A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

[Jones14]

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Yikes.

It’s a shame. For my money, Solo was easily the superior movie. Hopefully it’ll gain some legs through word of mouth.

 

[MisterPenguin]

It’s a shame. For my money, Solo was easily the superior movie. Hopefully it’ll gain some legs through word of mouth.

It should...

The CinemaScore of A- is an indication it has 'legs' (the whole purpose of the CinemaScore is to evalute long term success based on initial polling of the audience). Same with the PostTrack's "Recommend" score of 73% (lower than TLJ's 82%, but still pretty good).

The users' rating on RottenTomates has gone from a 55 on Thursday to a 59 now. IMDB's user's score went from 70 to 72. As people see the movie, they're giving it a rating much higher than the initial haters who want to burn the whole franchise down and start anew, and so, those scores have been going up.

The critical scores haven't moved, and they're OK, but not as good as... ready for it?... as well liked as TLJ was among critics.

While it's possible the Box Office will be terribly weak, it's also possible for it to have legs with word of mouth. Remember, we had haters doing a jig with how poorly Spider-Man Homecoming and TLJ was doing... initially. But then, over time, they made their money's worth.

No one should be writing an obituary yet.

 

[Stripes]

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Yikes.

That's the effect of TLJ in action. If I were Disney I'd be worried about Episode 9.

 

[britain]

That's the effect of TLJ in action. If I were Disney I'd be worried about Episode 9.

No, it’s not. See my lengthy post above. I would be very glad “climax to main saga” Ep 9 is next, that TFA JJ is at the helm, that it’s slated for a December release, AND that it’s 18 months away. All factors in its favor.

If I were involved with Kenobi or Boba Fett I might be worried.

 

[Stripes]

No, it’s not. See my lengthy post above. I would be very glad “climax to main saga” Ep 9 is next, that TFA JJ is at the helm, that it’s slated for a December release, AND that it’s 18 months away. All factors in its favor.

If I were involved with Kenobi or Boba Fett I might be worried.

I can see your point with regard to Solo, but I'm still worried, for many reasons, about Episode 9.

 

[peter11435]

That's the effect of TLJ in action. If I were Disney I'd be worried about Episode 9.

Solos performance has everything to do with solo and very little to do with TLJ.

 

[doctornick]

For me, I never connected with Rey, Finn, or Poe. There's nothing that makes me want to root for those characters. That's just me though.

I actually rather loved Rey and Finn in TFA and felt they had a really strong characterization base for the new trilogy. But TLJ (which I generally enjoyed) did nothing to further their characters and I though Finn horribly regressed.

That's probably the biggest thing IMHO they need to learn from Marvel Studios -- build characters that people love and want to see and it makes it a heck of a lot easier to sustain a franchise and make successful sequels.

 

[doctornick]

It’s a shame. For my money, Solo was easily the superior movie. Hopefully it’ll gain some legs through word of mouth.

I liked Solo a lot more than Rogue One. Actually Rogue One is my least favorite of the Disney made films. Speaking of characterizations, I didn't give a crap about anyone in Rogue One and felt nothing when then died (well except K-2SO, I was sad for him).

I would have preferred if Solo were the same film but not with Han Solo as the lead but a generic/new character instead. It was generally a decent popcorn film, but I feel the biggest draw back for me was always feeling like "would Han Solo really be behaving like that?". I liked Lando though among the callback characters.

 

[Bairstow]

I liked Solo a lot more than Rogue One. Actually Rogue One is my least favorite of the Disney made films. Speaking of characterizations, I didn't give a crap about anyone in Rogue One and felt nothing when then died (well except K-2SO, I was sad for him).

A CGI-heavy special effects movie like Rogue One is extremely tedious to sit through when it's impossible to care about the people on screen.

 

[Jones14]

I liked Solo a lot more than Rogue One. Actually Rogue One is my least favorite of the Disney made films. Speaking of characterizations, I didn't give a crap about anyone in Rogue One and felt nothing when then died (well except K-2SO, I was sad for him).

I would have preferred if Solo were the same film but not with Han Solo as the lead but a generic/new character instead. It was generally a decent popcorn film, but I feel the biggest draw back for me was always feeling like "would Han Solo really be behaving like that?". I liked Lando though among the callback characters.

Rogue One is also my least favorite. For all of the problems the others have, I care enough to have problems with and defend them. I’m sort of ambivalent towards Rogue One.

On Solo, I’m ready for a Qi’ra movie sans Han. Not to say I didn’t enjoy it (I was pleasantly surprised), but her arc is something I want to see more of in Star Wars.

