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xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
Well, you still have not backed up your original statement, but I assume you won't be. Kids want real things, not sports. What the f does that even mean. Anyway....
I'll pick up here. So some NFL markets had trouble selling tickets? That's been happening for decades. Meanwhile ratings for sports like, let's say, Soccer, have grown exponentially. Also, attendance for MLS is crazy high. So, how does that jive with the idea that the youts don't like sports?
If your argument is that the delivery system for live sports has to change, then I guess you're right. But you are also overlooking the fact that it's already changing. So, I guess ESPN and their peers are ahead of you. Which is surprising, since you are a random anonymous internet guy, and they are running multinational sports empires.
mickeyfan5534
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Out of the big four in the US
Football, HATE! Basketball, meh. Baseball, I'll watch an inning or two if there's nothing else on.
Hockey's really the only sport I enjoy watching. Games are relatively short, it's actually fun to watch, traditions and rules somewhat make sense, and it's not really taken as seriously by it's fans as the other three are. Also, I've never seen a hockey player be a competitor for worst person on the planet unlike the other three.
csmat99
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How is ESPN changing? They don't stream their events to everyone. You must have their channel on a cable package and on top of that their are still restrictions on what events are streamed. There are ton of articles out there about people that don't even want to buy ESPN directly especially at price point they would need to be at. They don't have programming that is worth 15-20 bucks a month. Netflix has millions of hours of shows and movies that people want. NBA games I can just buy their package directly from them and do. MLB same thing. Monday night football on ESPN must be shown by over the air channel in it's local market for the teams playing so i'm good there. I don't need ESPN. I don't like any of their talking heads. I don't care.
I have answered your question. Traveling is a real thing that young people are doing more and more of. Yes soccer has grown but it had to because US was the only place in the world that it's not the most popular sport. But even if MLS continues to grow they won't be delivering it by ESPN. The model will most likely be directly to consumers or via streaming via Amazon, twitter or verizon.
xdan0920
Think for yourselfer
So, kids.....travel....instead of watching sports? That's your contention?
I actually do stream ESPN to my Sprint Cell phone. I subscribe to FIOS and get many channels via streaming.
the.dreamfinder
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By scale, I am referring to how other elements of the park are designed around the park in relation to the castle. Consider the heights of Splash and Big Thunder mountain to Cinderella Castle at MK and TDL. Though neither attraction is in FL, they are designed to be weinnies for their lands, but are deferential to the castle. HKDL is modeled after Disneyland's intimate scale. Attractions like SM and BGMRR were designed to conform to this scale.
Then there's the issue of context. DLP's castle is not a solitary item, but informed by its surroundings. From the Main Street approach to the size of the hub, the castle exists in harmony with them to make the impact it has. Now with HK's new castle, nothing is being changed, aside from a new castle stage, to accommodate this new castle. The Main St modeled on Anaheim's, the hub, and the castle courtyard will be changed. Applying the shape of the Paris castle, two arching lines converging at the top of the tallest spire, will overwhelm the space because the space isn't meant to hold such a dramatic sharply pointed form.
Additionally, if the hills are a problem for the castle, then why would you build Arrendale with its fake ones? It is that much closer to the mountains.
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csmat99
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Correct you have to have a package like Comcast, directv and FIOS. You don't stream directly from ESPN.
HMF
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I knew about Baseball before I knew about football. The fundamental problem I have with all sports and modern life in general is the dog-eat-dog nature and the divisiveness it causes. Never mind the fact that the players are grossly over-compensated while people who do the real work that keeps society flourishing (Scientists, Teachers etc.) struggle to make ends meet, On top of that the players are treated like easily disposable pawns and are replaced easily, Plus the owners are either individual billionaires or a faceless group of businessmen who don't disclose their identities and people plan their lives and worldview around whether a sports team is winning or not and it is treated as actual news because as we all know whether my team is winning or losing is much more important than tens of millions of people losing health care. Sports is literally a reflection of everything I don't like about society.
csmat99
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not sure why you are using terms kids. They are young adults. And travel is just one part. Sports can be in their lives I didn't say it couldn't be but the way they consume it and want to consume it is not how ESPN delivers it.
Let me ask you a question. Are you part of the generation that just thinks a company like Kodak would never get wiped out and cease to exist? Or better yet do you think a company like Mcd's will always be around? In this day and age things change so quickly if you don't have you hand on the pulse of your consumer you will but gone before you know it. Especially if you're a public company at the mercy of the stockholders.
Is someone really saying that Americans want to watch soccer? Absolutely not true.
Kids very much still want to play sports, and watch them too. The reason attendance is going down across ALL major sports is because it has become stupid expensive to go to a game. Not for lack of interest and not because people would "prefer to travel".
Sports are a way of American life, more than any other nation. Not to mention that sports and athletics are incredible developmental tools for children.
Kids very much still want to play sports, and watch them too. The reason attendance is going down across ALL major sports is because it has become stupid expensive to go to a game. Not for lack of interest and not because people would "prefer to travel".
Sports are a way of American life, more than any other nation. Not to mention that sports and athletics are incredible developmental tools for children.
FigmentForver96
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This thread has gone to crap per usual
jakeman
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#thanksESPN
csmat99
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The point isn't about if people like sports. It's about how they value their time and money with regards to sports. Like you said going to a game is very expensive and time it takes to go to a game takes a big chunk of the limited time you have. The issue with regards to ESPN is no one really wants to be forced to pay for something they don't even watch. There is so much content out there for consumers to consume but ESPN is sitting on a house of cards. The only thing keeping them afloat are these huge contracts for NFL, NBA and college football. But that gravy train is done. Why do you think NFL signed streaming deal with Amazon for thursday games?
Another small nugget. Goodell was livid ESPN cut people like Ed Warner and others like him covering NFL(right before draft). NFL wants to protect their brand and have their product delivered by top notch talent. Not some young pretty face or by someone just looking at making a hot take.
truecoat
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Not surprising since I can get all I need from sports on my phone without having to watch a couple idiots yuck it up.
You do know that you are talking with a millennial, right? Might as well be a brick wall.
The best part is I only need one package which I can then use at my other homes. I no longer have to pay Comcast or Altice for my other homes. That saves lots of money and I no longer have to support comcast and their terrible service.