A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

ProfSavage

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It’s not well communicated, but in The Force Awakens the First Order is not a new empire. It’s a little faction that the New Republic ignores and concerns Leia. They jump into importance because they are able to briefly get a weapon of mass destruction and use it against the Hosnian system.

It is The Last Jedi that instantaneously catapults the First Order into not just a new Empire, but a far more powerful Empire. The very first thing we learn in Star Wars is that “It is a period of civil war.” In his three decades or so as Chancellor and Emperor, Palpatine was never able to completely consolidate power. It took him roughly 20 years to finally dissolve the Senate. Systems such as Alderaan worked behind his back. He never stopped the civil war (Rebellion). He had to build two Death Stars to try to keep systems in line. All of that is just the core systems and not the anarchy of the Outer Rim. Snoke does all of that in a week, but he is somehow unimportant?

Even in the The Last Jedi, we don’t see what is happening in the greater galaxy as a whole (Canto Bight doesn’t count, it’s in the Corporate Sector and filled with elites who can insulate themselves) so we don’t really know what systems the First Order has or doesn’t. The whole point of the movie is the First Order trying to wipe out the Resistance after decimating the New Republic. I think even Rey says if nothing is done, they can overrun the Galaxy in weeks. We haven’t seen that yet.

And we don’t know how many of the average First Order officers know of Snoke, since it seems Hux is for all intents and purposes the leader of the military arm of the First Order
 

lazyboy97o

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Even in the The Last Jedi, we don’t see what is happening in the greater galaxy as a whole (Canto Bight doesn’t count, it’s in the Corporate Sector and filled with elites who can insulate themselves) so we don’t really know what systems the First Order has or doesn’t. The whole point of the movie is the First Order trying to wipe out the Resistance after decimating the New Republic. I think even Rey says if nothing is done, they can overrun the Galaxy in weeks. We haven’t seen that yet.

And we don’t know how many of the average First Order officers know of Snoke, since it seems Hux is for all intents and purposes the leader of the military arm of the First Order
The central plot of the movie is that nobody, even in the Outer Rim, is willing to assist the Resistance. That means everyone is willing to do as the First Order desires. The capital of the New Republic was destroyed, not the entire republic.
 

Nubs70

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Sorry to interrupt the umpteenth Star Wars debate, but thought I would put this here since we haven't had a good Disney VS Universal argument in a few hours.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2018/05/19/disney-worlds-top-rival-is-losing-momentum.aspx
In respect to the 2% Delta, would the increase in WDW hard ticket events cover this differential?

Hard ticket events essentially sell the parks twice in 1 day. 21 hard ticket events at 1/3 average daily capacity would roughly cover the Delta. In fact, Universals 2% increase could be greater than WDW's 4% if unique visitors are considered.
 

Princess Leia

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Updating Marvel Super Hero and Seuss islands would do wonders for Uni. Half of Marvel is great (I didn’t ride Hulk, but my friends who did love it), but the whole area could be even better if they got rid of Doom and plussed Storm (or changed it)
 

bclane

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On the Universal losing momentum article, it's really interesting to see those numbers. Thanks @Disneyhead'71. I always look forward to your posts. In all likelihood, things will continue to look better and better for Disney compared to Universal until Uni finally opens up some of the more interesting projects that are rumored to be in the works (please let the Middle Earth/Star Trek rumors be true along with the Nintendo and new park stuff). Having said that, we had family here from Hawaii this past week (6 adults and 4 kids ranging from 1st through 7th grade). They went to Disney two days and Universal 5 days. A couple relevant points regarding their trip:

1) They received like five free days with the purchase of a 2-day Uni pass, so that is part of why they split their days the way they did.
2) They spent a ridiculous amount of money in the parks every day they were there so the free days didn't hurt Universal at all
3) They all preferred their Universal days over their Disney days, though they absolutely loved Pandora.

As a person that loves both resorts but prefers Disney, I can not really relate to their preference of Universal, but I am just posting this to say that a lot of people actually prefer Universal when they give it their time. This is all to say that I think Universal will be fine in the long run though they are going to probably take a huge hit next year when Galaxies Edge opens up.
 

Princess Leia

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It probably won’t happen, but I would love to see a Mystery of Magic/Department of Mysteries horror based attraction (based off of the 5th book, not movie). It would need something light for kids (both Potter lands need something all families can ride), but the Department of Mysteries is one of those scenes from the book that never really left my head.
 

