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doctornick

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The reason the MCU works and the reason Infinity War felt like a cash grab to you is that it is a cash grab. But, it is a cash grab that I like a lot. When I was reading a lot of comics (~1975-1995), a comic devoted to a specific hero or group would have a regular issue come out every month. Then, typically in the summer, a more expensive, longer, annual would come out. There would be a lot of cross over stuff in the annuals...Spider Man and the Wasp might appear in the Daredevil annual and to find out more about what they were doing a reader of Daredevil might pick those annuals up. Of course, in those annuals, other characters would appear and you get the idea. I think comics quit doing this in the mid or late 90s. Anyway, everyone knew these were big money makers, but fans LOVED them. Infinity War is essentially that annual after 18 earlier issues. This seems about right at the pace you can do movies. Actually, the rate at which these movies comes out is one of the many subtle things that make the MCU work. Instead of trying to Hollywoodize comics and super heroes, they did the opposite. What if we made the movies as much like the comics as humanly possible? What if we tell little stories more often? Also, like the comics, they just tweaked things a bit if it wasn't quite as big as a commercial or critical success as they wanted (see: Thor) instead of just giving up on the whole enterprise. People like me who liked comic books at some point in life intuitively recognize the formula and really like it. TBH, in many ways I consider the whole MCU quite a cinematic accomplishment. They've successfully created a textured, layered world where characters are very important (this is also important to comics because a drawn fight is only so interesting). They've created this universe so successfully that a giant outer space dwarf who uses a solar powered smithy and a talking raccoon are taken in stride. Visually, each of these movies has scenes where I can close my eyes and picture the panel or splash page (tons of splash pages in Infinity War, another annual feature). I would have had the urge to end Black Panther by turning the scene of BP and Killmonger watching the Wakandan sunset together into a comic book panel.

Anyway, as a 48 year old dude (I ain't Thor) I can understand the criticisms. As a regular reader of comics when I was younger, I really appreciate why this works.

Brilliant post and especially the highlighted. That gets the crux of how the MCU has succeeded IMHO -- by actually using the established comic book "formula" and directly adopting it for films. It's brilliant and yet simple. There's a reason why comic books have had an enduring role in the pop culture of the US and they've used that sensibility to entertain a mass audience who otherwise hasn't even realized they'd like that style of storytelling.

It's funny because Film Critic Hulk recently published a scathing article condemning Infinity War by being too much like comic book storytelling, when in fact I'd argue that capturing the essence of comic books is exactly why it works and resonates with some many people.
 

AEfx

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By the time we reached 19 movies, it should have been something along the lines of Transformers 5 quality or worse and it's way way above that. I kept thinking to myself as I was watching it that this movie shouldn't be this good.

Exactly. They have done an amazing job to keep it going this long, and for the quality to be not only maintained and even arguably gotten better in a lot of cases.

It's also a mistake to just label them as "comic book movies" at this point. That term has lost some of its meaning. Yes, the origins of these characters and stories are from comics. That is fair. But there is a surprising amount of variety in genres in these films.
 

djlaosc

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The only deaths that might be permanent are Loki, Heimdall, the Collector, and maybe Gamora. Everyone else from the snap are theorized to actually be stuck in the Soul Stone. I still felt for it though. They actually let Thanos win albeit temporarily.


Having just come back from California (and spent time catching up on various threads here... (spoilers for Infinity War and thoughts for Avengers 4...)

I thought it was interesting how they chose which characters to "die".

They "killed off" all of the new leads from Phase 3 (Dr Strange, Spider-Man, Black Panther), while keeping their supporting characters (Wong, Okoye, M'Baku, and potentially Shuri) - this will allow them to be more of a focus in Avengers 4, allowing for us to know them better, before their main characters are returned ready for the sequels (Spider-Man 2, Black Panther 2 - whenever it is confirmed).

They "killed" off most of the supporting characters from Phase 1 and 2 (White Wolf, Falcon, Scarlet Witch, Loki, Heimdall, Vision, Nick Fury, Maria Hill), while keeping their main characters (Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Black Widow) - this will allow them to be more of a focus in Avengers 4, as a swansong before their contracts end, and they are replaced by the supporting characters (assuming Captain America, Iron Man and Thor all leave at the end of Avengers 4).

The exception to the above is that War Machine is still alive, and they killed most of the Guardians of the Galaxy.

I would assume that the following will be additional main characters in Avengers 4:
•Captain Marvel,
•Hawkeye,
•Ant-Man,
•and potentially The Wasp,

But it would be nice for the following to also appear (even as a cameo - and with us being 17 characters and half of a Wakandan army down, surely there would be some screen-time available for them before everyone else comes back to nicely tie the whole MCU together before the Phase 4 reboot? It would also provide 10 additional "fighters" to replace the 13 "fighters" and half an army that we are down after Infinity War, as well as some support for Shuri (assuming that half of her team will have died as well)):
•Valkyrie,
•Korg,
•Nakia,
•Daredevil,
•Jessica Jones,
•Luke Cage,
•Iron Fist,
•The Punisher,
•Ghost Rider,
•Phil Coulson, Quake and the other Agents of SHIELD.
•I am discounting the Inhumans, the Runaways and Cloak & Dagger, as they would not have aired before last summer.

Not that I think that this would happen, but the first 3 and Phil would already be known to MCU Film Fans and The Defenders, The Punisher and even Ghost Rider would be easy enough to reintroduce to the film audience in a 5 minute scene of Captain Marvel contacting Phil, Phil saying "we need reinforcements" and then Phil speaking to the other SHIELD Agents on the Quinjet as they fly to New York to pick them up - similar to Phil introducing the other Avengers to Tony in his apartment in first Avengers film.

I have not yet seen the second half of Agents of SHIELD Season 5, but given the fact that Season 6 will not air until after Avengers 4 - they could possibly do something with them in Avengers 4.


Regarding California, it was weird watching Infinity War and then riding Mission Breakout a couple of days later, as although they are set in different Universes (MCU v MTPU), currently 86% of the main Mission Breakout cast are currently dead in the MCU (6/7 - only Rocket is still alive in the MCU).
 

Dunston

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Audio interview with Time Delaney discussing his time with Disney, and the development of Discoveryland in particular, at length. Really worth a listen:


That channel is the most legit and least irritating Disney Parks YouTube channel (other than that Martin guy). My big complaint however is that the dude loves bashing Micheal Eisner a tad too much, when he did far more good than harm.
 

the.dreamfinder

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That channel is the most legit and least irritating Disney Parks YouTube channel (other than that Martin guy). My big complaint however is that the dude loves bashing Micheal Eisner a tad too much, when he did far more good than harm.
“The Failure of Euro Disneyland”

Don’t make me turn this car around!
 

nevol

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Eisner had one good decade in Orlando before he set the parks on a 30 year voyage of redemption for his mistakes.

Company wide, he architected the walt disney company we know today, which is a good thing when it is a good thing, but it obviously isn't perfect.
 

HMF

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Changed up story line, refurbed AAs, new affects, etc.

I love how Tom Fitzgerald says he’s hard at work in California on this yet he’s wearing a magicband...
I thought Fitz was in charge of Epcot now. What's he doing in a video about DLP?
 

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