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jakeman

jakeman

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HMF said:
You really don't understand the difference between Disney's former greatness and other everyday "Products''?
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The secret that Disney doesn't want you to figure out is they are actually just another everyday "product" and they always have been. They are an entertainment commodity and nothing more.
 
Kman101

Kman101

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The_Jobu said:
I'm not sure he understands anything other than "complain about Ford"
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So you enjoy the repetitive rhetoric that invades every thread?

And you're doing what you're getting on jakeman about. I'm sure you'll probably take this the wrong way and that's not my intention but if you don't like it, block him. Or ignore it? We get it, you think he's harassing ford. But you're now no better by harassing him.
 
NearTheEars

NearTheEars

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Kman101 said:
So you enjoy the repetitive rhetoric that invades every thread?

And you're doing what you're getting on jakeman about. I'm sure you'll probably take this the wrong way and that's not my intention but if you don't like it, block him. Or ignore it? We get it, you think he's harassing ford. But you're now no better by harassing him.
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Blocking can be useful, but I've found that you still end up aggravated by them because you know exactly who people are responding to in each and every thread.
 
Prince-1

Prince-1

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jakeman said:
What a strange addiction to be so thoroughly disgusted with a product you've not purchased it on two years yet are compelled to post about it perceived shortcomings, both very real and very fabricated.

Are there other products that have drawn your ire to this degree? Dish soaps? Break pads? A particularly offensive brand of lettuce perhaps?
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Freakin' Bibb!!
 
Little Green Men

Little Green Men

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ford91exploder said:
There are these things called 'video recordings' allow you to see things without physically being there. Also there is this thing called the 'internet' where information is posted to be read by others...

No I have not been in posession of admission media for close to two years now, Let's see at the current price of my old premier pass (good for WDW and DL) I've saved almost 2,500 bucks... Soon to be 4,000 saved
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You know as well as I that videos can't possibly capture the same effect as actually being there. The reviews from the land have been majorly positive, even by tough critics.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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ford91exploder said:
Never fear there will be lots of MAGICal Screens instead.


Never said ride was not enjoyable but with 31 or more screens on the river ride the double standard shown by Disney fanbois is quite amusing. As at UNI screens are the spawn of Satan. And yet Pandora's two rides are screen based and it's MAGICal
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MerlinTheGoat said:
31? Where'd you get that figure? The quantity is in the single digits, only about 5 by my count, and not very large screens either. If you want to stretch it to 6, there is one area with some very small frog shadow silhouettes behind physical leaves over the boats (the leaves also move with the silhouettes).

Around 95% of the ride is comprised of very detailed and quality physical sets. The ride unquestionably needed more animatronics (and more length, my primary complaint), but it is NOT wall-to-wall video screens like Toy Story Mania. Navi River has a far higher ratio of physical sets to screens than even Gringotts or Kong. I'm not defending screens, even if they are well executed in Navi River (as far as screens go, still not my thing and i'm an AA person all the way). But they are honestly a rather insignificant chunk of the ride.

Flight of Passage didn't really impress me. I don't technically dislike simulators, but I don't consider them valid substitutes for an actual ride (would prefer the third attraction they cut). It's a very good and enjoyable simulator, and I might ride if I can snag a fastpass. But not the amazing earth shattering experience some were claiming. I wasn't hyped and expected a good simulator, that expectation was met pretty much exactly. Navi River was far more special to me IMO. It's no Splash Mountain or Spaceship Earth and absolutely has flaws, but within its own scope it did remind me of that old classic Disney "magic" (quality) I find so rare in newer attractions.
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I haven't actually been on the ride, but my understanding is that some of the screens are semi-transparent and you actually see through them to another screen with physical sets mixed in as well. This allows them to make the screen based animals and scenes seem more three dimensional and lifelike. That may be the reason why the technical "screen count" is higher but on the ride it only seems like 5 or 6 scenes with screens....or the 31 screens is just fake news;)

Either way the ride is not what most people would consider screen based. There are plenty of physical sets. A screen based ride is a simulator that puts you in front of a screen and uses the screens to simulate motion (star Tours) or at least most of the action on the ride is on screens (TSMM). Riding an actual boat through physical sets with screens mixed in is not in my opinion a screen based ride.
 
ChiGuy4Now

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There are other screens in NRJ that must be part of that count of 31. There's even a waterfall about halfway through that consists of rockwork, a screen for the cascading water and then practical bubbling water at the bottom of the fall. It's extremely convincing! Regardless, I'm #teamnosimulators and I think NRJ is so underrated! Short, yes, but it's GORGEOUS!!
 
