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TeriofTerror

TeriofTerror

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AEfx said:
I'm going to break my rule (hey it only took a page!) but only because you just proved my entire point. Maybe if I am more brief my point will make more sense.

Lynching someone shows a lack of humanity.

Murder, or physical harm period shows a lack of humanity.

Segregated schools, denying employment based on race, etc. show a lack of humanity.

Roseanne Barr is accused of none of these things.

She is a woman who battles mental illness, has a thirty-year track record of having impulse control issues with her statements, who made a one sentence tweet in the middle of the night making a comparison regarding the appearance of someone resembling a prosthetic mask from a 1970's science fiction film.

If that is what qualifies someone for having a "lack of humanity", then either a) we must live in a perfect world if this is the low bar for what qualifies, or b) we have gone completely insane and lost our perspective.
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Yeah, my husband said I should omit that phrase.
I stand by my point. If you even think those sorts of things, I really don't even want to know you.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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Animaniac93-98 said:
What happened when Avenue Q debuted on Broadway? This isn't the first time someone has made a show with naughty faux muppets.
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They are mostly riled up by the tag line - "All Street. No Sesame."

They are claiming trademark infringement.

It so clearly is not - I mean, the tag line itself declares that it isn't to be confused. It is just the only lawsuit they could file, since it clearly violates no copyright or other law.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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AEfx said:
I saw it in my living room, laughed so hard my cat was startled and ran, and watched it twice more.

I'm not even a huge Melissa McCarthy fan (moderate, I like some of her stuff, other stuff I think is too over the top), and this is a movie that will actually get me out into the theaters (and I didn't even go see Solo, not because I'm boycotting but I am just "meh, will see it in a few months").

I never knew I needed "rotten cotton" in my life LOL.
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I’m seeing Deadpool Friday and I might just hold off on this trailer until then for the full effect.
 
Nubs70

Nubs70

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AEfx said:
I'm going to break my rule (hey it only took a page!) but only because you just proved my entire point. Maybe if I am more brief my point will make more sense.

Lynching someone shows a lack of humanity.

Murder, or physical harm period shows a lack of humanity.

Segregated schools, denying employment based on race, etc. show a lack of humanity.

Roseanne Barr is accused of none of these things.

She is a woman who battles mental illness, has a thirty-year track record of having impulse control issues with her statements, who made a one sentence tweet in the middle of the night making a comparison regarding the appearance of someone resembling a prosthetic mask from a 1970's science fiction film. When the sun came up, she realized her mistake, deleted it and made a sincere apology, and made the decision to remove herself from the platform - all before it was picked up by the media.

If that is what qualifies someone for having a "lack of humanity", then either a) we must live in a perfect world if this is the low bar for what qualifies, or b) we have gone completely insane and lost our perspective.
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We have lost the trait of forgiveness. Offenders must be destroyed.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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rybarr87 said:
So about those Walt Disney World rumors?
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Here is a link to the forum where you will find many threads to suit your needs (and if not, perhaps you could create one!).

This thread is a general discussion about things pertaining to and relating to Disney and it's subsidiary businesses - examples from recent posts here today, are things like ABC programming, folks/projects involved in or related to the Muppets, etc.

Have a magical day exploring!
 
Jones14

Jones14

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I'm certainly not on the "let's throw her to the dogs" train, but maybe a person who lives in constant battle with an illness that causes her to express offensive and hateful messages to everyone around her shouldn't be the star of a family-centered TV show. ABC seems to feel the same way. We can forgive Roseanne for the things she says while still holding her accountable for them.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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Kman101 said:
It was OK (and I'm glad I didn't pay for the ticket, lol).

I'd like to get to the root of why people hate Last Jedi.

I look at films a little differently I guess.

Meanwhile, I'm much more anticipating Christopher Robin.

Solo and especially Boba Fett aren't necessary. But it was better than I expected (still not a high praise). I think I'm just a little burnt out at the moment.
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The Last Jedi effectively trolled the viewer with build ups and then no payoffs. Viewers were victims of their own theories.
 
ProfSavage

ProfSavage

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RSoxNo1 said:
The Last Jedi effectively trolled the viewer with build ups and then no payoffs. Viewers were victims of their own theories.
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People complain that there's no background on how the First Order came to be and characters talk about Snoke like they know about him.... but the OT did the same thing for the Empire and Palpatine. No background, no explanations. Just here they are and they're evil and the antagonist. We eventually did get the background in the form of three movies, which were boring. The prequels were the work equivalent of "this could have been an email" meetings.
 
