A Spirited Perfect Ten

Animaniac93-98

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Self-fulfilling prophecies are easy for large, slow-moving corporations to fall into. You can quote figures on growing female comic book movie attendence or product petitions all day long, but it's so much easier to just do the same thing over and over again.

Kinda like just making more Elsa dolls, instead of replenishing stock on the BH6 ones too...

EDIT: We're not talking about adding Eilonwy to the Disney Princess line, this is about one of the main characters of a multi-billion dollar franchise being absent on most related products because Disney has a pre-set agenda that basically comes down to "no girls allowed". Market forces mean little without options. The best thing people interested in this can do now is buy up what merch there is and let the manufacturers know they want more.
 
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Phil12

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Man who the hell gets up in the middle of the night or even makes them on the six month date. If you want beast castle sure but every other restaurant I can usually make a month out. Which is not atypical for major city dining.

Hell I have one in Chicago that even the best hotels cannot get you in and we have to book months out.
Back about 2002, Howie's Angels (members of The Breakfast Club) were calling all hours of the day and night to reserve spots months in advance for Cindy's Royal Table. Things haven't changed too much.
 

1023

Provocateur, Rancanteur, Plaisanter, du Jour
But Tom would...



It's not the same, but it's similar.


Good Find! Wouldn't a new "Wonderful World of Disney" be a great way to promote the company again. Maybe we have our front man. Hatbox Ghost life-model (Uncle Bob to me) would probably not be capable of a weekly show commitment.

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Mike S

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BAM!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/monikab...ney-spent-15-billion-to-limit-their-audience/
Disney Spent $15 Billion To Limit Their Audience

Over the last decade, Disney has spent $15 billion to recapture the market they once had a stranglehold on: children. Purchasing Pixar, Marvel, and Lucasfilm allowed the company to acquire a massive mix of current popular entertainment and fervent parental nostalgia, and control the dominating forces of franchise entertainment. The empire has been rebuilt, but can it last when it continues to gender divide children and limit their audience?

When Disney bought these companies, they bought thousands of characters, from Buzz Lightyear to Luke Skywalker to Iron Man, and control over massive Hollywood franchises. Marvel has years of potential blockbuster content mapped out, and even more live action television shows from Agents of SHIELD to the upcoming Iron Fist. Though Star Wars’ prequels are reviled, the Force is brewing again with a new trilogy and a whole series of films and off-shoots.

All eyes are set to the future — so much so that Avengers: Age of Ultron barely reached screens before attention turned to Captain America: Civil Warbut practices are staunchly set in the past and willfully blind to the realities of the present.

The arrival of the first Avengers movie marketed “Be a Hero” to boys and “I Need a Hero” to girls, while completely exempting Black Widow from certain merchandise. Disney’s already pushing products for the upcoming Star Wars films, but are excluding Princess Leia from action figures, and popular characters from its Star Wars: Rebels line. Gamora, likewise, was deleted from Guardians of the Galaxy products. With Age of Ultron, Black Widow is not only removed from myriad team shots and merchandise, but from her very own scenes. Instead of marketing Black Widow on her motorcycle, Hasbro offers Captain America and Iron Man.

avengers-age-of-ultron-black-widow.jpg

Black Widow in Avengers: Age of Ultron

What was once implicit is now explicit. Instead of pondering the reasoning behind creative decisions that fail to include women, fans are greeted with flagrant disinterest in the diversity these franchises already have and the money they could make from them. According to a former Marvel employee quoting her supervisor, the company’s desired demographic has no girls because “that’s not why Disney bought us. They already have the girls’ market on lockdown.” The piece goes on to explain, “Disney bought Marvel and Lucasfilm because they wanted to access the male market. To achieve this goal, they allocate less to Marvel’s female demo, and even less to a unisex one.”

Disney spent a staggering $15 billion to expand its hold on the market, only to actively narrow it, limiting their reach and angering the consumers they should be serving: almost half of the 24 million people who identify as comic fans on Facebook are female, and women make up 52% of moviegoers. These empires rely on a certain amount of good faith that diversification is on the way to serve the changing demographics of consumers — faith that’s instantly destroyed by attitudes that trump gender division over basic business sense.