MerlinTheGoat

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I didn't know that waterfall was a projection effect at all. If true, it fooled me (though i'm also starting to need a new pair of glasses lol). That scene is lovely, and the waterfall blends into the physical scenery seamlessly. Though i'd classify that as digital mapping used to enhance existing physical scenery, and I AM a fan of a lot of those types of projections. Not exactly the same as the screens in Toy Story Mania, Gringotts and Kong.

I'm not complaining or anything, but I wonder the reason for not using a real waterfall. Again looks great, but I would think a projector would be a lot more expensive and maintenance heavy than a small fountain pump...

IF that 31 projection count is accurate, a good chunk must be digital mapping. Such as the final scene's reflections of water ripples on the cave walls. I'm 100% satisfied with this type of projection effect when executed properly, really isn't like Toy Story Mania where the entire room is just a flat surface with a video. This cave is already a physical environment, I liken this kind of digital mapping more to a type of show lighting. They've added similar projection mapping effects to a lot of classic Disneyland rides recently which look fantastic.

Surface projection mapping is something that has actually been used almost forever by Disney in this manner to complement and enhance physical scenery. The tech has advanced since, but many older classics had similar types of effects in abundance. The original Imagination for instance had TONS of projection mapping applied to physical scenery or backdrops.
 
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The_Jobu

The_Jobu

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Kman101 said:
So you enjoy the repetitive rhetoric that invades every thread?

And you're doing what you're getting on jakeman about. I'm sure you'll probably take this the wrong way and that's not my intention but if you don't like it, block him. Or ignore it? We get it, you think he's harassing ford. But you're now no better by harassing him.
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Biggest difference? I just said it to him once, not every single time he posts something.
 
Daveeeeed

Daveeeeed

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ford91exploder said:
My issue is with the double standard WRT screen usage

Nav'i river ride is a well executed ride that uses lots of screens the count from the insiders is 31 but as you say only 6 can be identified as such which is a testament to the designers who made them 'invisible'

FoP just another simulator ride. Imagine it done Sum of All Thrills style with a kuka arm providing the motion, You could even guide your Banshee...

Yes a low capacity ride at best, i'm tired of 'good enough for tourists' mindset seen at WDW. Today the Safari would never get the green light. Everest would have never been considered

Im sick of the mindset which throws a single AA at an attraction and calls it done. Buzz, Bug, TSMM, now NRJ

Its really obvious that Disney is now creatively bankrupt.
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First of all, the only Universal park in Orlando with the screen issue is Universal Studios Park. Islands of Adventure does not suffer from this therefor Kong actually doesn't feel tired like the repetition of Universal Studios Park.

Secondly, Flight of Passage is (censored)ing epic. The best ride from Disney in Orlando since Kilimanjaro Safaris hands down.
It is not just another simulator. I have ridden FoP and as someone who is not paid by Disney I am hear to tell you that it is a spectacular ride that blew my expectations for a simulator through the roof. I had no Earthly idea a simulator could be that good. I'm that guy that always waits extra time for B1 on soarin', and the immersion is waaaay better than the best position of Soarin'.

People including me were consciously cheering mid ride. It was just such a realistic and exhilarating experience you just smile the whole time. It takes a minute to feel beyond immersed, but because the pacing is so damn perfect it eases you into it being YOU are actually flying on a Banshee. When you realize that mid-ride it's such a neat experience.

The queue is better than anything in Orlando (though Potter is very close).

Pandora is beyond immersive and you CANNOT judge a single thing without experiencing it in person. You just can't. I don't care how much someone distrusts Disney's practices, Pandora is a home run with story, immersion, and even placement, and Flight of Passage is more than likely the best simulator on Earth. NA'VI River Journey is merely a complement. A good one at that, but instead of it being like Peter Pan (short and sparsely themed), it is themed like an E-ticket but short.

I respect your opinion even when I don't agree with it, but to judge something you haven't experienced... why?
 
the.dreamfinder

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@thatsjustgary drops some Mario Kart concept art.
Concept #art & more. #SuperNintendoWorld's #MarioKart - 'bringing a new level of interactivity for rider and guest alike.' #UniversalStudios https://twitter.com/thatsjustgary/status/875947141050630144/photo/1
https://twitter.com/thatsjustgary/status/875947141050630144
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