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A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

WDWTank

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The sad thing about parodying Disney is that reality will always catch up with it. :(

TWDC is a barbaric horde of greedos intent to replace Disney parks with Disney parks (no typo) and thereby destroy what made them great. What is the current score?

We have Depp infestation in what was the world's greatest Pirates (and not DL!)
Upcharge events are creeping up from every direction faster than zombies at UNI's Halloween Horror fest.
DLP is blissfully devoid, mostly, of being unceremoniously dumped into giftshops after rides. Surely this will be rectified.
The movie park attraction celebrating Hollywood and classic movies is being replaced by the Disney property attraction (where have we heard this before)
Star Wars sprawl all over two parks (there may be no Iron Man in Verne's Nautilus yet, but there is a Darth Vader in his Hyperion!)
Speaking of Star crawl: Starbuckses popping up all over the place, replacing unique venues.
When I take full control of TWDC, everything will be restored back to a purposeful, non-advertisement state. Although I would keep Depp in POTC WDW only because all the other pirates go to jail, but Captain Jack Sparrow gets away with it all! It's a great example of balance without ruining the ride (hopefully they won't tip the scale!). :)
 

jaxonp

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So while we’re on the subject of SW:GE, how about the scale of the land? Haven’t been following ShesInLosAngeles video updates for a couple of months, so I decided to watch her lastest dispatches...

OH MY GOD, THIS LAND IS GOING TO BREAK DISNEYLAND!!

Even if you account for her perspective from the top of Mickey and Friends, this land is going to look over the park even more dramatically than I had feared. Sure they built a berm and planted pine trees, with more on the way, but SW:GE will be visible inside the park and guests will feel the difference in scale between Disneyland proper and it.

Edit: Have any locals been to DL since it was topped out?

So what? You can see the Matterhorn from everywhere... we've survived that.
 

Travel Junkie

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Even if you account for her perspective from the top of Mickey and Friends, this land is going to look over the park even more dramatically than I had feared. Sure they built a berm and planted pine trees, with more on the way, but SW:GE will be visible inside the park and guests will feel the difference in scale between Disneyland proper and it.

Edit: Have any locals been to DL since it was topped out?
As of now it's actually not that bad. Not all of the spires have been constructed, but unless you are on the the top level of the Mark Twain, you can't see anything but the tops of the spires, which actually should blend in with Frontierland.
 

trojanjustin

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Frozen was indeed huge and is loved by girls of all ages, Yet what does Disney do with it. Cardboard Olaf on a stick. They could use Frozen in the parks with no issues yet they refuse to and turn themselves inside out trying to Shoehorn MARVEL crap where it does not belong

Only OLC is spending the money to give Frozen the attraction it DESERVES.
Frozen is also highly over-saturated. The show at DLR is basically running half-empty most of the time. The attraction in Florida is a hit, largely because there isn't any other worthwhile attractions, save Soarin' and Test Track, at Epcot.
 

NearTheEars

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50's Prime time is truly one of the best restaurants in WDW not only for food, but for service. Definitely not a good first impression of that restaurant.
I'm definitely not going to write it off. Everyone always talks about how fun it can be. Just bad luck this time I think.
 

doctornick

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Another criticism would be how much this project is going out of its way to, unlike WWoHP, not take you into places from the SW universe, but to create a new and related realm. How would Potter have fared if you didn't go to Hogwarts and drink butterbeer in the Three Broomsticks and buy a wand at Ollivander's? Bob Iger wants a world 'based' on 'his' SW universe, but not necessarily taking place in it.
I don't doubt the motivation behind it, but I generally view this as a good thing. Unhindered with having to conform to pre-determined locations and concepts should allow the creatives at WDI to have the freedom to create something better suited for a theme park. Ironically, this will hurt Disney in terms of the nostalgia/familiarity factor, but the land will be popular enough that I don't think that will matter in terms of being crowd pleasing.
 

disneylandcm

Active Member
Spirited Quick Hits (Because I Don't Have the Energy for Multiple Quickees right now!):

DPB had some sorta event at DCA involving NASA, WDI and Marvel and ... as usual ... every blogger or Disney Twit in existence was there.

