A Spirited Perfect Ten

[Goofyernmost]

Not again....

There were engineering drawings. Not cartoon art.

Again engineering drawings are not finalized and of course it is an engineering drawing, they are all considered engineers, hence... Imagineers. Engineering drawings would also contain measurements and complete dimensions, not just a picture of what it might look like when finished.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Again engineering drawings are not finalized and of course it is an engineering drawing, they are all considered engineers, hence... Imagineers. Engineering drawings would also contain measurements and complete dimensions, not just a picture of what it might look like when finished.

Absolutely not. Engineer is a legally protected profession and engineer drawings are something specific. Being an Imagineering had absolutely nothing to do with having the credentials of being an engineer. There nothing true at all in what you are spouting off. Roller coasters don't just get whipped together so that there can be multiple layouts chosen from.

 

[marni1971]

Engineering drawings would also contain measurements and complete dimensions, not just a picture of what it might look like when finished.

Which is what they did contain. I'm not talking about a cartoon piece of concept art.

This horse is well and truly flogged. Believe what you want.

 

[VJ]

the problem is, WDW management knows that they attract a huge bulk of "one timers" from countries from LatinAmerica o.. let's say.. UK.
They never seen WDW on its top form, so for the management its easy to cut and cut and cut more.. because they will be coming.. as they (the new one timers) will not have a comparative of the degradation the parks suffered.

I think that's the mentality that made the Disneyland of the late 90s/early 2000s decline in quality so much. Then all the accidents and lawsuits happened and by 2004 or 2005 they turned around. Seems that exact situation is happening to WDW, sadly, but it makes me wonder what will jolt Disney enough to reverse it like what happened with Disneyland.

 

[ford91exploder]

Absolutely not. Engineer is a legally protected profession and engineer drawings are something specific. Being an Imagineering had absolutely nothing to do with having the credentials of being an engineer. There nothing true at all in what you are spouting off. Roller coasters don't just get whipped together so that there can be multiple layouts chosen from.

For a coaster you need a PE to sign off and STAMP that drawing.

 

[Cesar R M]

Not again....

There were engineering drawings. Not cartoon art.

Thank you!

 

[Cesar R M]

The key word in that is "proposed" plans. They have many, not just one. The artwork seen is the concept art used to illustrate the individual proposed plan. It isn't a final plan or even necessarily close to being one. It is one of many to compare and decide on. It quite possibly was never even considered, as is, but, was just designed by someone on the team that was assigned to the project.

Nothing that big is ever decided based on only one plan. That is the point I am trying to make. All have been saying that they cut that plan in favor of a cheaper design. That may or may not be true, but, it wasn't approved and then cut later. It never really saw the light of day. Of that I think common sense and knowledge of decision making could indeed logically make clear. Theoretically, it might be said that there was a plan presented that was a ride bigger then MK itself. They didn't cut it, they just didn't use it. Big difference.

you're moving goalposts now.

 

[ford91exploder]

Which is what they did contain. I'm not talking about a cartoon piece of concept art.

This horse is well and truly flogged. Believe what you want.

The apologists attitude is precisely what allows Disney to get away with slashing and burning rides like 7DMT which if any of the ORIGINAL plans had been used it would have been an E-ticket attraction, But no WDW re-scoped the ride into a C-ticket.

 

[rael ramone]

If it's good, nothing. This is everything wrong with the way WDW has been run in recent years. This is the executive mentality that has a hard ceiling that WDW was/is fast approaching.

With proper investment - attendance rises, hotel occupancy goes up, guest spending rates in park are driven by new unique merch or dining opportunities. A proper investment pays for itself.

If you invest properly guests will come and spend accordingly, without the need to nickel and dime by raising prices across the board.

I can imagine someone telling the above to the 'Strategic Planning' gang and getting a 'deer in the headlight' look from them....

But I believe that disappointments in other areas of $DIS will pressure them to aggressively look to expand margins in the parks...

 

[ford91exploder]

I can imagine someone telling the above to the 'Strategic Planning' gang and getting a 'deer in the headlight' look from them....

But I believe that disappointments in other areas of $DIS will pressure them to aggressively look to expand margins in the parks...

