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Stripes

Premium Member
I root for side Marvel characters more than I root for the new main Star Wars characters.
Honestly. I guess they just assumed that because they're fighting for the Resistance that people would connect with them. Nope. Luke was a great character you wanted to root for because he was an underdog and had a genuine reason for wanting to fight the Empire.

It's obvious they are trying to be different with this trilogy, but in doing so they created a story feels incredibly lazy.
 

Mike S

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Honestly. I guess they just assumed that because they're fighting for the Resistance that people would connect with them. Nope. Luke was a great character you wanted to root for because he was an underdog and had a genuine reason for wanting to fight the Empire.

It's obvious they are trying to be different with this trilogy, but in doing so they created a story feels incredibly lazy.
The way they’re being different is putting their #1 focus on trying to be diverse and progressive rather than on writing a good story or good characters. This can be seen in Solo as well with the new droid and it’s also why anyone can use the Force without training now as well. They go down their checklist and think it’s enough. I’m one of those people that really doesn’t care how diverse your movie is, I want good characters. Give me T’Challah over Finn any day of the week. That’s a character to root for. Hell, even Shuri.
 

Princess Leia

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...ers-infinity-war-fends-off-solo/#334fb61a70e9 Deadpool 2, which I really enjoyed, is paying the price of being right between an Avengers movie and a Star Wars movie. These 3 films are cannibalizing each other (I know D2 isn’t Disney, but if the Fox deal goes through, it will be). As the article states, the week before Memorial Day isn’t safe anymore, especially if another movie comes out the next week.

If I was Disney (or any other company), I would definitely take a look at what months typically underperform, then stick a big blockbuster there. February worked for Deadpool and Black Panther, and August was great for the first Guardians film. There’s far less competition in months like these (January is incredibly ripe for the picking, studios).
 

the.dreamfinder

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...ers-infinity-war-fends-off-solo/#334fb61a70e9 Deadpool 2, which I really enjoyed, is paying the price of being right between an Avengers movie and a Star Wars movie. These 3 films are cannibalizing each other (I know D2 isn’t Disney, but if the Fox deal goes through, it will be). As the article states, the week before Memorial Day isn’t safe anymore, especially if another movie comes out the next week.

If I was Disney (or any other company), I would definitely take a look at what months typically underperform, then stick a big blockbuster there. February worked for Deadpool and Black Panther, and August was great for the first Guardians film. There’s far less competition in months like these (January is incredibly ripe for the picking, studios).
“Zootopia” killed it in March ‘16 versus “Moana”, which has its knees cut off by “Sing”.
 

Princess Leia

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“Zootopia” killed it in March ‘16 versus “Moana”, which has its knees cut off by “Sing”.
I’ve got high hopes for Captain Marvel next year, as it’s being released in March (and the cast looks good)

Bumping Infinity War up a week was a great strategy move by Disney. Solo should have been pushed back a couple months to late July or early August, just to space out the Star Wars movies a bit better
 

Rteetz

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There’s better ways to do a swan song. Everyone knew Luke, Han, and Leia wouldn’t last forever but we thought they’d be treated better.
I liked the movie so I felt they did okay. Are there better ways? Sure.

I thought TLJ would have been a much better send off for Leia than Luke.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
BTW, is anyone else getting weird PMs from that gyro guy - the one who was all "aliens hate Christmas"? (Please say it's not just me. Please say it's not just me. Please say it's not just me.)

Yeah, I got one, too. But then again, I had joined in the discussion of incarnational xenosoteriology.
 
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Stripes

Premium Member
Did you folks see the Chinese thread invasion a couple weeks back?
Yeah, they keep returning too. Usually filling the forum around midnight Pacific Time. Sucks. Big thank you to the admins here for clearing it up before I wake up again :)
Glorious isn’t it? Maybe Disney will get a wake up call in time for Episode 9 to actually be good.
We can only hope, but I'm not holding my breath. A look at Iger's "likes" on Twitter will tell you all you need to know...
 

AEfx

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Unfortunately, the new Skywalker saga movies are filled with cringy acting across the board.

LOL the fanbois on various sites were absolutely devastated the actor playing Crylo didn't get an Oscar nomination for his performance, because they think that trembling and looking like a toddler about to cry is "great acting" hahahaha.
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
People hate it because of how they handled Luke and the force. There are some other smaller things people hate but thats basically it.
Bingo. That's how I see it and why people hate it. You came right out and said it, lol.

I've taken a different way of looking at things. Is it bad because I didn't like what they did, or is it bad because it really is "bad". It's not a 'bad' movie.

Honestly, I only think that was a small portion of the people who didn't like it because of Luke.

I can tell you very simply why I did not, and why I don't think it was a good film. There are two reasons - one, lack of follow-up to the previous film, and two, incoherent, implausible narrative.

TFA built up two things in particular - Rey's parentage and Snoke's origins - that were completely dismissed. Watching TFA, scene after scene teased these things (particularly the former), but even to the people who completely deny that (which befuddles the hell out of me how they can't see it, especially in Harrison's performance - he's not exactly a subtle actor), the publicity around the film (panels, articles, etc.) focused so heavily on those two things, only for them to be callously brushed aside.

It has *nothing* to do with "what I wanted to happen didn't happen" - that I had some attachment about *what* those answers were, I just wanted the answers that were endlessly teased.

(If there is ONE thing I wish people would get - it would be that - I didn't care who the hell Rey's parents were, or who Snoke turned out to be - especially since supposedly the original plan was to tie him into the prequels - but to say neither of them mattered after the entirety of TFA was just mind boggling. People argue now "well, we didn't need to know" - fine, then they shouldn't have spent two years building that shiz up!)

Now, even if you ignore all of that - the story beats of the film are just so implausible. I mean, just sequence out the events. The First Order is trailing behind the Resistance and inexplicably can't catch up to them. They go to hyper space, and begin another slow creep. A slow creep during which time Finn and Rose are able to go to an entirely different star system (apparently, they have fast ships that no one else has), have a whole side adventure (and take time to save those cute horseys!) - and return just as the same slow creep is happening.

And then, once everyone gets on the ground - inexplicably the First Order lands it slow as hell vehicles no where near where they know the Rebels are, only to have another slow creep.

(I highly recommend the "Everything Wrong" folks take on it - they are always amusing, but in this case they are so spot on it isn't even funny and even they skipped a lot of things - like why Holdo had to stay on the ship and they couldn't just leave a dang droid to do it.)

But okay...let's even forget about THAT...once you look at the timeline of the two films, you realize how laughable all the heightened emotion is. From the opening shot of TFA to the closing shot of TLJ, about ten days have passed. Ten days, where suddenly Crylo and MaryRay are two of the most deeply connected by the Force beings in the universe, MaryRay has gone from junk collector struggling to get her daily "portions" to Jedi Knight, Finn has gone from Stormtrooper to traitor and infiltrated the First Order again not once but TWICE, and fallen for two different girls (apparently, every girl he meets he falls for)...I could go on.

It's fine that people like it, I like some bad movies too - but man, TLJ just doesn't hold up to any type of scrutiny whatsoever. And this is coming from someone who defended the hell out of TFA for two years, because I didn't believe in all the criticisms of it, thinking that TLJ would answer those criticisms, instead of just making a movie that had nothing to do with what went on in it.
 

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