Now everyone from casual consumers to celebrities starring in these vehicles publicly criticize the removal of female characters from official merchandise. Mark Ruffalo lamented the lack of Black Widow merchandise available for his daughters and nieces, while Clark Gregg linked to a petition for Black Widow to be added to a pack of Avengers action figures. This week, Colin Hanks shared a story about making his daughter a Star Wars fan for May 4, only to take her to a toy store where light sabers were only available in the boys’ section, and the only available Leia toy was “Slave Leia,” with a chain hanging from her neck.

There are, of course, many companies involved in these franchises, from Disney, to subsidiaries like Marvel, to the toy companies like Hasbro, to the toy stores that categorize and stock the merchandise. It’s a messy system that allows blame to be scattered and ultimately ignored. But the ultimate responsibilities lay with the owners of the brand and the plans they have for them. If Disney wanted to embrace the diverse fandom these franchises and characters have, they’d push for all of their consumers to be well-served. But at the very least, as a business interested in making money, they’d insist that their products accurately depict the brands they’re selling, and not let old-school gender division hurt the bottom line and anger their audience.

In 2011, Brand Driven Digital published a pieceon eight innovation lessons we can learn from Walt Disney and his life. They include “turn convention on its head,” “diversify,” “keep moving forward,” and finally, “nothing matters more than the community you serve.” Modern Disney is doing the opposite. They are clinging desperately to an old marketing system that doesn’t reflect today’s numbers, while removing fan favorites from their product lines and angering the very community they’re supposed to serve.

With each new creative step, their subsidiaries’ creative content stresses diversity, from the new cast of Star Wars, to the development of a Captain Marvel movie, to the next wave of Avengers. But if they’re not prepared to offer their customers the most basic service — products that reflect the ideas and heroes on-screen — their $15 billion trek to supremacy could become $15 billion trek to destruction.
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Next Big Thing

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Good Find! Wouldn't a new "Wonderful World of Disney" be a great way to promote the company again. Maybe we have our front man. Hatbox Ghost life-model (Uncle Bob to me) would probably not be capable of a weekly show commitment.

*1023*
Considering Disney owns Maker Studios now (and have for over a year), promoting what they want to a young audience and do it in a cool way with those signed to Maker Studios is pretty easy and they don't have to spend the money to start full on TV show that will probably be watched by less in the key demographic anyway. Just some of the content/personalities signed to Maker are Epic Rap Battles of History, Snoop Dogg, ShayCarl (Founder), PewDiePie, Kevin Smith, Timothy DeLaGhetto and KassemG.

Shay Carl is actually producing two web series' for the America's Funniest Home Videos YouTube Channel, so there's some synergy for you even in the smallest of ways. Recently though Disney took the Youtube Space LA to help promote The Muppets' new show coming this fall:



 

WDW1974

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Original Poster
So ... let's see what I missed today ... lots of back and forth between someone who has never had a less than MAGICal experience at WDW ever (boy, that is akin to winning the PowerBall!!!) and those of us who live in the real world. By the way, what a smart thing: never leave a park at closing to avoid transport hassles. I'm sure 99% of Guests want to linger in a closed park instead of using the 'convenient Disney transportation' that they are paying for.

We have had talk about Marvel (i.e Dsney) ignoring women ... well, duh, Disney bought Marvel first and foremost to try and regain all the males it had lost by making Disney an all-princessy BRAND that only appealed to girls, their mommies, some creepy Lifestylers and a small amount of gay fanbois. Is segmenting your audience really smart? Just look at what's left of The Disney-MGM Studios where you may have 3-4 attractions that can be enjoyed by the entire family (only one an actual ride or two if you include Star Tours) to see that Disney doesn't care about offering products that appeal to many demos at the same time.

I have had another very crappy week, involving hospitals, doctors and insurance companies, so I will give Disney's ABC network kudos for offering me some much-needed laughter tonight. The Goldbergs is mildly amusing with some nice sentimentality from the 80s. But the still strong Modern Family (which had a California Adventure subplot tonight that never wound up there) and the consistently funny as he ll Blackish are good for one solid hour of shutting the crappy world off.

Speaking of TV, one west coast friend says ''Iger's ego'' is the only reason Agent Carter ''and to a lesser extent" SHIELD were renewed for next season. Don't tell that to the Hillbilly.

