A Spirited Valentine ...

[RandySavage]

Applying the shape of the Paris castle, two arching lines converging at the top of the tallest spire, will overwhelm the space because the space isn't meant to hold such a dramatic sharply pointed form.

Following your converging lines thought, I'd argue current SB spire convergence is far too low to have the best impact on the current space. Maybe at some point, someone can photoshop Paris castle into HK from the same distance and vantage point. I don't its size will overwhelm HK in the slightest (Paris' is physically a smaller castle than it looks to be). Taller, more soaring castles were conceptualized for this park in the beginning. In the end, SB was chosen for nostalgia/tribute and cost-savings.

Your thoughts on Mystic Manor being taller and grander than the current castle?

 

[csmat99]

The best part is I only need one package which I can then use at my other homes. I no longer have to pay Comcast or Altice for my other homes. That saves lots of money and I no longer have to support comcast and their terrible service.

Yeah being from Philly I know all to well about Comcast crappy service. First thing I did when I moved out of parents and into my own place was get directv. but many years later they got taken over my another evil empire ATT.

 

[csmat99]

This thread has gone to crap per usual

Come on this thread went to crap about 100 pages ago. You need to go to Spirit's new thread if you want a good one.

 

[xdan0920]

not sure why you are using terms kids. They are young adults. And travel is just one part. Sports can be in their lives I didn't say it couldn't be but the way they consume it and want to consume it is not how ESPN delivers it.

Let me ask you a question. Are you part of the generation that just thinks a company like Kodak would never get wiped out and cease to exist? Or better yet do you think a company like Mcd's will always be around? In this day and age things change so quickly if you don't have you hand on the pulse of your consumer you will but gone before you know it. Especially if you're a public company at the mercy of the stockholders.

Kids = Millenials in this context.

I'm 35. So, no, Kodak barely registers for me. I know companies can disappear at the drop of a hat. That's not what's happening here. Espn is changing.

What do you want Disney to do? Build a time machine and pay less for broadcast rights? Because that's the only solution that works immediately. Outside of that, it's going to be a chore to turn this ship around, but they are doing it.

Anyways...

You said this....

They want real life experiences not just watching rich people play a game.

They want real life experiences. Which I guess doesn't include watching sports. That's fake life! They want real stuff. I asked what the heck you were talking about. You said they like to travel. The generation living home with mom and dad longer and longer, and being poorer and poorer is choosing travel so much, that sports becomes an after thought. Okie doke.

 

[csmat99]

Kids = Millenials in this context.

I'm 35. So, no, Kodak barely registers for me. I know companies can disappear at the drop of a hat. That's not what's happening here. Espn is changing.

What do you want Disney to do? Build a time machine and pay less for broadcast rights? Because that's the only solution that works immediately. Outside of that, it's going to be a chore to turn this ship around, but they are doing it.

Anyways...

You said this....


They want real life experiences. Which I guess doesn't include watching sports. That's fake life! They want real stuff. I asked what the heck you were talking about. You said they like to travel. The generation living home with mom and dad longer and longer, and being poorer and poorer is choosing travel so much, that sports becomes an after thought. Okie doke.

I would not put watching a bunch of overpaid people playing sports for a living while the billionaire owners get rich a real life experience. I personally like watching sports but I'm not one of those people that my life depends on how my team does. I understand it's become a business so we will no longer have the special thing like when USA beat Soviet Union in hockey with bunch of young snot nose kids playing for their love of country. We don't have 4 year senior stars battling it out in March madness anymore. We don't have football players risking their bodies playing for the joy of the game while having to work a truck route over the summer to put food on the table for their family. No going to Rome and seeing the Pietà at St. Peter's is a real life experience. Watching the birth of your child is a real life experience.

How is ESPN changing? you have not given one thing they have done that shows they are changing?