Hatbox Ghostbuster

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People people...TLJ is the middle part of a trilogy...it isn't going to wrap up your threads or answer all your questions. It will keep you guessing until the next one.

People aren't juding Infinity War on its own and saying, "! So and so is gone! What a let-down!" We're just gonna have to see how it all really truly pans out in Ep 9. Even if Kylo Ren told Rey that her parents were nobodies in this one...it doesn't mean he's telling the truth. He IS the villain after all.
 

smile

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People people...TLJ is the middle part of a trilogy...it isn't going to wrap up your threads or answer all your questions. It will keep you guessing until the next one.

People aren't juding Infinity War on its own and saying, "***! So and so is gone! What a let-down!" We're just gonna have to see how it all really truly pans out in Ep 9. Even if Kylo Ren told Rey that her parents were nobodies in this one...it doesn't mean he's telling the truth. He IS the villain after all.

that's actually an issue with the non-gl movies that gl himself even noted...
they're not individually self-contained stories.

all six of his were, neither of these new two are
 

Hatbox Ghostbuster

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that's actually an issue with the non-gl movies that gl himself even noted...
they're not individually self-contained stories.

all six of his were, neither of these new two are
I guess that's the problem you get when you let different people take the helm. They've admitted to going in with no clear storyline.

I wouldn't put it past JJ though to undermine some of TLJ's non-payoffs and give fans what they want.
 

VJ

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Well, IMO, it basically proves that the stewardship is quite flawed. It was a film green lit not because there was some compelling idea for a story, but simply based on polls and survey results that said that Solo was the most popular "good guy" Star Wars character.
Lawrence Kasdan had been working since before the Disney purchase to get Solo made.
What happened is, in November 2012, I was in Colorado and Kathy [Kennedy] called me. She said “Look, we’re going to do some new Star Wars movies, and would you come up and talk to me and George about it?” I said, “I don’t know. I feel like I’ve done my Star Wars movies.” I had done two by then. She said, “Just come up. We’d really appreciate it and let’s have a talk.” I said, “All right.” [...] And then they said, “You know, one of the ideas would be to do just a movie about Han,” and I suddenly perked up, because that was the only thing that interested me. I didn’t want to do a sequel. I wouldn’t have written the next one, normally. I just thought I had done it. But to do something with Han, who I found was the most interesting and fun character in the whole deal, and to be able to be free and make whatever kind of story I wanted about Han, well, that was irresistible to me. And I say, “Well, that does interest me.” And as the conversation went on, and there was some talk about what it might be, but I was not interested in what they were talking about. I was interested in how was the character I fell in love with at Mos Eisley formed, and what kind of story could you tell around that? Because really, I’m a Western freak. I’ve made two Westerns, and there’s nothing more Western than A New Hope and Mos Eisley. In walks a gunfighter. He looks like a gunfighter, he sits like a gunfighter, he shoots first like a gunfighter. And so I thought, what happened before that guy walked in the door?
Original article
 

smile

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I guess that's the problem you get when you let different people take the helm. They've admitted to going in with no clear storyline.

I wouldn't put it past JJ though to undermine some of TLJ's non-payoffs and give fans what they want.

hey, some folks dig it, but it's not the same thing to me anymore... star wars 2.0, or more accurately 'the next generation'
- it'll be interesting to see how the gl and post-gl content is viewed by history.
 

smile

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Lawrence Kasdan had been working since before the Disney purchase to get Solo made.

Original article

a family affair, as well

lk lost a heap of faith from me being so involved with tfa...
i've yet to see it or read any sort of reviews of solo, but a couple friends spoke positively; one even saying they were reminded of me while watching (no clue why)

references aside, i'm not on-board thinking rogue one and solo were cash grabs - had forever thought the premise of r1 would have made an interesting movie ...and it could have resulted in far worse
 

Mike S

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People people...TLJ is the middle part of a trilogy...it isn't going to wrap up your threads or answer all your questions. It will keep you guessing until the next one.

People aren't juding Infinity War on its own and saying, "***! So and so is gone! What a let-down!" We're just gonna have to see how it all really truly pans out in Ep 9. Even if Kylo Ren told Rey that her parents were nobodies in this one...it doesn't mean he's telling the truth. He IS the villain after all.
TLJ is no ESB or IW though.
Third land.
Oh yeah I agree that’s not necessary.
 

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