Anyone here want to start giving odds on whether Disney will be allowed to release pics of Bob, Tom and Chappie (maybe Mickey and Minnie too!) at Shanghai Disneyland's site next week? C'mon, y'all know it is perfectly normal for a CEO like The Weatherman to never be seen in what he describes as Disney's most important P&R development of the 21st century.
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
BAM!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/monikab...ney-spent-15-billion-to-limit-their-audience/
Disney Spent $15 Billion To Limit Their Audience

Over the last decade, Disney has spent $15 billion to recapture the market they once had a stranglehold on: children. Purchasing Pixar, Marvel, and Lucasfilm allowed the company to acquire a massive mix of current popular entertainment and fervent parental nostalgia, and control the dominating forces of franchise entertainment. The empire has been rebuilt, but can it last when it continues to gender divide children and limit their audience?

When Disney bought these companies, they bought thousands of characters, from Buzz Lightyear to Luke Skywalker to Iron Man, and control over massive Hollywood franchises. Marvel has years of potential blockbuster content mapped out, and even more live action television shows from Agents of SHIELD to the upcoming Iron Fist. Though Star Wars’ prequels are reviled, the Force is brewing again with a new trilogy and a whole series of films and off-shoots.

All eyes are set to the future — so much so that Avengers: Age of Ultron barely reached screens before attention turned to Captain America: Civil Warbut practices are staunchly set in the past and willfully blind to the realities of the present.

The arrival of the first Avengers movie marketed “Be a Hero” to boys and “I Need a Hero” to girls, while completely exempting Black Widow from certain merchandise. Disney’s already pushing products for the upcoming Star Wars films, but are excluding Princess Leia from action figures, and popular characters from its Star Wars: Rebels line. Gamora, likewise, was deleted from Guardians of the Galaxy products. With Age of Ultron, Black Widow is not only removed from myriad team shots and merchandise, but from her very own scenes. Instead of marketing Black Widow on her motorcycle, Hasbro offers Captain America and Iron Man.

avengers-age-of-ultron-black-widow.jpg

Black Widow in Avengers: Age of Ultron

What was once implicit is now explicit. Instead of pondering the reasoning behind creative decisions that fail to include women, fans are greeted with flagrant disinterest in the diversity these franchises already have and the money they could make from them. According to a former Marvel employee quoting her supervisor, the company’s desired demographic has no girls because “that’s not why Disney bought us. They already have the girls’ market on lockdown.” The piece goes on to explain, “Disney bought Marvel and Lucasfilm because they wanted to access the male market. To achieve this goal, they allocate less to Marvel’s female demo, and even less to a unisex one.”

Disney spent a staggering $15 billion to expand its hold on the market, only to actively narrow it, limiting their reach and angering the consumers they should be serving: almost half of the 24 million people who identify as comic fans on Facebook are female, and women make up 52% of moviegoers. These empires rely on a certain amount of good faith that diversification is on the way to serve the changing demographics of consumers — faith that’s instantly destroyed by attitudes that trump gender division over basic business sense.

Now everyone from casual consumers to celebrities starring in these vehicles publicly criticize the removal of female characters from official merchandise. Mark Ruffalo lamented the lack of Black Widow merchandise available for his daughters and nieces, while Clark Gregg linked to a petition for Black Widow to be added to a pack of Avengers action figures. This week, Colin Hanks shared a story about making his daughter a Star Wars fan for May 4, only to take her to a toy store where light sabers were only available in the boys’ section, and the only available Leia toy was “Slave Leia,” with a chain hanging from her neck.

There are, of course, many companies involved in these franchises, from Disney, to subsidiaries like Marvel, to the toy companies like Hasbro, to the toy stores that categorize and stock the merchandise. It’s a messy system that allows blame to be scattered and ultimately ignored. But the ultimate responsibilities lay with the owners of the brand and the plans they have for them. If Disney wanted to embrace the diverse fandom these franchises and characters have, they’d push for all of their consumers to be well-served. But at the very least, as a business interested in making money, they’d insist that their products accurately depict the brands they’re selling, and not let old-school gender division hurt the bottom line and anger their audience.