 

[jakeman]

I would not put watching a bunch of overpaid people playing sports for a living while the billionaire owners get rich a real life experience. I personally like watching sports but I'm not one of those people that my life depends on how my team does. I understand it's become a business so we will no longer have the special thing like when USA beat Soviet Union in hockey with bunch of young snot nose kids playing for their love of country. We don't have 4 year senior stars battling it out in March madness anymore. We don't have football players risking their bodies playing for the joy of the game while having to work a truck route over the summer to put food on the table for their family. No going to Rome and seeing the Pietà at St. Peter's is a real life experience. Watching the birth of your child is a real life experience.

How is ESPN changing? you have not given one thing they have done that shows they are changing?

I'll be sure to tell my wife that watching the Tigers play baseball with her dying father wasn't a real life experience. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[spacemt354]

The younger generation doesn't care about sports as much. They want real life experiences not just watching rich people play a game.

A real life experience is going to a baseball game, or a soccer game, or any other sporting event. I don't think that age is gone, but rather -- getting more expensive to do on a regular basis.

Parking, traffic, and food -- plus the actual tickets -- the cost runs up pretty quick. But that still doesn't mean it's not enjoyable to this generation, and isn't a real-life experience.

 

[spacemt354]

I would not put watching a bunch of overpaid people playing sports for a living while the billionaire owners get rich a real life experience. I personally like watching sports but I'm not one of those people that my life depends on how my team does. I understand it's become a business so we will no longer have the special thing like when USA beat Soviet Union in hockey with bunch of young snot nose kids playing for their love of country. We don't have 4 year senior stars battling it out in March madness anymore. We don't have football players risking their bodies playing for the joy of the game while having to work a truck route over the summer to put food on the table for their family. No going to Rome and seeing the Pietà at St. Peter's is a real life experience. Watching the birth of your child is a real life experience.

How is ESPN changing? you have not given one thing they have done that shows they are changing?

Your avatar is of Joel Embiid who has played 31/246 games over the last 3 years all while getting paid $14+ Million over that span where he didn't play. Why would you advertise that type of player if you're so against the overpaid players?

And how is going to see St. Peter's a real life experience but going to Wrigley Field to see the Cubs play is not?

 

[csmat99]

I'll be sure to tell my wife that watching the Tigers play baseball with her dying father wasn't a real life experience. Thanks for clarifying.

It wasn't watching sports that made it the experience. It was sharing an experience with a dying relative. I'm sorry for her father's condition. But as you also know the generation of her father who probably was same as my father was it was all about baseball for them. They grew up watching baseball when it was america's game and pastime. My generation got the very very tail end of that. But things changed when money and FA got involved and teams holding their towns hostage for a new stadium. I enjoy baseball game but to be honest if Phillies aren't playing in WS I'm not watching it as much as I used to. I much rather be in Key West watching a sunset then watching Cubs play regardless of how long it's been for them. One of reasons why? Because the coverage of baseball is horrible. The delays and the commercials make it impossible to enjoy unless it's your hometown team. I don't want to know all the stats that some kids out of MIT compiled for the announcer to spit out or show on screen. The great announcers like Harry Kalas and Vin scully are gone. The radio announcers that voices were so smooth that they could read the tax code book and make it appealing are no longer around.

And we were talking about the current young adults and why they normally aren't making sports a priority in their lives.

 

[jakeman]

It wasn't watching sports that made it the experience. It was sharing an experience with a dying relative. I'm sorry for her father's condition. But as you also know the generation of her father who probably was same as my father was it was all about baseball for them. They grew up watching baseball when it was america's game and pastime. My generation got the very very tail end of that. But things changed when money and FA got involved and teams holding their towns hostage for a new stadium. I enjoy baseball game but to be honest if Phillies aren't playing in WS I'm not watching it as much as I used to. I much rather be in Key West watching a sunset then watching Cubs play regardless of how long it's been for them. One of reasons why? Because the coverage of baseball is horrible. The delays and the commercials make it impossible to enjoy unless it's your hometown team. I don't want to know all the stats that some kids out of MIT compiled for the announcer to spit out or show on screen. The great announcers like Harry Kalas and Vin scully are gone. The radio announcers that voices were so smooth that they could read the tax code book and make it appealing are no longer around.

