A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

CJR

Well-Known Member
LMS is coming to Fox this Fall due to demand.

They wouldn't have revived it without demand. BUT they also got the cost down as they were able to get the cast to renegotiate their contracts. Fox was also able to clear out their schedule by cancelling lower rated shows that were already renewed last year when ABC (unexpectedly) cancelled the show. Fox was better prepared this year.

Really, the show was never without demand. The demand got the show revived, the cost is what got the show cancelled a year ago.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
So antisemitism is a form of “intellectual diversity”?

Roseanne has been all over the place politically. I think her posing in pictures dressed as Hitler and cooking gingerbread men should have been a tip off for execs at ABC...

She is Jewish and it was a spoof for a Jewish humor magazine.

I know, no one wants facts right now while /outrage mode is on, but if you want examples there are better ones to pick.
 

ProfSavage

Well-Known Member
She is Jewish and it was a spoof for a Jewish humor magazine.

I know, no one wants facts right now while /outrage mode is on, but if you want examples there are better ones to pick.

All I’m saying is, don’t hire toxic people that can become a liability and then be surprised when they do something toxic, abhorrent or disgusting and become a liability. Besides, her show sucked 20 years ago. TV revivals rarely ever go well. There’s no great loss to the American discourse with her slithering back into obscurity, trolling alt-right and Qanon Twitter.
 

britain

Well-Known Member
You know what Disney should do for certain properties? The "It's a Wonderful Life" / "Babes in Toyland" treatment.

When it first came out, IaWL wasn't a big deal. But, the movie lapsed into public domain while the work it was based on didn't. And so, NBC pays a rather light fee to air it twice every Christmas Season.

In the same way, a version of Babes in Toyland (with Laurel and Hardy) also lapsed and that also gets a lot of air time during the holidays.

And because of this repetition, they have become classics.

So... Disney and all its streaming, cable, and broadcast companies should flood the zone with franchises they want to popularize. Release all the SW movies in China for practically free. Then give Chinese TV companies free use of all the movies. Make it popular in China simply because it is commonly and freely accessible. Then you'll get the big payday with the next feature release.

Same with The Muppets. The Muppet Show should be on every night late night on ABC and Freeform. And free to stream. Get the next generation hooked. Then, they'll pay attention to new features.

I like your thinking, but I don't think you can recreate that today - there's an infinite amount of content on the internet (even when censored by China!). It's not like there's only 4 channels these days.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
I'm only going to make one post about this, and I'm sure the replies will throw words into my mouth, try to interpret them in the worst possible way, accuse me of being some horrible things, and I'm okay with that - I am going to say what I have to say, and then (as the mob internet mentality we live in today dictates) people will then think whatever they want that fits their own internal narrative.

What happened today with Roseanne is the epitome of what the hell is wrong with all of us today. It is why I am, no joking, no exaggeration, really concerned for the future of our nation. It shows that we have lost most critical thinking skills, that our bar for things like "virulent racism" is ridiculously low (anyone who actually thinks Roseanne is some terrible racist have never met nor seen a terrible racist), that people will pounce on to something and use it to further their own narrative no matter what the truth or context may be, and that corporations are now ruled by social media. We all see everything through the lens of identity politics, and it is going to be the ruin of our culture as this goes further and further (and I say this as a gay man who is sick to death of everyone who isn't gay telling me how "marginalized" I am).

What Roseanne said was stupid, and she should have known better. She is also quite famous for having rather severe mental health problems (impulse issues, bipolar, etc.). In the middle of the night she made a tweet, deleted it when the sun came up, issued what was a rather sincere apology for it, and left the platform - all BEFORE most of us were out of bed this morning, and before the media even picked it up.

Her tweet refereed to "Planet of the Apes" - and clearly she was referring to the classic films. In which they were all played by...white people. I'm sorry, condemn me for it - it was not right to say, but yes, when it is pointed out, the shape of the face of the woman she was talking about strangely does resemble the sort of streched faces of the masks used in that film. I'm not going to put up comparison pictures here, but if anyone honestly can look at a picture of her and look at a picture from that film you will see what I honestly believe she was actually referring to.