In 2011, Brand Driven Digital published a pieceon eight innovation lessons we can learn from Walt Disney and his life. They include “turn convention on its head,” “diversify,” “keep moving forward,” and finally, “nothing matters more than the community you serve.” Modern Disney is doing the opposite. They are clinging desperately to an old marketing system that doesn’t reflect today’s numbers, while removing fan favorites from their product lines and angering the very community they’re supposed to serve.

With each new creative step, their subsidiaries’ creative content stresses diversity, from the new cast of Star Wars, to the development of a Captain Marvel movie, to the next wave of Avengers. But if they’re not prepared to offer their customers the most basic service — products that reflect the ideas and heroes on-screen — their $15 billion trek to supremacy could become $15 billion trek to destruction.

Aquisitions dont mean a damn thing if the culture doesn't change.

You need to do things for the right reason, in any context. You do them because they need doing. FOr example: Basic household chorse. You do them because you have to and its the right thing to do. Nobody wants to take out the trash or clean out the shed or do yard work but we have to. And 9 out of 10 times, its the right thing to do.

This is what the "Disney is a Business" (sorry @Cesar R M ) people miss and Wall street misses as a whole. Its what WDW management completely misses, which is horrid for a guest service company: Doing things because they're the right thing to do.

Yes, buying Pixar, the Muppets, Lucasfilm were all the right things to do. But they left in charge a culture that seems to have a scorched earth philosophy. Before long, theyre going to find themselves in the same place because they haven't changed their bad habits.

They need to do the right thing ethically more often then not. They need to reintroduce ethics into their business equation.


(And if you feel you need to debate me on this, you can end up like Spider over there)
 

PhotoDave219

Well-Known Member
So ... let's see what I missed today ... lots of back and forth between someone who has never had a less than MAGICal experience at WDW ever (boy, that is akin to winning the PowerBall!!!) and those of us who live in the real world. By the way, what a smart thing: never leave a park at closing to avoid transport hassles. I'm sure 99% of Guests want to linger in a closed park instead of using the 'convenient Disney transportation' that they are paying for.

We have had talk about Marvel (i.e Dsney) ignoring women ... well, duh, Disney bought Marvel first and foremost to try and regain all the males it had lost by making Disney an all-princessy BRAND that only appealed to girls, their mommies, some creepy Lifestylers and a small amount of gay fanbois. Is segmenting your audience really smart? Just look at what's left of The Disney-MGM Studios where you may have 3-4 attractions that can be enjoyed by the entire family (only one an actual ride or two if you include Star Tours) to see that Disney doesn't care about offering products that appeal to many demos at the same time.

I have had another very crappy week, involving hospitals, doctors and insurance companies, so I will give Disney's ABC network kudos for offering me some much-needed laughter tonight. The Goldbergs is mildly amusing with some nice sentimentality from the 80s. But the still strong Modern Family (which had a California Adventure subplot tonight that never wound up there) and the consistently funny as he ll Blackish are good for one solid hour of shutting the crappy world off.

Speaking of TV, one west coast friend says ''Iger's ego'' is the only reason Agent Carter ''and to a lesser extent" SHIELD were renewed for next season. Don't tell that to the Hillbilly.

Anyone here want to start giving odds on whether Disney will be allowed to release pics of Bob, Tom and Chappie (maybe Mickey and Minnie too!) at Shanghai Disneyland's site next week? C'mon, y'all know it is perfectly normal for a CEO like The Weatherman to never be seen in what he describes as Disney's most important P&R development of the 21st century.

Sorry to hear about all the real life crap going down. There is no greater evil then the insurance companies in America.
 

WDW1974

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Original Poster
Someone else's ego is the reason that Galavant got renewed. Hint: It's Alan Menken.

Galavant was actually very, very good. Dumb fun ... almost as if you had a neutered Mel Brooks type of deal. still, I found in funny as he ll. But was surprised to see it back.

And I'll take Menken's ego over Iger's anytime. One is a creative genius ... the other is Willow Bay's husband and simply another very overcompensated exec.

Right now, I'm thinking a musical resume might be entertaining ...
 

