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ford91exploder

ford91exploder

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doctornick said:
It has absolutely nothing to do with Disney owning Marvel and to equate that as a cause of this is pretty silly. This is par for the course for comic books who have been doing this kind of silly "shocking" stuff for decades now, long before Disney was ever in the comic book gig.

Is it offensive to fans of the character? Of course, but that's the point. To get people talking about it and create attention. And in a few months or a year or whatever, it will be retconned away (e.g. he's a triple agent and really a good guy or he's from another Earth continuity or he's a Skrull in disguise or a clone or whatever). Even if the current writer/editor absolutely positively wants this to be "real" at some poine someone else will take over the book and put their mark on it by "fixing" matters. Such is how comic books work. As had been said: "The history of comics is the illusion of change" (I've seen it attributed to Stan Lee or Marv Wolfman) -- nothing ever really happens that can't/won't be undone in the future.
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Look I'm not a graphic novel fan, I know this happens in graphic novels all the time I even know what retconned means, People like me are bent because instead of honoring the 75'th anniversary of an iconic character they crap on the character
 
WDW1974

WDW1974

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And since there was some confusion, yes, what I am saying and have been is Bob Iger has almost no voice when it comes to China, his company's business there and how things are presented. He is a tool of the CCP. And, no, everyone who does business there isn't. Bob was weak and they took advantage and have continued to do so ...
 
ParentsOf4

ParentsOf4

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Michael Eisner served as Disney CEO for 21 years, beginning in 1984. Many who closely follow corporate Disney divide Eisner's tenure into 2 phases: financial and creative success during the first 10 years followed by increasing failures after that.

Some point to the 1994 death of Disney President and Eisner's righthand man, Frank Wells, as the turning point. Regardless of cause, Eisner's later years seem to have been cursed.

Iger became CEO in 2005. Is this mythical 10-year curse beginning to infect Disney's current CEO Bob Iger?

Consider:
  1. Iger squashes a February 2015 story questioning Disney's big investment in Shanghai Disneyland.
  2. Careless words from Iger during an August 2015 earnings call cause Disney stock to plummet 10% in overnight trading amid concerns of declining ESPN subscribers.
  3. Iger publicly attacks stock analyst Rich Greenfield on Bloomberg TV in December 2015 for predicting Disney stock will fall to $90 per share.
  4. Disney stock drops below $90 per share on February 10, 2016.
  5. Even after an additional investment of $800 million, rumors swirl in February 2016 that Iger's pet project, Shanghai Disneyland, continues to suffer cost overruns and project delays.
  6. Iger's handpicked successor and long-time friend, Tom Staggs, is forced to leave Disney in April 2016 after only a year as COO, eerily similar to the Eisner/Ovitz debacle which, coincidentally, also occurred near the start of Eisner's second decade as Disney CEO.
  7. For the first time in years, Disney’s May 2016 earnings fail to meet Wall Street expectations.
  8. Iger lashes out at Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders after Sanders' May 24 comments that Disneyland employees should be paid a liveable wage.
  9. Almost at the same instant, Iger is strangely silent when the CEO of Disney's chief amusement park competitor in China throws the gauntlet at Disney, suggesting that someone is muzzling Iger.
  10. Disney bans LA Times reporter Hugo Martin from the Frozen Live premier, allegedly for reporting Wang Jianlin's comments.
Is Iger beginning to unravel?
 
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Mike S

Mike S

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ParentsOf4 said:
Michael Eisner served as Disney CEO for 21 years, beginning in 1984. Many who closely follow corporate Disney divide Eisner's tenure into 2 phases: financial and creative success during the first 10 years followed by increasing failures after that.

Some point to the 1994 death of Disney President and Eisner's righthand man, Frank Wells, as the turning point. Regardless of cause, Eisner's later years seem to have been cursed.

Iger became CEO in 2005. Is this mythical 10-year curse beginning to infect Disney's current CEO Bob Iger?

Consider:
  1. Iger squashes a February 2015 story questioning Disney's big investment in Shanghai Disneyland.
  2. Careless words from Iger during an August 2015 earnings call causes Disney stock to plummet 10% in overnight trading amid concerns of declining ESPN subscribers.
  3. Iger publicly attacks stock analyst Rich Greenfield on Bloomberg TV in December 2015 for predicting Disney stock will fall to $90 per share.
  4. Disney stock drops below $90 per share on February 10, 2016.
  5. Even after an additional investment of $800 million, rumors swirl in February 2016 that Iger's pet project, Shanghai Disneyland, continues to suffer cost overruns and project delays.
  6. For the first time in years, Disney’s May 2016 earnings fail to meet Wall Street expectations.
  7. Iger lashes out at Democratic Presidential candidate Bernie Sanders after Sanders' May 24 comments that Disneyland employees should be paid a liveable wage.
  8. Almost at the same instant, Iger is strangely silent when the CEO of Disney's chief amusement park competitor in China throws the gauntlet at Disney, suggesting that someone is muzzling Iger.
  9. Disney bans an LA Times reporter from the Frozen Live premier, allegedly for reporting Wang Jianlin's comments.
Is Iger beginning to unravel?
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"Beginning to?" ;)
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Mike S said:
"Beginning to?" ;)
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Think of it this way, there is a lot of negative talk about Iger here but in the mainstream media and financial worlds he was virtually flawless. Wall Street loved him and he got a lot of positive PR from the major acquisitions and direction of the company. Outside of point #1 in @ParentsOf4 list (which is still mostly just talked about here) these are all hits he has taken in the mainstream media. His image and possibly his legacy could actually be permanently damaged by some of this stuff. I'm sure he couldn't care less about a few fanboy voices on an online forum being negative, but these events have really hit home for him. It's not shocking he's beginning to unravel.
 
SJN1279

SJN1279

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New Alice was great fun. A huge improvement over the last one, and probably my favorite movie of 2016 so far. Go see it, if you get the chance.
 
GiveMeTheMusic

GiveMeTheMusic

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SJN1279 said:
New Alice was great fun. A huge improvement over the last one, and probably my favorite movie of 2016 so far. Go see it, if you get the chance.
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Despite the panning it got from critics, I agree. It was more fun than the first one and like Jungle Book, dazzling in crisp 3D. It isn't as good as Jungle Book however and it's faltering at the B.O. so far this weekend. It might be Disney's big miss for the year.
 
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Quinnmac000

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GiveMeTheMusic said:
Despite the panning it got from critics, I agree. It was more fun than the first one and like Jungle Book, dazzling in crisp 3D. It isn't as good as Jungle Book however and it's faltering at the B.O. so far this weekend. It might be Disney's big miss for the year.
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No that's going to be the Queen of Katwe.
 
WDW1974

WDW1974

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From the "Move Along, Nothing To See Here ... Everything is Fine" Department:

As I just saw (literally) my first local WDW Summer Awakens spot on the ABC affiliate in Miami (WPLG-Ch. 10), which had lots of fine print under the offerings that basically said 'Not necessarily open when you come ... this summer!', I was reading a note a friend sent earlier today.

MK CM blockouts for today were lifted at last minute (meaning within the last 24 hours).

Back to the commercial, which advertised 4-day FL resident tickets good all summer long now (except for July 1st-4th), I couldn't help but notice the $59 a day price and was thinking ''I'm really not sure WDW parks are even worth that at all, except maybe DAK ... and who in their right mind wants to visit in summer?"
 

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