She had a really stupid thought in the middle of the night (and who knows what medications she is on), did not properly control her impulses, hours later, again, before any of us even knew about it, issued a frank apology and did the right thing by realizing that twitter just isn't a place for her, and...REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE the outrage machine had a long weekend off and were ready to just pounce. This was so perfect for it, because of all the misinformation and bullcrap said about the new show, to begin with (mostly from people who didn't even watch it).

Again, it was in bad taste. She should not have gone after someone's appearance. But to see it reported as "virulently racist" and enough to just delete someone from society is so troubling, especially since most people who are jumping on this aren't putting what she said into context. Putting it into context doesn't make it right, but it does show that she was making a poor joke about someone's appearance, and by labeling it as racist it just amped it all up and now 100's of people lost their jobs, and millions of people just lost a show they obviously connected with in these troubled times.

I am sure people will vehimently disagree with this, and somehow label me some racist or other -ist for saying these things, but like I said, this is the internet age - 1984 is here, but the twist is it is not the government that is imposing it - it is social media, we are doing it to ourselves. The supposed "compassion" we are supposed to show is a joke, when people cannot see that indeed, like many creative people (and let's not pretend that until her politics and tweets became involved, Roseanne has been called a comic genius for decades) she admittedly has myriad mental health issues, which would be the first thing people would mention if they didn't disagree with her politics.

If this is a picture of some horrible racist who needs to be expunged, then America - we have gone off the deep end:

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AEfx

Well-Known Member
Now, on a completely other note...

I don't think it has been mentioned here, but the lawsuit over "The Happytime Murders" is really interesting. If you don't know what it is, go to YouTube and watch the "red band" trailer (unless you are really sensitive LOL). I'd link it here but it is decidedly NSFW.

Short version - it is a Roger Rabbit-esque take on the "real life" of puppet performers, and it is actually directed by Brian Henson. The trailer, as you can see, heavily promotes that it is by the director of several Muppet projects. The tag line is "All Street. No Sesame." That is where the drama begins.

Sesame Workshop has filed a lawsuit (and just reading the suit is hilarious - I mean, it describes some of the puppet...interactions?...with comical sincerity). They really don't have a leg to stand on, legally, as it clearly is a parody, but I find their hard-stance on it so interesting because of Brian Henson's involvement in the project. After all the Henson family did (and lost) to ensure that Sesame Street stayed its own entity and wasn't lost to Disney (even though they were desperate for it), it kind of is like - really? Especially since legally they really have no basis for it - they in fact are giving the film even more promotion than it would have gotten before.

Thus far, no complaints (or even comments) from Disney I can find from their end, as owners of the Muppets.

BTW, this is the lawyer they are claiming drafted the media response (I crap you not!):

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the.dreamfinder

Well-Known Member
Now, on a completely other note...

I don't think it has been mentioned here, but the lawsuit over "The Happytime Murders" is really interesting. If you don't know what it is, go to YouTube and watch the "red band" trailer (unless you are really sensitive LOL). I'd link it here but it is decidedly NSFW.

Short version - it is a Roger Rabbit-esque take on the "real life" of puppet performers, and it is actually directed by Brian Henson. The trailer, as you can see, heavily promotes that it is by the director of several Muppet projects. The tag line is "All Street. No Sesame." That is where the drama begins.

Sesame Workshop has filed a lawsuit (and just reading the suit is hilarious - I mean, it describes some of the puppet...interactions?...with comical sincerity). They really don't have a leg to stand on, legally, as it clearly is a parody, but I find their hard-stance on it so interesting because of Brian Henson's involvement in the project. After all the Henson family did (and lost) to ensure that Sesame Street stayed its own entity and wasn't lost to Disney (even though they were desperate for it), it kind of is like - really? Especially since legally they really have no basis for it - they in fact are giving the film even more promotion than it would have gotten before.

Thus far, no complaints (or even comments) from Disney I can find from their end, as owners of the Muppets.

BTW, this is the lawyer they are claiming drafted the media response (I crap you not!):

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That trailer, and a certain joke, got the biggest laughs at my “Deadpool 2” screening.
 