1023

Provocateur, Rancanteur, Plaisanter, du Jour
Considering Disney owns Maker Studios now (and have for over a year), promoting what they want to a young audience and do it in a cool way with those signed to Maker Studios is pretty easy and they don't have to spend the money to start full on TV show that will probably be watched by less in the key demographic anyway. Just some of the content/personalities signed to Maker are Epic Rap Battles of History, Snoop Dogg, ShayCarl (Founder), PewDiePie, Kevin Smith, Timothy DeLaGhetto and KassemG.

Shay Carl is actually producing two web series' for the America's Funniest Home Videos YouTube Channel, so there's some synergy for you even in the smallest of ways. Recently though Disney took the Youtube Space LA to help promote The Muppets' new show coming this fall:





While that information and stunning barrage of youtube clips support your statement (and I think are cool), I think we are talking about differing goals. Please allow me to clarify. I wasn't speaking to appealing to a younger generation or to how they can market themselves on the internet. I was pointing out that a reboot of a wide (in terms of demographics) reaching TV show dedicated to showcasing the parks while presenting platinum classics might be a good thing on a Sunday. After all, it's how Walt promoted the park in the first place. Disney loves "rebooting" things and Steve Jobs reminded us that having a "product slinging" CEO is pretty effective. I can almost hear Tom saying, "This is the Na'avi guided boat tour where visitors from all across the globe can experience the ecology of another planet and learn valuable ways to preserve our own."

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WDW1974

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Did you stay at the poly during construction? Poly was proactive recovery (many things were done without the guests asking for it), Monorails were reactive (done if it caused a problem for the guest). I happen to know that rooms were reclassified as Standard when previously they would have received a premium for location/view. Effectively reducing the rate during construction. Also, Poly was given many promotional discounts as well as Water Park tickets because the themed pool was down. The quiet pool was still available and access to neighboring themed pools was available. Not as convenient, sure, but guests were informed online prior to making reservations, through multiple emails after reservations were made, and guests that had reservations before the refurb was announced were contacted and given recovery.

Regarding the monorail, downtimes were advertised as soon as the teams knew when it was happening. Downtimes are restricted to mid-week, during the middle of the day when the lowest volume of guests use it. Both monorails are not down at the same time, so if the express isn't working, then the resort one is. Downtimes are suspended during peak weeks like spring break, Easter, and summer. If it was shut down completely for as long as it would take to update, people would complain that it isn't available at all. Every major technology asset has to be taken out of service for a time, and Disney tries to be the least impactful as possible and help guests who are impacted.

I still think you are going far too easy on Disney. in the real world, hotels/resorts that are under massive renovation usually shutter (and Disney has closed resorts before, so it could easily have done so here). If they don't, then they usually offer 'construction specials' to begin with. They don't charge $400-800 a night for hotel rooms in the midst of massive construction that closes most of the lobby, the main feature pool and the QSR.

I won't argue that Disney made people aware to some extent of what was going on AFTER they booked. And I am sure they moved people who requested it post-booking. But people not very familiar with the Poly or even WDW as a whole may not have understood just what they were getting themselves into until they were there.

I recall riding with a family who had been on the Fantasy with Angie and myself who were getting dropped off at WDW after the cruise and they took them to the Poly before taking us to our resort (yes, I had a problem with that, but it's another tale). All I could think was 'do these poor folks (not in the financial sense!) know what they are in for?'

I'll also give Disney credit for generally dealing with these situations well after the Guests arrive IF they complain and complain loud enough. I once had a very bad experience at the YC when it was allowed to fall into utter decay around 2001-02 and when I sat down with the on-duty manager, he admitted that most of my concerns (his word, not mine) were fair, but that he couldn't do anything about them as they spoke to neglect, business and the fact the hotel was getting a major renovation within 12-18 months, so they were just ignoring things (my word, not his).

At this point, I told him that he'd have to come up with a better Guest Recovery option than to express his sincere apologies that my visit was less than MAGICal. After 15 minutes in the back, he returned and told me he could move me to either the BW or Grand Flo for the same $169 a night AP rate with one free night for my trouble. I took the GF and moved there. They had issues there as well, but I just let those go and realized that WDW resorts weren't what they once were.

But you have to be firm and demanding and not accept small tokens or apologies or that is all you'll get.
 
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