A Spirited Perfect Ten

[PhotoDave219]

That's why I don't "get" steakhouses. If you know how to cook beef, there's nothing complicated in replicating the quality and flavor for much lower cost. I am unable to replicate a scallop risotto dish, however, so I'm more likely to go with something along those lines for my fine dining selections (as rare as those are).

Regardless, filet is too lean for me. I'll cook a bone-in New York strip as my go-to. Olive oil, salt, and pepper over charcoal same as you. Garlic salt if I'm feeling crazy.

I prefer a ribeye or a nice strip. I need the fat for flavor.

Now those publix steaks? Too thin for me, has to be 2-2 1/2 a side for medium rare. Unless its the good ones you get from the Meat Counter in Celebration.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Based on the department of labor inflation calculator 60 in 1994 Has the same buying power today as 95.03.

That is the facts as an average in the U.S. So some markets are higher some are lower.

So is Disney price of 109 that far off for their discounted price?

And I hate the racks rate model just charge the price you want to get. But today's society has to feel they are getting a savings or a deal on everything they do.

I can't fathom why, but many people DO pay rack rate. The current model allows for a (perfectly legal) system of price discrimination. Disney can collect $100 a night from those willing to pay it and/or too lazy and/or uninformed to look for discounts. They also collect $70 from the guest who knows about the discounts, seeks them out, and wouldn't stay on property otherwise.

If they JUST charged $70 for everyone, they'd miss out on the incremental $30 that the first guest is willing to pay. Likewise, if they JUST charged $100 for everyone, they'd lose the $70 guest entirely. It's no different than airline tickets, cruise fares, rental cars, etc. Once announced, Disney won't adjust rack rates up in a given year. Since it essentially functions as a self-imposed price ceiling, it makes sense to set it much higher than projected market rates so that if guest demand and the economic climate slide market rates above projections, Disney has the ability to adjust up. From an optics perspective, it's better to offer fewer discounts than to raise prices. In other words, Disney might expect All Star to rent at $70 per night. They set rack rates to $100 and plan on a 30% room-only offer. If the market indicates that guests are willing to pay $80, Disney simply tweaks the promotions schedule and releases a 20% offer instead of the 30%. This all happens behind the scenes, which would not be the case if they had ANNOUNCED $70 as the rack rate and then suddenly raised it to $80.

 

[PhotoDave219]

What are you paying for that steak and what is the weight?

ans yes it is always cheaper to cook an item at home. Always. U less you need to buy all the spices for the first time.

Me? Hell, I saw locally raised, grass fed organic beef at 18.99/lb for NY strip at Wegman's today. More money then I'm willing to spend but it looked amazing.

I miss the day and age of a local butcher shop.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I prefer a ribeye or a nice strip. I need the fat for flavor.

Now those publix steaks? Too thin for me, has to be 2-2 1/2 a side for medium rare. Unless its the good ones you get from the Meat Counter in Celebration.

There's a meat counter in Celebration!? I spent three years in Orlando trying to find a decent butcher and never could. I even once drove to UF to their butcher training school to fill my freezer. Up north (where I am now), there's a local butcher in every small town. Plus, even the butcher counters within the grocery stores do a good job with custom cuts.

I miss the day and age of a local butcher shop.

Move to New England.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

I'm a bone-in ribeye guy, no less than 2 1\2". Course ground sea salt, fresh cracked pepper, finished with a little European butter. Grilled asperagus on the side. And a bottle of Cab.

For dessert, fresh berries with homemade whipped cream.

Boom! Dinner.

Although, tonight we were slumming it. Omaha Steak burgers and fries. Paired with a Yuenling.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I'm a bone-in ribeye guy, no less than 2 1\2". Charcoal, of course. Course ground sea salt, fresh cracked pepper, finished with a little European butter. Grilled asperagus on the side. And a bottle of Cab.

For dessert, fresh berries with homemade whipped cream.

Boom! Dinner.

I had you pegged as a vegan.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

I had you pegged as a vegan.

West Virginia liberal and San Fransisco liberal are two different things. The last time I was huggin' a tree, I was trying not to fall out of the deer stand.

 

[gmajew]

I can't fathom why, but many people DO pay rack rate. The current model allows for a (perfectly legal) system of price discrimination. Disney can collect $100 a night from those willing to pay it and/or too lazy and/or uninformed to look for discounts. They also collect $70 from the guest who knows about the discounts, seeks them out, and wouldn't stay on property otherwise.

If they JUST charged $70 for everyone, they'd miss out on the incremental $30 that the first guest is willing to pay. Likewise, if they JUST charged $100 for everyone, they'd lose the $70 guest entirely. It's no different than airline tickets, cruise fares, rental cars, etc. Once announced, Disney won't adjust rack rates up in a given year. Since it essentially functions as a self-imposed price ceiling, it makes sense to set it much higher than projected market rates so that if guest demand and the economic climate slide market rates above projections, Disney has the ability to adjust up. From an optics perspective, it's better to offer fewer discounts than to raise prices. In other words, Disney might expect All Star to rent at $70 per night. They set rack rates to $100 and plan on a 30% room-only offer. If the market indicates that guests are willing to pay $80, Disney simply tweaks the promotions schedule and releases a 20% offer instead of the 30%. This all happens behind the scenes, which would not be the case if they had ANNOUNCED $70 as the rack rate and then suddenly raised it to $80.

