A Spirited Perfect Ten

RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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truecoat said:
One was wearing a copy of this JLo dress from a previous oscars.

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Being nominated in the best song category allows some leeway in what you choose to wear apparently as they were allowed to attend.
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ford91exploder said:
Ye Cats - that one goes into the crimes against fashion category, That MIGHT be appropriate at the pool in Vegas but otherwise....
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I'll allow it.
 
wdisney9000

wdisney9000

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lazyboy97o said:
What is gained by giving Disney the boot? Shanghai has been entertaining the idea of a park for 20 years now. Disney isn't producing anything in Shanghai that can independently be sold like with a manufacturing facility and its associated skills. The Central Government has also ramped up IP enforcement in recent years.
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What if years down the road problems arise between Disney and China? Say China feels they have learned enough about the theme park business by working with Disney and they decide they no longer need them. Please understand this is extremely hypothetical and I was just thinking about it in the aspect of how China has no problems with their companies violating copyright laws on major companies such as Apple or infringing upon designs of automobiles from Honda to Rolls Royce. If huge corporations such as these cant win a lawsuit in a Chinese court, how would Disney? Again, Im just posturing an idea of "what if", and just asking out of curiosity and my lack of knowledge on how the deal between Disney and China was brokered.
 
Nubs70

Nubs70

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wdisney9000 said:
What if years down the road problems arise between Disney and China? Say China feels they have learned enough about the theme park business by working with Disney and they decide they no longer need them. Please understand this is extremely hypothetical and I was just thinking about it in the aspect of how China has no problems with their companies violating copyright laws on major companies such as Apple or infringing upon designs of automobiles from Honda to Rolls Royce. If huge corporations such as these cant win a lawsuit in a Chinese court, how would Disney? Again, Im just posturing an idea of "what if", and just asking out of curiosity and my lack of knowledge on how the deal between Disney and China was brokered.
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China could expropriate the whole thing (a la Venezuela) then fight against the WTO. This would have serious implications in further foreign direct investment. However, does the size of the potential market outweigh the risk? Cisco may have an answer to that.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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wdisney9000 said:
What if years down the road problems arise between Disney and China? Say China feels they have learned enough about the theme park business by working with Disney and they decide they no longer need them. Please understand this is extremely hypothetical and I was just thinking about it in the aspect of how China has no problems with their companies violating copyright laws on major companies such as Apple or infringing upon designs of automobiles from Honda to Rolls Royce. If huge corporations such as these cant win a lawsuit in a Chinese court, how would Disney? Again, Im just posturing an idea of "what if", and just asking out of curiosity and my lack of knowledge on how the deal between Disney and China was brokered.
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That's the risk with being in China. The market is so large and so lucrative they are willing to take the risk. It's not much different than any other American corporation in China like Starbucks and their 1,500+ stores.
 
Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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Nubs70 said:
China could expropriate the whole thing (a la Venezuela) then fight against the WTO. This would have serious implications in further foreign direct investment. However, does the size of the potential market outweigh the risk? Cisco may have an answer to that.
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hu, didnt Cisco get completely shaffed by that Chinese Clone company using both Cisco and 3Com tech?
I remember even the US banned the tech in fears of "infiltration software embeeded in the chips".
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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ford91exploder said:
What's gained is Shendi gets ALL the money from the park not just some of it and since the IP in china is owned by the 'partnership' Shendi gets control of that as well.
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If Shanghai wanted a theme park they could have built a theme park. They didn't need two decades to get that goal accomplished. They also could have offered enough cash to poach plenty of people from Walt Disney Imagineering. Disney has a degree of control in design and construction that is unusual.

So much of the discussion has also been about how the properties are unknown. And you're repatedly ignoring the massive efforts that have been made to normalize IP enforcement on the Mainland.

