A Spirited Valentine ...

[ford91exploder]

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After Starbucks:
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It's definitely much more organized now and capable of handling larger crowds when ordering. The downside is losing the indoor seating. Overall, it looks pretty classy and fits in fine still. The Starbucks signs outside aren't too intrusive either IMHO.

No question that Starbucks is well done aesthetically, it's the loss of the unique Disney treats on Main St. The stores in the other parks are a huge upgrade.

 

[rael ramone]

The Starbucks looks great..I love that there is better coffee I really do, but it is sad we had to lose the bakery to do this. No, the cinnamon Rolls are completely different and probably baked offsite...The other offerings are gone too, replaced with Starbucks frozen mass produced stuff we can buy anywhere USA.... So Great to have good coffee, and really sad to lose something that was sort of iconic and part of the fabric of Main Street... They could have put Starbucks into the old Cinema and Gift Shop next door to the Candy Store... making one side of Main Street gift items, and one side food options...

I don't believe that I've ever stepped into a Starbucks in my life , but I suspect that the 'frozen mass produced stuff we can buy anywhere USA' is part of the Starbucks BRAND. Also, as far as the swamps go, by far the most iconic place to put Corporate Burned Beverage would be in the Main St. Bakery. I suspect if an alternate location was offered, it would have been refused.

And yes, little good things add to the collective good, taking away those things reduce it. Little things (like the old time baseball arcade game that ran on dimes) can be part of what you look forward to on a trip.

 

[ford91exploder]

I don't believe that I've ever stepped into a Starbucks in my life , but I suspect that the 'frozen mass produced stuff we can buy anywhere USA' is part of the Starbucks BRAND. Also, as far as the swamps go, by far the most iconic place to put Corporate Burned Beverage would be in the Main St. Bakery. I suspect if an alternate location was offered, it would have been refused.

And yes, little good things add to the collective good, taking away those things reduce it. Little things (like the old time baseball arcade game that ran on dimes) can be part of what you look forward to on a trip.

Exactly it was always the little hidden gems which made a trip to WDW so enjoyable without them why bother going any longer.

 

[The_Jobu]

Go to Toronto for several examples of a Starbucks on every corner. There is one intersection with one at each corner

If it's not a Starbucks it's a Timmy's or a Shopper's.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Can someone explain to me why Frozen doesn't fit in Norway at Epcot? I'm absolutely no Frozen expert, but doesn't the movie take place in Norway?

Setting is not theme.

 

[peter11435]

Setting is not theme.

Most people really don't understand this.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

But it was Iger who put 'Sunglass Hut' and Havianas and Starbucks in the parks. Pressler only Dreamed about doing that.

I know Starbucks was a popular addition but i would have preferred it as an additional option not a wholesale replacement for 'The Bakery' the cinnamon buns and other items were treats you could have ONLY at WDW and are another piece of the WDW experience chipped away, The Starbucks treats you can have anywhere.

The departed Cinnamon Buns were something I looked forward to eating at WDW. Take them away and i had one less reason to visit WDW.

These are all very good examples, but by the time Iger came in, Eisner and Pressler laid most of the groundwork for the "mall-ification" that we still see today. Aside from what you mention, all Iger had to do was let it stagnate and define tourists' priorities.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

Speaking of opening day rides.....We were on the Jungle Cruise last Friday, and the entire Rhino was missing from the 'expedition members trapped up the pole' scene. Sort of made sense with several hyenas off to one side. Guess the rhino broke down?

If it were up to people like us, the ride wouldn't run unless all show scenes were in perfect working order. But given the reality of the parks, I guess no Rhino is better than a dead rhino.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

This looks like it could be a little longer than Frozen Fever (that was about 7 minutes long). I'm just happy that they've included St. Lucia.

Someone made an interesting point in the YouTube comments (something I wasn't sure I'd ever say, tbh). This would be the first non-Pixar short before a Pixar film, unless Pixar will also have a short film immediately before Coco.

Given the supposed length of this short, I doubt most audiences will want to sit through another before the main feature.

 

[Princess Leia]

Given the supposed length of this short, I doubt most audiences will want to sit through another before the main feature.

It's a bit of a shame, because I think Pixar's short films are masterful (especially Piper). While I'm sure that this short will be cute and feature an excellent song or two, it just doesn't sit right with me that it's going before a Disney/Pixar film, instead of a Disney feature. I think the other Frozen short was paired with Cinderella?

There's a cynical part of me that thinks that Disney doesn't want their audiences to go over 2 years without something Frozen-related (2013- Frozen, 2015- Frozen Fever, 2017- Olaf's Frozen Adventure, 2019- Frozen 2).

 

[Princess Leia]

http://ew.com/movies/2017/06/13/olafs-frozen-adventure-john-lasseter-exclusive/
"Initially announced as an ABC television special, Olaf’s Frozen Adventure was bumped up to theatrical run status after Lasseter and the filmmakers decided it was too cinematic to not inhabit the big screen (to wit, it’ll now run in 3-D). Moreover, as an apt thematic match for Coco, Pixar’s upcoming Nov. 22 release about a boy uncovering his own family’s traditions on Día de Muertos, the opportunity was clear as ice crystal, and the result will be Pixar’s first movie to feature a lead-in from Walt Disney Animation Studios. (Cool your comment fingers: Yes, on the flip side, there indeed have been plenty of Pixar shorts that ran before WDAS films)."

Um...

So, were they talking about Muppets Most Wanted? Because that wasn't from the Animation Studio, but it's the only non-Pixar film on the lists.