And we were talking about the current young adults and why they normally aren't making sports a priority in their lives.

Thank you for that analysis. I will relay that not only are those memories not valid, they are diminished by aspects they didn't care about when the game was on.

Would you like me to request she remove one of the last photos of her and her father that was taken at the stadium from her Facebook profile? You know since it's tainted and not a damned sunset on a beach.

 

[csmat99]

Your avatar is of Joel Embiid who has played 31/246 games over the last 3 years all while getting paid $14+ Million over that span where he didn't play. Why would you advertise that type of player if your so against the overpaid players?

And how is going seeing St. Peter's a real life experience but going to Wrigley Field to see the Cubs play is not?

There's a difference between overpaid meaning no athlete should be getting paid 30 million dollars a year to play a sport versus a teacher who can barely make 35k and is risk getting laid off because of budget cuts versus player getting paid what he is worth compared to his peers and what owners make. I never said I was against players getting paid. Hey if someone is going to give you that million dollar check go fo it. But I can say as a whole it's troubling that our society has put such an importance on that industry while complaining about providing affordable health care to those who need it. I mean how many times does a city give a NFL team 350 millions dollars toward a stadium when they won't see a penny of it back but that same city has to cut services that affect the poor?

And why I have Embiid has my avatar? Because when he does play he plays at 110% and will throw himself in the stands to win a game. He wants to win no matter the cost. Those are the athletes I can support with my time and money. Versus Arod who had to take drugs to cheat the system and wouldn't bust his butt down the first base line running out a ground ball.

 

[xdan0920]

There's a difference between overpaid meaning no athlete should be getting paid 30 million dollars a year to play a sport versus a teacher who can barely make 35k and is risk getting laid off because of budget cuts versus player getting paid what he is worth compared to his peers and what owners make. I never said I was against players getting paid. Hey if someone is going to give you that million dollar check go fo it. But I can say as a whole it's troubling that our society has put such an importance on that industry while complaining about providing affordable health care to those who need it. I mean how many times does a city give a NFL team 350 millions dollars toward a stadium when they won't see a penny of it back but that same city has to cut services that affect the poor?

And why I have Embiid has my avatar? Because when he does play he plays at 110% and will throw himself in the stands to win a game. He wants to win no matter the cost. Those are the athletes I can support with my time and money. Versus Arod who had to take drugs to cheat the system and wouldn't bust his butt down the first base line running out a ground ball.

You've lost the plot friend.

I'm going to step away from this conversation and let you dig your own grave as deep as you'd like.

 

[csmat99]

Thank you for that analysis. I will relay that not only are those memories not valid, they are diminished by aspects they didn't care about when the game was on.

Would you like me to request she remove one of the last photos of her and her father that was taken at the stadium from her Facebook profile? You know since it's tainted and not a damned sunset on a beach.

I never said those memories aren't valid. You seem to have a comprehension problem. I'm saying that for her father baseball was important part of his life like it was for my father and his connection with me. Once again this whole thing started about the young kids and what they think is important to them. They don't care about baseball like our father's generation or ours did. As far as my comment about sunset that was my personal preference compared to watching a sporting event that doesn't involve my team. Never said anything about her experience. So stop putting words in my mouth or in this case on the page.

 

[csmat99]

You've lost the plot friend.

I'm going to step away from this conversation and let you dig your own grave as deep as you'd like.

Not digging my own grave but it is funny you still haven't given me one thing ESPN has done to change?

 

[spacemt354]

There's a difference between overpaid meaning no athlete should be getting paid 30 million dollars a year to play a sport versus a teacher who can barely make 35k and is risk getting laid off because of budget cuts versus player getting paid what he is worth compared to his peers and what owners make. I never said I was against players getting paid. Hey if someone is going to give you that million dollar check go fo it. But I can say as a whole it's troubling that our society has put such an importance on that industry while complaining about providing affordable health care to those who need it. I mean how many times does a city give a NFL team 350 millions dollars toward a stadium when they won't see a penny of it back but that same city has to cut services that affect the poor?