wdisney9000 said:
What if years down the road problems arise between Disney and China? Say China feels they have learned enough about the theme park business by working with Disney and they decide they no longer need them. Please understand this is extremely hypothetical and I was just thinking about it in the aspect of how China has no problems with their companies violating copyright laws on major companies such as Apple or infringing upon designs of automobiles from Honda to Rolls Royce. If huge corporations such as these cant win a lawsuit in a Chinese court, how would Disney? Again, Im just posturing an idea of "what if", and just asking out of curiosity and my lack of knowledge on how the deal between Disney and China was brokered.
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Disney doesn't really have any operational secrets acquired by partnering with them. It'd just be a bunch of bad press. IP enforcement is an issue that directly impacts business, and it is now impacting local companies as well. Shanghai wants to be a global center, they're not going to blow that by screwing over one of world's largest entertainment companies. Moves in China are calculated, not done on a whim because they can be done.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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wdisney9000 said:
What if years down the road problems arise between Disney and China? Say China feels they have learned enough about the theme park business by working with Disney and they decide they no longer need them. Please understand this is extremely hypothetical and I was just thinking about it in the aspect of how China has no problems with their companies violating copyright laws on major companies such as Apple or infringing upon designs of automobiles from Honda to Rolls Royce. If huge corporations such as these cant win a lawsuit in a Chinese court, how would Disney? Again, Im just posturing an idea of "what if", and just asking out of curiosity and my lack of knowledge on how the deal between Disney and China was brokered.
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Precisely, China does these 'Joint Ventures' as a means of transferring knowledge to China, China is kind of the 'Honey Badger' of nations, They do what benefits CHINA, The rest of the world be da-mmned.

Right now China has set a plan to eliminate all western technology companies products from Chinese funded ventures, So long Cisco say Hi to Huawei. So all the technology transfer that Cisco did benefits only China and Cisco is effectively being shown the door.

The USG bugging the gear did not help but it speeded up the process of removing western companies from the chinese technology market.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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Cesar R M said:
hu, didnt Cisco get completely shaffed by that Chinese Clone company using both Cisco and 3Com tech?
I remember even the US banned the tech in fears of "infiltration software embeeded in the chips".
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They did indeed Huawei has a complete line of 'plug compatible' Cisco gear, In the beginning they even took the documentation and did a search and replace and replaced all instances of Cisco with Huawei.

And now Huawei is the only networking vendor who can sell to chinese state funded enterprises.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
Nubs70 said:
China could expropriate the whole thing (a la Venezuela) then fight against the WTO. This would have serious implications in further foreign direct investment. However, does the size of the potential market outweigh the risk? Cisco may have an answer to that.
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Yes Cisco does, They have been frozen out of sales to Chinese state funded enterprises which is pretty much any big business in China.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
lazyboy97o said:
If Shanghai wanted a theme park they could have built a theme park. They didn't need two decades to get that goal accomplished. They also could have offered enough cash to poach plenty of people from Walt Disney Imagineering. Disney has a degree of control in design and construction that is unusual.

So much of the discussion has also been about how the properties are unknown. And you're repatedly ignoring the massive efforts that have been made to normalize IP enforcement on the Mainland.


Disney doesn't really have any operational secrets acquired by partnering with them. It'd just be a bunch of bad press. IP enforcement is an issue that directly impacts business, and it is now impacting local companies as well. Shanghai wants to be a global center, they're not going to blow that by screwing over one of world's largest entertainment companies. Moves in China are calculated, not done on a whim because they can be done.
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True, However Shendi now has a park being built by the leading operator of theme parks in the western world plus the direct cash investment they would not have had that if they had gone solo. It will be interesting to see what develops over time.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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ford91exploder said:
Precisely, China does these 'Joint Ventures' as a means of transferring knowledge to China, China is kind of the 'Honey Badger' of nations, They do what benefits CHINA, The rest of the world be da-mmned.

Right now China has set a plan to eliminate all western technology companies products from Chinese funded ventures, So long Cisco say Hi to Huawei. So all the technology transfer that Cisco did benefits only China and Cisco is effectively being shown the door.

The USG bugging the gear did not help but it speeded up the process of removing western companies from the chinese technology market.
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The technology list you reference has to do with actual government work, not all state owned companies. The U.S. invokes similar "Buy American" clauses into government projects.

ford91exploder said:
True, However Shendi now has a park being built by the leading operator of theme parks in the western world plus the direct cash investment they would not have had that if they had gone solo. It will be interesting to see what develops over time.
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That still makes no sense. There is nothing overly unique about Disney operations. The amount Disney pays in is a pittance compared to what a Shanghai will pay, and Disney not being a cost effective enterprise has been well discussed. Everything could have been gained more quickly, for less money without Disney.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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BrerJon said:
Although some attempts at copying Disney worked quite well, and some might say surpassed them. Does Disney have Voltron and Ninja Turtles in it's 'It's A Small World'? Why no, no it doesn't.

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With the money being spent, Shanghai isnt in the position of copy Disney or engage Disney. They could have poached people directly from Walt Disney Imagineering or hired any of the companies that currently do work for Walt Disney Imagineering or Universal Creative or are run by former employees of those organizations. The government could have hired the Kirk Brothers, who oversaw Tokyo DisneySEA. In terms of design quality, the talent is out there. Construction quality is a different beast that has a lot to do with the trappings of a glorious socialist state.
 

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