. If they even try to appear in public without Disney's express permission, the lawyers make them suffer hugely! So Disney has a lock on them.

Same is true with Captain Jack. Disney paid Ted Elliott and Terry Russio big bucks to create Captain Jack Sparrow and Disney owns the character 100%. Disney also paid J. Depp big bucks to portray the character in the movies and Disney owns those as well. Depp is not allowed to go out and freelance the character.

With Long John Silver, he's in the public domain and Robert Newton was not under a long term contract with Disney. Treasure Island was a one time deal. Newton was free to portray the character (and other pirates) as often as he wished. And Newton played both Long John Silver and Blackbeard in other non-Disney productions. It would be financially unsound to use the Long John Silver character in PoC.

When Fess Parker got fed up with Disney he quit and then became Daniel Boone on a successful TV series.

As for the Matterhorn, Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) works for Universal.
 
tirian

tirian

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Phil12 said:
Let me see if I can help you understand. You see, Peter Pan, Sleeping Beauty, Snow White, Cinderella, The Little Mermaid and all the other Disney animated films are jealously protected by copyright. Disney has tremendous control over their animated characters. They keep them locked away and only allow them out for a few meet and greats. If they even try to appear in public without Disney's express permission, the lawyers make them suffer hugely! So Disney has a lock on them.

Same is true with Captain Jack. Disney paid Ted Elliott and Terry Russio big bucks to create Captain Jack Sparrow and Disney owns the character 100%. Disney also paid J. Depp big bucks to portray the character in the movies and Disney owns those as well. Depp is not allowed to go out and freelance the character.

With Long John Silver, he's in the public domain and Robert Newton was not under a long term contract with Disney. Treasure Island was a one time deal. Newton was free to portray the character (and other pirates) as often as he wished. And Newton played both Long John Silver and Blackbeard in other non-Disney productions. It would be financially unsound to use the Long John Silver character in PoC.

When Fess Parker got fed up with Disney he quit and then became Daniel Boone on a successful TV series.

As for the Matterhorn, Dwayne Johnson (The Rock) works for Universal.
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Every character you listed is now in the public domain, except that Barrie gifted Peter Pan's film and play rights to a hospital. The Disney versions of those characters are jealously guarded, but the Broadway version of PP premiered the year after Disney's movie, and Rodger and Hammerstein's Cinderella aired on TV years after the Disney version. Obviously, Disney did not have a lock on those public domain characters.

Treasure Island wasn't included in POTC because Treasure Island didn't take place in the Caribbean cities. It wouldn't have made sense to include Long John Silver in an attraction that starts in the bayous of Louisiana and goes back in time the Spanish Main.

Walt didn't feel compelled to shove IPs into all his attractions, which is why the animated characters were largely concentrated in FL for years. He was also confident enough in his Imagineers to create new IPs specifically for the parks, from the Tiki Room to Pirates, HM to the original plans for Space Mt. Those are every bit as "Disney" as Mickey Mouse.

Also, the Rock is starring in Disney's Jungle Cruise movie, and even bragging how he'll be added to the ride like Johnny Depp was included in Pirates.
 
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FigmentJedi

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the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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Phil12

Phil12

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tirian said:
Every character you listed is now in the public domain, except that Barrie gifted Peter Pan's film and play rights to an orphanage. The Disney versions of those characters are jealously guarded, but the Broadway version of PP premiered the year after Disney's movie, and Rodger and Hammerstein's Cinderella aired on TV years after the Disney version. Obviously, Disney did not have a lock on those public domain characters.

Treasure Island wasn't included in POTC because Treasure Island didn't take place in the Caribbean. It wouldn't have made sense to include Long John Silver in an attraction that starts in the bayous of Louisiana and goes back in time the Spanish Main.

Walt didn't feel compelled to shove IPs into all his attractions, which is why the animated characters were largely concentrated in FL for years. He was also confident enough in his Imagineers to create new IPs specifically for the parks, from the Tiki Room to Pirates, HM to the original plans for Space Mt. Those are every bit as "Disney" as Mickey Mouse.

Also, the Rock is starring in Disney's Jungle Cruise movie, and even bragging how he'll be added to the ride like Johnny Depp was included in Pirates.
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You apparently missed the part about "animated characters". Of course they have no lock on any public domain character, nor did I ever imply such.

Your geography is off. Treasure Island is in fact an island off the coast of “Spanish America”. That includes the Caribbean. Had Robert Newton not reprized his role as Long John Silver in non-Disney productions, it's very possible that PoTC might have used his portrayal.

Walt would have been more than pleased to "shove IP" into any and all of his attractions. After all, Walt was the IP King which was proven by getting sponsors to pay for all the attractions he build for the 1964 New York World's Fair. And let's not forget that the Tiki Room, Space Mountain and many others had sponsors as well. Walt was more than happy to take sponsor money and build them anything they wanted! The old Disneyland TV show was nothing but an advertisement for Disneyland. Walt was a great salesman!

I hope that the new Jungle Cruise movie is a big hit and that The Rock has a prominent role in the new and improved attraction! However, if it's a flop, The Rock will be looking for his namesake to crawl under and Disney will put that film in the same vault with Brother Bear and the CBJ movie (and the CBJ attraction).
 

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