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the.dreamfinder

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How did Pirates only have a 15 minute wait? That ride looked beautiful.
Also, I'm interested on seeing what wait times are around 2:00 in the afternoon.
I'm not sure exactly what PotC:BftST's hourly capacity is, but it appears to be comparable to the other versions of the attraction; +/-2800 guests/hour.

Will try to pull up more wait times from SHDL when it opens for Friday at 8pm EST.
 

brb1006

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After being a life long Nintendo fan, they have really worn nearly every ounce of care out of me. The Wii U has been an utter disappointment in almost every way, and nothing about the NX excites me whatsoever.

It feels like the offhand feedback they got about how much folks liked off-screen play and designed a whole system around it. They took the wrong lessons from the Wii U, it's pretty clear. I honestly can't think of anything they can announce at this point could change my feelings. Even if they wake up and start doing account wide download unlocks, etc.

I'll be buying Mario Color Splash this week - though even that irritates me, since some folks already have it downloaded due to a glitch that I missed out on. But I honestly feel as if this will be the last hurrah for me - I'm content with the last 30ish years of Mario and Zelda games to go back through when I get the itch.

That said, I do look forward to what Universal does with the IP, because, well, Universal.
At least there's Pokemon Sun And Moon
 

Bairstow

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Shanghai could really use more attractions with classic WED capacities like Pirates, Small World or Mansion. At some point, building low capacity E's, as WDI is wont to do, is bad design.
Don't mean to make excuses, but maybe stuff like that didn't focus test well with Chinese consumers. I speculate this mainly because so much of the rest of the park's design and layout is counter to Disney's usual habits.
 

Earl Sweatpants

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Not sure if this is the place to post this (though honestly I have no clue what this thread is even about) but has anyone read through the book DisneyWar? It's basically 500 pages of the trials and tribulations surrounding corporate Disney during the Eisner years. I just crossed the 400 page mark last night and am absolutely fascinated by what I'm learning. Suddenly, so much of the current corporate landscape makes sense and it just further makes me look forward to the day when Iger and co are gone.
 

GiveMeTheMusic

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Other than your anecdotal experiences during the park's opening week, what exactly makes you think that the Shanghai University of Fonance and Economics report is inaccurate?

It is possible for a theme park with popular lower capacity attractions like SDMT, Soaring, and RR to have very long lines but the park still is fairly empty.

As a for instance, here are the wait times for the most popular attractions at SHDL via the SDR at 7:30 PM Shanghai time on 10/6/16
Soaring: 90min
Roaring Rapids: 75min
Seven Dwarves Mine Train: 75min
Tron: 60min
Pirates 15min

The report is a guesstimate with no actual access to real attendance numbers. That's why it's inaccurate. Just like the TEA/AECOM numbers are inaccurate for Disney. Attendance figures aren't released by the company and anyone outside the company who publishes their attendance guesses are doing just that...guessing.
 

BrianLo

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Other than your anecdotal experiences during the park's opening week, what exactly makes you think that the Shanghai University of Fonance and Economics report is inaccurate?

It is possible for a theme park with popular lower capacity attractions like SDMT, Soaring, and RR to have very long lines but the park still is fairly empty.

As a for instance, here are the wait times for the most popular attractions at SHDL via the SDR at 7:30 PM Shanghai time on 10/6/16
Soaring: 90min
Roaring Rapids: 75min
Seven Dwarves Mine Train: 75min
Tron: 60min
Pirates 15min

I know exactly what you are saying and figured I'd get some flack for it. I totally agree that SDL, much like DHS, functions based on its capacity. Wait times are really only an indication of how close to capacity the park is getting, or a reflection that capacity has been limited.

SDL has significantly more capacity than DHS. 14 rides to their 5. A daytime parade, some walk throughs that people are queuing up for and waiting upwards of 45-60 minutes. Similar to DHS they run several large shows, which also accounts for the parks overall capacity.

I had a look at wait times yesterday evening (Friday morning in Shanghai) and caught some of the morning crowds of the same day, whose waits were pretty consistent (although a bit higher as obviously people weren't getting ready for the evening show). It's really not the Roaring Rapids, Tron or SDMT that I care about. It's seeing 45 minute waits not inconsistently for attractions like Buzz, PoTC, Pooh, Pan or Voyage through the crystal grotto. When I was following closely in the summer those attractions could be pushing over an hour.