Yup and HOW that is done will either be incredibly GOOD for the guest or incredibly BAD for the guest experience.

 

[AEfx]

Exactly - this was never a 'Thrill' ride this was a ride in a mine car which just happens to sway slightly (you need it to so you can empty it at the end) but the longer track and additional show scenes would have made it an E-ticket

Current version lacks re-rideability. at the end you think 'is that all there is' so it's not satisfying to ride either and the fact that its sized for the average asian does not help.

Pretty much spot on. Personally, though, for me, I'm betting that the amount of R&D on the "sway" nonsense could have easily paid for an additional show scene or three, I'm sure. The only saving grace as a fan of SWSA was that they have a real witch AA - however, given where she is positioned, I wonder how long she will have in the world until she has a "B-mode" or something. Just too exposed IMO for long term durability.

But yes, 7DMT could have easily been an E-ticket with a few more show scenes and even a slightly longer track - just like, as much as I actually like how TLM turned out, if they had done the original concept of a two-tiered ride it would have been far more impressive.

 

[ford91exploder]

Pretty much spot on. Personally, though, for me, I'm betting that the amount of R&D on the "sway" nonsense could have easily paid for an additional show scene or three, I'm sure. The only saving grace as a fan of SWSA was that they have a real witch AA - however, given where she is positioned, I wonder how long she will have in the world until she has a "B-mode" or something. Just too exposed IMO for long term durability.

But yes, 7DMT could have easily been an E-ticket with a few more show scenes and even a slightly longer track - just like, as much as I actually like how TLM turned out, if they had done the original concept of a two-tiered ride it would have been far more impressive.

TLM was obviously the victim of an in-situ budget and scope cut, Look at the amazing queue and the detail that went into the rockwork and theming, Then the actual ride had plastic fish on sticks, and plywood cutouts and the lighting allowed you to see the building structure. I suspect TLM could have also been an E-ticket had Disney shot the lock of their wallet.

 

[Mike S]

TLM was obviously the victim of an in-situ budget and scope cut, Look at the amazing queue and the detail that went into the rockwork and theming, Then the actual ride had plastic fish on sticks, and plywood cutouts and the lighting allowed you to see the building structure. I suspect TLM could have also been an E-ticket had Disney shot the lock of their wallet.

Like this?

 

[lazyboy97o]

TLM was obviously the victim of an in-situ budget and scope cut, Look at the amazing queue and the detail that went into the rockwork and theming, Then the actual ride had plastic fish on sticks, and plywood cutouts and the lighting allowed you to see the building structure. I suspect TLM could have also been an E-ticket had Disney shot the lock of their wallet.

All together The Little Mermaid (California) has eaten through $150 million. It's budget was wasted, not cut.

 

[Nubs70]

Absolutely not. Engineer is a legally protected profession and engineer drawings are something specific. Being an Imagineering had absolutely nothing to do with having the credentials of being an engineer. There nothing true at all in what you are spouting off. Roller coasters don't just get whipped together so that there can be multiple layouts chosen from.

How many years of being an Imagineer in Training do I need before I can sit for my Professional Imagineer examination?

 

[ford91exploder]

All together The Little Mermaid (California) has eaten through $150 million. It's budget was wasted, not cut.

Keep wondering if WDI is the department TWDC launders money through to keep taxes low because they are so expensive relative to other similar operations

 

[Cesar R M]

How many years of being an Imagineer in Training do I need before I can sit for my Professional Imagineer examination?

you have to be armchair imagineer for 5 years at least

 

[brb1006]

A bit derivative from a story standpoint (Toys anyone) but the ride concept seems amazing if only DISNEY would build amazing rides and AA's at WDW

I remember being amazed when I seen videos of the Pooh's Honey Hunt ride at Tokyo Disneyland where the attraction is trackless.

 

[brb1006]

I think they could literally get away with anything. I personally don’t fault them for it but Universal’s parks are never that thematically cohesive anyway. Maybe that's changing but their appeal to me has more just been their great rides and occasionally (ahem but not usually) great environments.

So how does Seuss Landing and Woody Woodpecker kid's zone hold up?

 

[brb1006]

Love this photo.

Looks like Disney will have to change the opening date from spring 2016 to 2017.