Mike S

Well-Known Member
Now, on a completely other note...

I don't think it has been mentioned here, but the lawsuit over "The Happytime Murders" is really interesting. If you don't know what it is, go to YouTube and watch the "red band" trailer (unless you are really sensitive LOL). I'd link it here but it is decidedly NSFW.

Short version - it is a Roger Rabbit-esque take on the "real life" of puppet performers, and it is actually directed by Brian Henson. The trailer, as you can see, heavily promotes that it is by the director of several Muppet projects. The tag line is "All Street. No Sesame." That is where the drama begins.

Sesame Workshop has filed a lawsuit (and just reading the suit is hilarious - I mean, it describes some of the puppet...interactions?...with comical sincerity). They really don't have a leg to stand on, legally, as it clearly is a parody, but I find their hard-stance on it so interesting because of Brian Henson's involvement in the project. After all the Henson family did (and lost) to ensure that Sesame Street stayed its own entity and wasn't lost to Disney (even though they were desperate for it), it kind of is like - really? Especially since legally they really have no basis for it - they in fact are giving the film even more promotion than it would have gotten before.

Thus far, no complaints (or even comments) from Disney I can find from their end, as owners of the Muppets.

BTW, this is the lawyer they are claiming drafted the media response (I crap you not!):

5b0b6ed82000004100b92b2b.jpeg
This reminds me of the controversy behind “The Interview.”
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
That trailer, and a certain joke, got the biggest laughs at my “Deadpool 2” screening.

I saw it in my living room, laughed so hard my cat was startled and ran, and watched it twice more.

I'm not even a huge Melissa McCarthy fan (moderate, I like some of her stuff, other stuff I think is too over the top), and this is a movie that will actually get me out into the theaters (and I didn't even go see Solo, not because I'm boycotting but I am just "meh, will see it in a few months").

I never knew I needed "rotten cotton" in my life LOL.
 

Princess Leia

Well-Known Member
Now, on a completely other note...

I don't think it has been mentioned here, but the lawsuit over "The Happytime Murders" is really interesting. If you don't know what it is, go to YouTube and watch the "red band" trailer (unless you are really sensitive LOL). I'd link it here but it is decidedly NSFW.

Short version - it is a Roger Rabbit-esque take on the "real life" of puppet performers, and it is actually directed by Brian Henson. The trailer, as you can see, heavily promotes that it is by the director of several Muppet projects. The tag line is "All Street. No Sesame." That is where the drama begins.

Sesame Workshop has filed a lawsuit (and just reading the suit is hilarious - I mean, it describes some of the puppet...interactions?...with comical sincerity). They really don't have a leg to stand on, legally, as it clearly is a parody, but I find their hard-stance on it so interesting because of Brian Henson's involvement in the project. After all the Henson family did (and lost) to ensure that Sesame Street stayed its own entity and wasn't lost to Disney (even though they were desperate for it), it kind of is like - really? Especially since legally they really have no basis for it - they in fact are giving the film even more promotion than it would have gotten before.

Thus far, no complaints (or even comments) from Disney I can find from their end, as owners of the Muppets.

BTW, this is the lawyer they are claiming drafted the media response (I crap you not!):

5b0b6ed82000004100b92b2b.jpeg
I’m pretty intrigued by the movie, the trailer seems promising.
 

TeriofTerror

Well-Known Member
I'm only going to make one post about this, and I'm sure the replies will throw words into my mouth, try to interpret them in the worst possible way, accuse me of being some horrible things, and I'm okay with that - I am going to say what I have to say, and then (as the mob internet mentality we live in today dictates) people will then think whatever they want that fits their own internal narrative.

What happened today with Roseanne is the epitome of what the hell is wrong with all of us today. It is why I am, no joking, no exaggeration, really concerned for the future of our nation. It shows that we have lost most critical thinking skills, that our bar for things like "virulent racism" is ridiculously low (anyone who actually thinks Roseanne is some terrible racist have never met nor seen a terrible racist), that people will pounce on to something and use it to further their own narrative no matter what the truth or context may be, and that corporations are now ruled by social media. We all see everything through the lens of identity politics, and it is going to be the ruin of our culture as this goes further and further (and I say this as a gay man who is sick to death of everyone who isn't gay telling me how "marginalized" I am).