RSoxNo1

RSoxNo1

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lazyboy97o said:
How is making Snoke more politically powerful than Palpatine the viewers’ own theory? The movie establishes that and then just kills him off.
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I'm very confused how you took what I said and then went to that statement. I can't even say that you disagree with me, it was just a different point all together.

Forgive me because it's been a few months since I last watched The Last Jedi, but some of the build ups were:
Who is Snoke?
Who is Rey?
Who is Finn?
What has Luke been doing?

The answer to all of those were effectively "nothing" or "no one". I've listened to an interview with Rian Johnson after the fact and he basically said that he didn't anticipate the mystery of Snoke to be as big of a deal as it was. I also don't think Snoke's story is over.

The who is Rey question actually had an interesting and defensible answer. Similar to Luke, she hears the one thing she doesn't want to hear. For Luke the answer is that Vader is his father (spoiler alert) and with Rey she wants to be a part of this greater interconnected story, but isn't.

Admittedly, "who is Finn?" wasn't a big question, but his storyline with Rose was ultimately pointless, unless he sacrifices himself at the end to allow them to escape. Instead they gave that to Luke.

The Luke question really epitomizes the build up with no payoff. The Force Awakens ends with a reveal of Luke and Rey handing him back his light saber. He literally tosses it to the side for seemingly nothing more than a cheap laugh.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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rybarr87 said:
People complain that there's no background on how the First Order came to be and characters talk about Snoke like they know about him.... but the OT did the same thing for the Empire and Palpatine. No background, no explanations. Just here they are and they're evil and the antagonist. We eventually did get the background in the form of three movies, which were boring. The prequels were the work equivalent of "this could have been an email" meetings.
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It’s context. I think people would like to know how effectively a second Empire and Emperor came to be after the first was destroyed. Is that bad to want a little backstory for that? The first time around it wasn’t really needed because those were the first things established for this whole universe.
 
smile

smile

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RSoxNo1 said:
I've listened to an interview with Rian Johnson after the fact and he basically said that he didn't anticipate the mystery of Snoke to be as big of a deal as it was. I also don't think Snoke's story is over.
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it boggles my mind why anyone would care about something so obviously hollow
 
lazyboy97o

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Mike S said:
It’s context. I think people would like to know how effectively a second Empire and Emperor came to be after the first was destroyed. Is that bad to want a little backstory for that? The first time around it wasn’t really needed because those were the first things established for this whole universe.
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It’s not well communicated, but in The Force Awakens the First Order is not a new empire. It’s a little faction that the New Republic ignores and concerns Leia. They jump into importance because they are able to briefly get a weapon of mass destruction and use it against the Hosnian system.

It is The Last Jedi that instantaneously catapults the First Order into not just a new Empire, but a far more powerful Empire. The very first thing we learn in Star Wars is that “It is a period of civil war.” In his three decades or so as Chancellor and Emperor, Palpatine was never able to completely consolidate power. It took him roughly 20 years to finally dissolve the Senate. Systems such as Alderaan worked behind his back. He never stopped the civil war (Rebellion). He had to build two Death Stars to try to keep systems in line. All of that is just the core systems and not the anarchy of the Outer Rim. Snoke does all of that in a week, but he is somehow unimportant?
 
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ProfSavage

ProfSavage

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lazyboy97o said:
It’s not well communicated, but in The Force Awakens the First Order is not a new empire. It’s a little faction that the New Republic ignores and concerns Leia. They jump into importance because they are able to briefly get a weapon of mass destruction and use it against the Hosnian system.

It is The Last Jedi that instantaneously catapults the First Order into not just a new Empire, but a far more powerful Empire. The very first thing we learn in Star Wars is that “It is a period of civil war.” In his three decades or so as Chancellor and Emperor, Palpatine was never able to completely consolidate power. It took him roughly 20 years to finally dissolve the Senate. Systems such as Alderaan worked behind his back. He never stopped the civil war (Rebellion). He had to build two Death Stars to try to keep systems in line. All of that is just the core systems and not the anarchy of the Outer Rim. Snoke does all of that in a week, but he is somehow unimportant?
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Even in the The Last Jedi, we don’t see what is happening in the greater galaxy as a whole (Canto Bight doesn’t count, it’s in the Corporate Sector and filled with elites who can insulate themselves) so we don’t really know what systems the First Order has or doesn’t. The whole point of the movie is the First Order trying to wipe out the Resistance after decimating the New Republic. I think even Rey says if nothing is done, they can overrun the Galaxy in weeks. We haven’t seen that yet.

And we don’t know how many of the average First Order officers know of Snoke, since it seems Hux is for all intents and purposes the leader of the military arm of the First Order
 

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