 

[britain]

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced the stand-alone films need to not stand-too-far-alone. The surprise cameo in Solo helps a great deal, but what if there were... I don't know, something like Qi'ra says something like she's going to find family that live on Jakku. I'm totally making this up, but if there were arrows pointing forward to upcoming new episodes, not just pointing to the original trilogy, then there'd be more of that "Well I better see this one too" like the Marvel movies have.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

This may be of interest
https://redef.com/original/5aef1f891e5d473edfd9a3ff?curator=MediaREDEF

 

[Princess Leia]

This may be of interest
https://redef.com/original/5aef1f891e5d473edfd9a3ff?curator=MediaREDEF

That’s a pretty decent article.

 

[JoeCamel]

I think Walt would be very happy with the success of the film segment. He liked making movies.

 

[Mike S]

LOL the fanbois on various sites were absolutely devastated the actor playing Crylo didn't get an Oscar nomination for his performance, because they think that trembling and looking like a toddler about to cry is "great acting" hahahaha.

I say Mark Hamill deserves an Oscar for commiting to a part he’s been on record saying he disagreed with.

Honestly, I only think that was a small portion of the people who didn't like it because of Luke.

I can tell you very simply why I did not, and why I don't think it was a good film. There are two reasons - one, lack of follow-up to the previous film, and two, incoherent, implausible narrative.

TFA built up two things in particular - Rey's parentage and Snoke's origins - that were completely dismissed. Watching TFA, scene after scene teased these things (particularly the former), but even to the people who completely deny that (which befuddles the hell out of me how they can't see it, especially in Harrison's performance - he's not exactly a subtle actor), the publicity around the film (panels, articles, etc.) focused so heavily on those two things, only for them to be callously brushed aside.

It has *nothing* to do with "what I wanted to happen didn't happen" - that I had some attachment about *what* those answers were, I just wanted the answers that were endlessly teased.

(If there is ONE thing I wish people would get - it would be that - I didn't care who the hell Rey's parents were, or who Snoke turned out to be - especially since supposedly the original plan was to tie him into the prequels - but to say neither of them mattered after the entirety of TFA was just mind boggling. People argue now "well, we didn't need to know" - fine, then they shouldn't have spent two years building that shiz up!)

Now, even if you ignore all of that - the story beats of the film are just so implausible. I mean, just sequence out the events. The First Order is trailing behind the Resistance and inexplicably can't catch up to them. They go to hyper space, and begin another slow creep. A slow creep during which time Finn and Rose are able to go to an entirely different star system (apparently, they have fast ships that no one else has), have a whole side adventure (and take time to save those cute horseys!) - and return just as the same slow creep is happening.

And then, once everyone gets on the ground - inexplicably the First Order lands it slow as hell vehicles no where near where they know the Rebels are, only to have another slow creep.

(I highly recommend the "Everything Wrong" folks take on it - they are always amusing, but in this case they are so spot on it isn't even funny and even they skipped a lot of things - like why Holdo had to stay on the ship and they couldn't just leave a dang droid to do it.)

But okay...let's even forget about THAT...once you look at the timeline of the two films, you realize how laughable all the heightened emotion is. From the opening shot of TFA to the closing shot of TLJ, about ten days have passed. Ten days, where suddenly Crylo and MaryRay are two of the most deeply connected by the Force beings in the universe, MaryRay has gone from junk collector struggling to get her daily "portions" to Jedi Knight, Finn has gone from Stormtrooper to traitor and infiltrated the First Order again not once but TWICE, and fallen for two different girls (apparently, every girl he meets he falls for)...I could go on.

It's fine that people like it, I like some bad movies too - but man, TLJ just doesn't hold up to any type of scrutiny whatsoever. And this is coming from someone who defended the hell out of TFA for two years, because I didn't believe in all the criticisms of it, thinking that TLJ would answer those criticisms, instead of just making a movie that had nothing to do with what went on in it.

They also teased a connection between Luke and Rey. Now, I haven’t seen TFA recently, but if I recall correctly in the scene where she’s handing him his Lightsaber they both had tears in their eyes. In TLJ this is just thrown aside quite literally.

For those who deride any woke direction of Star Wars in the recent films, may I remind you of a scene from A New Hope...

"We don't serve their kind here."​

If you don't know that that is an allusion to...

And it was extremely subtle rather than being shoved at you. Also, it wasn’t the main big goal of the movie being trotted all over Hollywood.

It should...

The CinemaScore of A- is an indication it has 'legs' (the whole purpose of the CinemaScore is to evalute long term success based on initial polling of the audience). Same with the PostTrack's "Recommend" score of 73% (lower than TLJ's 82%, but still pretty good).