What Roseanne said was stupid, and she should have known better. She is also quite famous for having rather severe mental health problems (impulse issues, bipolar, etc.). In the middle of the night she made a tweet, deleted it when the sun came up, issued what was a rather sincere apology for it, and left the platform - all BEFORE most of us were out of bed this morning, and before the media even picked it up.

Her tweet refereed to "Planet of the Apes" - and clearly she was referring to the classic films. In which they were all played by...white people. I'm sorry, condemn me for it - it was not right to say, but yes, when it is pointed out, the shape of the face of the woman she was talking about strangely does resemble the sort of streched faces of the masks used in that film. I'm not going to put up comparison pictures here, but if anyone honestly can look at a picture of her and look at a picture from that film you will see what I honestly believe she was actually referring to.

She had a really stupid thought in the middle of the night (and who knows what medications she is on), did not properly control her impulses, hours later, again, before any of us even knew about it, issued a frank apology and did the right thing by realizing that twitter just isn't a place for her, and...REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE the outrage machine had a long weekend off and were ready to just pounce. This was so perfect for it, because of all the misinformation and bullcrap said about the new show, to begin with (mostly from people who didn't even watch it).

Again, it was in bad taste. She should not have gone after someone's appearance. But to see it reported as "virulently racist" and enough to just delete someone from society is so troubling, especially since most people who are jumping on this aren't putting what she said into context. Putting it into context doesn't make it right, but it does show that she was making a poor joke about someone's appearance, and by labeling it as racist it just amped it all up and now 100's of people lost their jobs, and millions of people just lost a show they obviously connected with in these troubled times.

I am sure people will vehimently disagree with this, and somehow label me some racist or other -ist for saying these things, but like I said, this is the internet age - 1984 is here, but the twist is it is not the government that is imposing it - it is social media, we are doing it to ourselves. The supposed "compassion" we are supposed to show is a joke, when people cannot see that indeed, like many creative people (and let's not pretend that until her politics and tweets became involved, Roseanne has been called a comic genius for decades) she admittedly has myriad mental health issues, which would be the first thing people would mention if they didn't disagree with her politics.

If this is a picture of some horrible racist who needs to be expunged, then America - we have gone off the deep end:

cc62316c-08cb-4525-9c8c-04a81e3bd4c1-147831_6361.jpg
It's not just "bad taste". She actually had these thoughts. At all. Ever. Yes, expressing them shows a lack of judgment. But having them at all shows a lack of empathy.
No, it shows a lack of humanity.
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
Now, on a completely other note...

I don't think it has been mentioned here, but the lawsuit over "The Happytime Murders" is really interesting. If you don't know what it is, go to YouTube and watch the "red band" trailer (unless you are really sensitive LOL). I'd link it here but it is decidedly NSFW.

Short version - it is a Roger Rabbit-esque take on the "real life" of puppet performers, and it is actually directed by Brian Henson. The trailer, as you can see, heavily promotes that it is by the director of several Muppet projects. The tag line is "All Street. No Sesame." That is where the drama begins.

Sesame Workshop has filed a lawsuit (and just reading the suit is hilarious - I mean, it describes some of the puppet...interactions?...with comical sincerity). They really don't have a leg to stand on, legally, as it clearly is a parody, but I find their hard-stance on it so interesting because of Brian Henson's involvement in the project. After all the Henson family did (and lost) to ensure that Sesame Street stayed its own entity and wasn't lost to Disney (even though they were desperate for it), it kind of is like - really? Especially since legally they really have no basis for it - they in fact are giving the film even more promotion than it would have gotten before.

Thus far, no complaints (or even comments) from Disney I can find from their end, as owners of the Muppets.

BTW, this is the lawyer they are claiming drafted the media response (I crap you not!):

5b0b6ed82000004100b92b2b.jpeg

What happened when Avenue Q debuted on Broadway? This isn't the first time someone has made a show with naughty faux muppets.
 

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