Someone can guess towards theoretical total ride capacity for the entire park per hour, but it just does not add up that headliners have multi hour waits, smaller attractions (some with large capacities) are also holding people in queues and the predictions are significantly lower than what Disney 'claims' DHS sees. From a park which likely currently runs half the capacity of SDL.

This is an average too, meaning some days have to be even lower. It is practically impossible for only 15k people to be in that park and post the wait times they are. Is no one in the walkways, is no one at a single show or watching a parade? If attendance is dipping that low it is the sub-headliners that should be a walk on with maybe the Aberent long wait in a low capacity Eticket. I've fallen off watching wait times this Fall, but I've yet to see a single day where wait times (and thereby total park capacity) wasn't at least mildly stressed.

That's why I'm calling bull on the numbers. Even if they are starting to approach 20k now in this off-season, that still doesn't 'average' the year out to 20k. Even with a lower capacity park like SDL, 20k is a very low figure that the park should not be struggling this much to handle.
 
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BrianLo

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It makes me wonder if this is at least partially a weekday/weekend thing.

Are crowds below expectations during the week (resulting in lower than expected overall attendance) but above expectations during the weekend (resulting in complaints of long lines)?

Throughout the morning and afternoons in the summer (when I was paying more attention) it would consistently hover around 30-45 minutes and drop off towards the end of the day.

Wait times are a very bad indicator of popularity, but the fact people are waiting at all for this massive turnover attraction means it's very popular (and way more guests get to experience it than the capacity garbage heap that is a two theatre Soaring).

Oops - was trying to quote @Direwolf27 - but my phone is bugging out. I agree with @ParentsOf4 as usual too.
 

ParentsOf4

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That's why I'm calling bull on the numbers. Even if they are starting to approach 20k now in this off-season, that still doesn't 'average' the year out to 20k. Even with a lower capacity park like SDL, 20k is a very low figure that the park should not be struggling this much to handle.
My top guess is that a certain high powered businessperson who threatened to fight Disney like a "pack of wolves" is pulling strings to foster as much bad press as possible. ;)
 

lazyboy97o

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Well... kind of.
I know people aren't too hot on the new Mermaid ride(s), but that's a very recent example of Disney doing things the Old Way.
I don't understand what you mean by this. New Fantasyland does though feature the wide walkways, setbacks and oddly proportioned buildings that don't quite relate to each other that tend to define Shanghai Disneyland.
 

Bairstow

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I don't understand what you mean by this. New Fantasyland does though feature the wide walkways, setbacks and oddly proportioned buildings that don't quite relate to each other that tend to define Shanghai Disneyland.
I thought you were echoing @the.dreamfinder 's comment about Disney's current trend being a move away from slow, very-high capacity attractions.
 

ford91exploder

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Cesar R M

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So with the launch of the TIki Room comic today, Disney Kingdoms finally worked College Program students into one of these stories.

http://disney-universes.tumblr.com/post/151413667906/enchanted-tiki-room-1-it-took-them-five
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jesus, that kind of behavior really rings a bell.
 

Cesar R M

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How did Pirates only have a 15 minute wait? That ride looked beautiful.
Also, I'm interested on seeing what wait times are around 2:00 in the afternoon.
Well, if we take the reliability of the water ride and tron's bikes.. I think that is part of the problem (plus the huge capacity of pirates)

Shanghai could really use more attractions with classic WED capacities like Pirates, Small World or Mansion. At some point, building low capacity E's, as WDI is wont to do, is bad design.
You know the drill, cost cuts.. efficiency.. bonuses... all what matters now.
 

njDizFan

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Not sure if this is the place to post this (though honestly I have no clue what this thread is even about) but has anyone read through the book DisneyWar? It's basically 500 pages of the trials and tribulations surrounding corporate Disney during the Eisner years. I just crossed the 400 page mark last night and am absolutely fascinated by what I'm learning. Suddenly, so much of the current corporate landscape makes sense and it just further makes me look forward to the day when Iger and co are gone.
DisneyWar is an oft cited book around these parts. I would imagine most of us fanboys/girls are familiar with the book and many have read it. It is basically the bible of Disney buisness culture(post Walt). Although some of the sections in Stewart's book have been critized as bias, I certainly believe much of the book is pretty darn accurate.

Undoubtely I would say the readers of the Spririt threads are very familiar with this work and most have probably read it.
 

Bairstow

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WAS there any major cost-cutting on the Shanghai project?

I actually can't recall seeing a major attraction that was cut or scaled back.
 

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