Second- if it was originally planned as a TV special, how long is this thing?? The Toy Story specials ran between 21 & 22 minutes, so that might be a comparison point.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

http://ew.com/movies/2017/06/13/olafs-frozen-adventure-john-lasseter-exclusive/
"Initially announced as an ABC television special, Olaf’s Frozen Adventure was bumped up to theatrical run status after Lasseter and the filmmakers decided it was too cinematic to not inhabit the big screen (to wit, it’ll now run in 3-D). Moreover, as an apt thematic match for Coco, Pixar’s upcoming Nov. 22 release about a boy uncovering his own family’s traditions on Día de Muertos, the opportunity was clear as ice crystal, and the result will be Pixar’s first movie to feature a lead-in from Walt Disney Animation Studios. (Cool your comment fingers: Yes, on the flip side, there indeed have been plenty of Pixar shorts that ran before WDAS films)."

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So, were they talking about Muppets Most Wanted? Because that wasn't from the Animation Studio, but it's the only non-Pixar film on the lists.

Second- if it was originally planned as a TV special, how long is this thing?? The Toy Story specials ran between 21 & 22 minutes, so that might be a comparison point.

It's 21 minutes long.

 

[Haymarket2008]

Can someone explain to me why Frozen doesn't fit in Norway at Epcot? I'm absolutely no Frozen expert, but doesn't the movie take place in Norway?

Frozen officially doesn't take place in Norway. Arendelle is a fictional place BASED on Scandinavian folklore (predominantly Norwegian). All they needed to do was just say it was Norway and at least some of the criticism would have been squashed. They have openly stated that almost all of their research and development was in Norway. But it is treated, in Epcot, as a Norwegian fairy tale.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Frozen officially doesn't take place in Norway. Arendelle is a fictional place BASED on Scandinavian folklore (predominantly Norwegian). All they needed to do was just say it was Norway and at least some of the criticism would have been squashed. They have openly stated that almost all of their research and development was in Norway. But it is treated, in Epcot, as a Norwegian fairy tale.

Setting is not theme.

 

[Haymarket2008]

Setting is not theme.

Never said it was.

 

[Bairstow]

They have openly stated that almost all of their research and development was in Norway. But it is treated, in Epcot, as a Norwegian fairy tale.

Only after the Epcot ride was announced.
Almost all of the Norway-centric "making of" literature was generated retroactively.

 

[MinnieWaffles]

The Starbucks looks great..I love that there is better coffee I really do, but it is sad we had to lose the bakery to do this. No, the cinnamon Rolls are completely different and probably baked offsite...The other offerings are gone too, replaced with Starbucks frozen mass produced stuff we can buy anywhere USA.... So Great to have good coffee, and really sad to lose something that was sort of iconic and part of the fabric of Main Street... They could have put Starbucks into the old Cinema and Gift Shop next door to the Candy Store... making one side of Main Street gift items, and one side food options...

The baked goods from the bakery were always shipped in from offsite, not baked onsite. They'd need a ride building size bakery to bake enough for a day's demand of pastries.

 

[Christian Fronckowiak]

This looks like it could be a little longer than Frozen Fever (that was about 7 minutes long). I'm just happy that they've included St. Lucia.

Someone made an interesting point in the YouTube comments (something I wasn't sure I'd ever say, tbh). This would be the first non-Pixar short before a Pixar film, unless Pixar will also have a short film immediately before Coco.

Wasn't Olaf's Frozen Adventure a rumored title for Frozen Ever After years ago?

 

[EricsBiscuit]

I think Frozen was a great fit for Norway because tourism to Norway has soared after Frozen. Which is the whole reason King whoever it was backed the pavilion. Also, the theming in the queue and ride itself are both fantastic. Detail after detail. It is a much better ride than Maelstrom. I just think they should've built a new ride system because who knows how much longer this one will last. Maybe they'll do that down the road in a huge refurb.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ng-tourism-as-it-is-overwhelmed-thanks-to-fr/

 

[Donaldfan1934]

http://ew.com/movies/2017/06/13/olafs-frozen-adventure-john-lasseter-exclusive/
"Initially announced as an ABC television special, Olaf’s Frozen Adventure was bumped up to theatrical run status after Lasseter and the filmmakers decided it was too cinematic to not inhabit the big screen (to wit, it’ll now run in 3-D). Moreover, as an apt thematic match for Coco, Pixar’s upcoming Nov. 22 release about a boy uncovering his own family’s traditions on Día de Muertos, the opportunity was clear as ice crystal, and the result will be Pixar’s first movie to feature a lead-in from Walt Disney Animation Studios. (Cool your comment fingers: Yes, on the flip side, there indeed have been plenty of Pixar shorts that ran before WDAS films)."

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So, were they talking about Muppets Most Wanted? Because that wasn't from the Animation Studio, but it's the only non-Pixar film on the lists.

Second- if it was originally planned as a TV special, how long is this thing?? The Toy Story specials ran between 21 & 22 minutes, so that might be a comparison point.

Yeah, I definitely got the vibe of a Christmas special from the trailer. Because of the circumstances, my guess would be that the short short will be about 22 minutes long. Think of this like how Disney debuted Mickey's Christmas Carol with a re-release of the Rescuers or how they paired the Prince and the Pauper with the initial release of the Rescuers Down Under. I'm strongly assuming that Disney chose to do this with Olaf's Frozen Adventure because they weren't completely confident in selling a film about Día de los Muertos to the general public in the U.S. and Canada so they needed something highly marketable to get those butts in seats.