And why I have Embiid has my avatar? Because when he does play he plays at 110% and will throw himself in the stands to win a game. He wants to win no matter the cost. Those are the athletes I can support with my time and money. Versus Arod who had to take drugs to cheat the system and wouldn't bust his butt down the first base line running out a ground ball.

I'm not saying I don't agree with the premise (since we live in a family of teachers and understand those hardships) but you're arguing two elements that aren't connected.

Free agency -- if a team has a 100 Million salary cap, and a player that they want is out there, and they have 30 Million to spend, well -- that's why they get paid that much. There is also the shared TV revenue which bumped the NBA salary cap up last year, allowing team to pay players more. I'm sure you can thank ESPN for that
http://deadspin.com/what-the-nbas-insane-new-tv-deal-means-for-the-league-a-1642926274

And looking at A-Rod and making a blanket statement about all overpaid players is absurd. There are people like that in every walk of life. That doesn't take away from the Mike Trouts, and the Derek Jeters, and more who get paid but are also good role models as well.

And we were talking about the current young adults and why they normally aren't making sports a priority in their lives.

Sports in the new generation is not as dead as you think.

Maybe they aren't watching every game of the 162 game baseball season, but they are in Little League, travel leagues, AAU leagues from early ages all throughout high school. Sports themselves are still meaningful. Why are so many pitchers having Tommy John surgery now? It's because they're throwing curveballs at age 9 and playing in 3 different leagues in the summers. Now that's not really a positive, but it goes to the point that many in this new generation still care about sports.

 

[jakeman]

I never said those memories aren't valid. You seem to have a comprehension problem. I'm saying that for her father baseball was important part of his life like it was for my father and his connection with me. Once again this whole thing started about the young kids and what they think is important to them. They don't care about baseball like our father's generation or ours did. As far as my comment about sunset that was my personal preference compared to watching a sporting event that doesn't involve my team. Never said anything about her experience. So stop putting words in my mouth or in this case on the page.

Your words:

I would not put watching a bunch of overpaid people playing sports for a living while the billionaire owners get rich a real life experience.

It wasn't watching sports that made it the experience.

I didn't put any words in your mouth. You declared that attending a baseball game isn't a "real life experience". I provided a very real example of it being a real life and emotional experience and you further denigrated it by attempting to separate the time together from the fact that it was a baseball game, as you have any right to pontificate about a relationship you know nothing about.

You can have the last word, because I'm done discussing this with you.

 

[The_Jobu]

You get brain damage from watching sports?

Depends how bad your team's doing.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Well, apparently I'm doing something wrong, then, because my kids love watching pro sports, and also playing sports. Or maybe it's just that I refuse to let them grow up like the millions of other millennial lemmings and want them to have a clue about "real life". Not the typical drivel, like, "Look at me! I'm in Rome, look at that old building!" or "I'm watching soccer, aren't I cool???" [Side note: We need a "sick" or "throwing up" emoji]

 

[HauntedPirate]

Your words:

I didn't put any words in your mouth. You declared that attending a baseball game isn't a "real life experience". I provided a very real example of it being a real life and emotional experience and you further denigrated it by attempting to separate the time together from the fact that it was a baseball game, as you have any right to pontificate about a relationship you know nothing about.

You can have the last word, because I'm done discussing this with you.

I cannot "Like" this post enough. Well said.

 

[ford91exploder]

ESPN is letting go of quality reporters that are on the books and may very well stay on the books (decreasing the value of the product offered) to appease The Street (specifically, the short term 'stockrenters' - not the long term holders).

Parallels can be made to how $DIS has operated WDW....

With the worst class of 'stockrenters' being the HFT guys who add absolutely NOTHING to the market, But by virtue of being a few hundred feet closer to a telecom hotel they can take advantages of the trades before the rest of the market sees them, Once again proving the need for commonsense regulation in this case that all trades have a fixed 'latency' so just because you are closer to the issuing institution it does not give an undue advantage.