The users' rating on RottenTomates has gone from a 55 on Thursday to a 59 now. IDMB's user's score went from 70 to 72. As people see the movie, they're giving it a rating much higher than the initial haters who want to burn the whole franchise down and start anew, and so, those scores have been going up.

The critical scores haven't moved, and they're OK, but not as good as... ready for it?... as well liked as TLJ was among critics.

While it's possible the Box Office will be terribly weak, it's also possible for it to have legs with word of mouth. Remember, we had haters doing a jig with how poorly Spider-Man Homecoming and TLJ was doing... initially. But then, over time, they made their money's worth.

No one should be writing an obituary yet.

TLJ made me wary of critic scores. Now I stick to the audience of people paying to watch the movie rather than the ones being paid to watch it. Also, there’s plenty of movies out there people love but critics hate.

 

[Stripes]

TLJ made me wary of critic scores. Now I stick to the audience of people paying to watch the movie rather than the ones being paid to watch it. Also, there’s plenty of movies out there people love but critics hate.

This is very true but Cinemascore and Posttrak poll actual people coming out of the theater, so I'm inclined to trust those two. Then again, Cinemascore gave TLJ an "A"...so maybe not that much.

 

[doctornick]

The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced the stand-alone films need to not stand-too-far-alone. The surprise cameo in Solo helps a great deal, but what if there were... I don't know, something like Qi'ra says something like she's going to find family that live on Jakku. I'm totally making this up, but if there were arrows pointing forward to upcoming new episodes, not just pointing to the original trilogy, then there'd be more of that "Well I better see this one too" like the Marvel movies have.

I actually disagree with this. I find the fanservice-y things to really pull down the stand alone films. I was rolling my eyes with

Spoiler

the Maul cameo.

To me, the stand alone films would be far better served by expanding the SW universe, not making it smaller by having so many seemingly independent things being connected.

Are they really planning Obi Wan and Boba Fett films? I mean, can't they do something new like an Old Republic one or a Jedi film set before their prequel in their heyday or something. There are so many more characters to explore and learn about.

 

[Princess Leia]

I actually disagree with this. I find the fanservice-y things to really pull down the stand alone films. I was rolling my eyes with

Spoiler

the Maul cameo.

To me, the stand alone films would be far better served by expanding the SW universe, not making it smaller by having so many seemingly independent things being connected.

Are they really planning Obi Wan and Boba Fett films? I mean, can't they do something new like an Old Republic one or a Jedi film set before their prequel in their heyday or something. There are so many more characters to explore and learn about.

The Boba movie has a director attached.

 

[AEfx]

While it's possible the Box Office will be terribly weak, it's also possible for it to have legs with word of mouth. Remember, we had haters doing a jig with how poorly Spider-Man Homecoming and TLJ was doing... initially. But then, over time, they made their money's worth.

No one should be writing an obituary yet.

Uh, the final weekend numbers are starting to take shape. It is pretty much a done deal.

Even Disney says it is just barely going to break 100M domestically, down from their 130M to 150M projections. It looks like it is going to end around 101M. And that is if it has a good day tomorrow.

That includes a four-day-weekend - if they didn't have that, it would have been even worse.

And overseas (where it opened pretty much everywhere) it *was* even worse - 47M worldwide.

Basically, opening weekend is barely going to make HALF what Rogue One did - a movie that starred a bunch of new characters that no one ever heard of before.

"Solo" has pretty much officially bombed based on its budget. Current estimates are that it cost "well north of 300M" with all the reshoots, and when you add in Hollywood math (roughly the same amount spent on P&R), there is no way the film is going to even make back its costs, let alone turn a profit.

There is just no positive way to spin this.

 

[Rteetz]

Uh, the final weekend numbers are starting to take shape. It is pretty much a done deal.

Even Disney says it is just barely going to break 100M domestically, down from their 130M to 150M projections. It looks like it is going to end around 101M. And that is if it has a good day tomorrow.

That includes a four-day-weekend - if they didn't have that, it would have been even worse.

And overseas (where it opened pretty much everywhere) it *was* even worse - 47M worldwide.

Basically, opening weekend is barely going to make HALF what Rogue One did - a movie that starred a bunch of new characters that no one ever heard of before.

"Solo" has pretty much officially bombed based on its budget. Current estimates are that it cost "well north of 300M" with all the reshoots, and when you add in Hollywood math (roughly the same amount spent on P&R), there is no way the film is going to even make back its costs, let alone turn a profit.

There is just no positive way to spin this.

Bomb or not that doesn’t mean it’s a terrible film. Most of the reviews say it’s a fun good movie. I have yet to see it for a few reasons none of which have to do with fatigue or disliking TLJ.