I agree with you....

 

[PhotoDave219]

There's a meat counter in Celebration!? I spent three years in Orlando trying to find a decent butcher and never could. I even once drove to UF to their butcher training school to fill my freezer. Up north (where I am now), there's a local butcher in every small town. Plus, even the butcher counters within the grocery stores do a good job with custom cuts.


Move to New England.

Yes… There is a custom meat counter in the Publix in celebration.

They always seem to be running a special of some sort.

 

[gmajew]

Me? Hell, I saw locally raised, grass fed organic beef at 18.99/lb for NY strip at Wegman's today. More money then I'm willing to spend but it looked amazing.

I miss the day and age of a local butcher shop.

I am sure they are. Now I am hungry.

 

[PhotoDave219]

I'm a bone-in ribeye guy, no less than 2 1\2". Course ground sea salt, fresh cracked pepper, finished with a little European butter. Grilled asperagus on the side. And a bottle of Cab.

For dessert, fresh berries with homemade whipped cream.

Boom! Dinner.

Although, tonight we were slumming it. Omaha Steak burgers and fries. Paired with a Yuenling.

I may steal that recipie....

 

[Disneyhead'71]

Disney can charge what they want. And I can stay where I want. Everyone's happy.

I don't stay elsewhere because of price, I stay elsewhere because I feel the places I stay are nicer than the Disney resorts. The fact that I am pay half for more is icing on the cake. It really helped when I figured out that I actually don't like staying at the Disney resorts. I hate wading through knee deep screaming kids on my way to the bar.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Disney can charge what they want. And I can stay where I want. Everyone is happy.

I don't stay elsewhere because of price, I stay elsewhere because I feel the places I stay are nicer than the Disney resorts. The fact that I am pay half for more is icing on the cake.

And I'm somewhere in between I guess. I place very little premium on being "on property" just for its own sake so I generally won't stay at a value or a moderate (unless at DAAR or a cabin with a largeish party). I also don't place much value in hotel-themed hotels (Contemporary, boardwalk trio). Overall I put the most stock in an immersive theme as I feel it enhances my overall ability to disconnect from the real world. That leaves me with the Grand, Poly, Wilderness Lodge, and Animal Kingdom Lodge. Since I can't afford the first two, that makes the two lodges easily my resorts of choice.

(You also need to remember that for a non-local, staying on property avoids $40 per day for a rental car and $15 per day to park. Adding those to the cost of an off-site property is probably a more accurate comparison.)

 

[Disneyhead'71]

I stay at the JWMarriott. They have a free airport shuttle and a free shuttle to all the parks (they use Mercedes Sprinters).

 

[George]

All I want in my Disney CEO and the supreme official Disney head of parks and resorts is an appreciation and understanding of Disney theme parks. I think that is what is missing and has been missing for a while.

I also think "disdain" must be the proper adjective to describe how some of them must view guests because I would guess that many of the bigwigs wouldn't consider the average Joe worthy of hate.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

In stay at the JWMarriott. They have a free airport shuttle and a free shuttle to all the parks (they use Mercedes Sprinters).

I must correct myself, apparently they no longer have the free airport shuttle, but they do still have the parks shuttle. Their Airport shuttle is now contracted through Mears and is $17.

 

[ParentsOf4]

Based on the department of labor inflation calculator 60 in 1994 Has the same buying power today as 95.03.

That is the facts as an average in the U.S. So some markets are higher some are lower.

So is Disney price of 109 that far off for their discounted price?

And I hate the racks rate model just charge the price you want to get. But today's society has to feel they are getting a savings or a deal on everything they do.

The average rack rate for a single room at one of the All Star Resorts is $140/night.

Using the numbers you provided, if $60 in 1994 has the same buying power as $95 today, then WDW's rack rate represents a 47% inflation adjusted price increase.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

The average rack rate for a single room at one of the All Star Resorts is $140/night.

Using the numbers you provided, if $60 in 1994 has the same buying power as $95 today, then WDW's rack rate represents a 47% inflation adjusted price increase.

Are we sure that $60 is accurate as 1994's average rack rate?

 

[jakeman]

All I want in my Disney CEO and the supreme official Disney head of parks and resorts is an appreciation and understanding of Disney theme parks. I think that is what is missing and has been missing for a while.

I also think "disdain" must be the proper adjective to describe how some of them must view guests because I would guess that many of the bigwigs wouldn't consider the average Joe worthy of hate.

Apathetic would be the word I would use. "Disdain" denotes some sort of opinion.

 

[Disneyhead'71]

I would say condescending contempt. Especially for those paying attention.

But that's ok, the feeling is mutual.