A Spirited Perfect Ten

[wogwog]

....... Oh Hell No. What happened to Uncle Orville?

Gone to join Push, Off Kilter, and the IT people I suppose.

 

[Tigger1988]

Well done doc. Nice to see one that isn't the typical whitewashed TWDC approved fairytale.

Only people who will find it too harsh are those who want to believe he was a saint. Nearly everything was backed up by actual footage/audio.

 

[Rteetz]

Well done doc. Nice to see one that isn't the typical whitewashed TWDC approved fairytale.

Only people who will find it too harsh are those who want to believe he was a saint. Nearly everything was backed up by actual footage/audio.

With that footage being reworked in HD which made it even better. I really like part 2 compared to part 1.

 

[gmajew]

Best part of the doc was when they said he grabbed a mask and helped paint back drops to get Disneyland open on time the night before.

That is he type of leader you respect and I strive to be for my companies. Why he is a idol of mine.

 

[Tigger1988]

Best part of the doc was when they said he grabbed a mask and helped paint back drops to get Disneyland open on time the night before.

That is he type of leader you respect and I strive to be for my companies. Why he is a idol of mine.

Not sure that outweighs the naming names and accusing his workers of being communists to me lol

 

[englanddg]

Not sure that outweighs the naming names and accusing his workers of being communists to me lol

Bordering on political...he wasn't wrong about the communist infiltration of hollywood.

And yes, I do mean infiltration.

 

[1023]

Not sure that outweighs the naming names and accusing his workers of being communists to me lol

Well.... were they communists?

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[lazyboy97o]

Nice to see one that isn't the typical whitewashed TWDC approved fairytale.

I'd say that was more true of the first half than the second. To me the only real shock was Song of the South. Everything else has pretty much been covered even in Disney published material.

 

[Tigger1988]

Well.... were they communists?

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Considering his only "evidence" was the fact that they decided to strike. Likely not.

 

[englanddg]

I'd say that was more true of the first half than the second. To me the only real shock was Song of the South. Everything else has pretty much been covered even in Disney published material.

I probably should break down and watch it...but I'm holding off to the weekend...

I'll cook myself a nice steak and potato, pour me a beer, and enjoy the show...

 

[Tigger1988]

Bordering on political...he wasn't wrong about the communist infiltration of hollywood.

And yes, I do mean infiltration.

He named names and accused people with no actual proof. Only his own paranoia. To put it kindest terms possible...that was a d*ck move.

 

[englanddg]

Considering his only "evidence" was the fact that they decided to strike. Likely not.

Considering what led to strikes for workers paid to do what they did during the economy at the time, he had every right to feel slighted, imho. And, without a doubt, labor organizers targeted captains of industry and culture, as he was both...to tear down their organizations from within.

 

[gmajew]

Not sure that outweighs the naming names and accusing his workers of being communists to me lol

Hate to say it we all call our employees names at times. Sometimes the passion you have for what you do is so great you forget what is right and say thing in the heat of passion. It is not right but we have all did when you are passionate about what you create.

 

[englanddg]

He named names and accused people with no actual proof. Only his own paranoia. To put it kindest terms possible...that was a d*ck move.

He was a far cry from McCarthy. But, I will grant you that. He did get paranoid. Thank god he took that vacation or the whole mess would have torn him apart, but I doubt his concerns were without reason. It's just that it's far more nuanced.

 

[Tigger1988]

Hate to say it we all call our employees names at times. Sometimes the passion you have for what you do is so great you forget what is right and say thing in the heat of passion. It is not right but we have all did when you are passionate about what you create.

You've testified against your former employees? Talking about someone behind closed doors isn't the same as what Walt did.

He said what he did 6 years after the strike. He was holding onto that passion for half a decade?

 

[englanddg]

Hate to say it we all call our employees names at times. Sometimes the passion you have for what you do is so great you forget what is right and say thing in the heat of passion. It is not right but we have all did when you are passionate about what you create.

I call my users idiots all the time. Because...they are acting such.

 

[1023]

Considering his only "evidence" was the fact that they decided to strike. Likely not.

While I know Walt was no saint and disdain the idea of cannonizing him, let's at least have a fact or two/

Copy of the LA Times obit in 2007:

David Hilberman, whose union activities at Walt Disney Studios and brief membership in the Communist Party led to his blacklisting and shadowed a long career that included founding the innovative United Productions of America studio, has died. He was 95.

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Although Hilberman had spent six months working at the Leningrad State People's Theater and attending the Leningrad Academy of Fine Art in 1932, he frequently denied ever having been a communist.

But in 1979 he told Canemaker, "Up to the war, for about three years, I was a communist. Once the war came along, everybody plunged into the war effort, everybody's on the same side.... The strike itself was not communist-led. I was floored when some obviously communist-inspired material was put up on the bulletin board."
</snip>

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Link: http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jul/21/local/me-hilberman21

 

[gmajew]

You've testified against your former employees? Talking about someone behind closed doors isn't the same as what Walt did.

He said what he did 6 years after the strike. He was holding onto that passion for half a decade?

Different bully pulpit... but same principals. I am not defending him it was wrong and things I have done have been as well. Just saying it happens and we do it leaders are not perfect men or woman.

 

[Tigger1988]

While I know Walt was no saint and disdain the idea of cannonizing him, let's at least have a fact or two/

Copy of the LA Times obit in 2007:

David Hilberman, whose union activities at Walt Disney Studios and brief membership in the Communist Party led to his blacklisting and shadowed a long career that included founding the innovative United Productions of America studio, has died. He was 95.

<snip>
Although Hilberman had spent six months working at the Leningrad State People's Theater and attending the Leningrad Academy of Fine Art in 1932, he frequently denied ever having been a communist.

But in 1979 he told Canemaker, "Up to the war, for about three years, I was a communist. Once the war came along, everybody plunged into the war effort, everybody's on the same side.... The strike itself was not communist-led. I was floored when some obviously communist-inspired material was put up on the bulletin board."
</snip>

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Link: http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jul/21/local/me-hilberman21

Walt named many people. Most of whom had no reason to be. Just a sampling from Jim Korkis:

"As you read Walt Disney's testimony for the HUAC, let's put some of the cast of characters whom Walt mentions into better perspective:

Herbert Sorrell was definitely hated by Walt but there is no reason to believe he was a Communist. Other friendly witnesses failed to identify Sorrell as a Communist even though they had plenty of opportunity to do so. Sorrell was the leader and negotiator for the Screen Cartoonists Guild and was known for playing tough. There is evidence that Walt didn't care for Sorrell personally as well as professionally.

William Pomerance was hired by the union after the strike and had nothing to do with it."

 

[1023]

You've testified against your former employees?

Sent one to jail....Embezzlement....

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