Speaking of bloggers, do they have a secret lair (like the Batcave, only smaller, smellier and way less kewl) where they discuss where they have to be? Like this year we'll all skip the Run Disney event at DLP because we must 'cover' the new HalloweenTime stuff at DCA?

Saw people discussing a massive amount of UNI-FLA projects coming and all I can say is -- much like all the WDW projects -- not so fast. A good third of what is being talked about either won't happen or will but many moons from now.

I hear people are making all sorts of predictions about the UK attraction for EPCOT. Good to see some people are braver than others.

Yes, 'tis true. Bob Iger and Co descended on DLP this week because ... well, because it hasn't been utterly destroyed yet by the IP parade. I've said it before and it deserves repeating, but DLP's financial issues over the years have prevented it from being ripped apart like other beloved parks. Indeed, rip out Buzz Lightyear and the park is still thematically as true as it was on Day 1 except, perhaps, merchandise.

Why was Bob there? Simple. To go over current plans for the resort and get final pitches on some major projects likely to be approved soon. Looks like most will be things we've already known with a greater Marvel presence in WDSP at the forefront. I doubt very much that we'll see Pandora in this park, even if that has been the plan dating to 2011.

Got a laugh out of Disney Blogger to the Stars, @WDWFigment 's, post about staying at CBR now. Amazing that Disney refuses to simply shutter the place until 2019 or offer rooms for $50 a night. Nope. Not their style. People who are staying there now are insane. Oh, also had to laugh at Tom's naivete thinking those rooms would be $300 in 2019. He must have meant Pop Century. CBR will be looking at $400-500 rooms.

Oh, the EPCOT Winter (but not Holiday) Food and Wine Fest will be daily in 2018? Who could have ever seen that one coming?

Turmoil on multiple Star Wars films? No, you don't say.

I just love Jimmy Kimmel. What a great entertainer and a better person.

Back to SW, have heard lots of criticism of Galaxy's Edge from people inside and while I wish I could share, I can't. But one thing that was said to me was something I have been thinking about and that is how "dirty and grimy" the land will be. That might work in a third gate in the swamps. But it certainly will stand out in Anaheim ... in Walt's park.

Another criticism would be how much this project is going out of its way to, unlike WWoHP, not take you into places from the SW universe, but to create a new and related realm. How would Potter have fared if you didn't go to Hogwarts and drink butterbeer in the Three Broomsticks and buy a wand at Ollivander's? Bob Iger wants a world 'based' on 'his' SW universe, but not necessarily taking place in it.

Oh, and as little regard as you might have for Toy Story Land, you might even want to temper that back a bit.

Makes me nostalgic for a simpler era like this
... yeah, I know, no FP, no Anna and Elsa, no timeshares, no ECVs, no Thor and Gamora, no Rey and Chewie etc etc. That's my Disney, not today's. Good thing TDR still exists (for how long?)

How did Dakota get into SDL's Club 33? I did get an invite myself ... weeks after I had visited but still ... (and y'all know how jealous I am of bloggers and Tweeters and the like because my fans tell you this and they know me!)

Don't know why people are insisting Moana is going into Tiki Room in FL. Also, some Brit blogger/personality credited this site with breaking the news that it was flying away and ... and ... then gave credit for the story to that bloke @marni1971?!?!? What do you have to do in 2017 to be properly credited for anything in the fan world?

Next thing you know Brooks Barnes will be ... oh, that already happened.

Lots of Anaheim news ... and no one either knows what is going on or sees fit to write about it.

Finally, apologies to the four of you here that I owe notes to. I just have not had time. Hopefully, this weekend I will.
Please share the Anaheim news.
 

choco choco

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Another criticism would be how much this project is going out of its way to, unlike WWoHP, not take you into places from the SW universe, but to create a new and related realm. How would Potter have fared if you didn't go to Hogwarts and drink butterbeer in the Three Broomsticks and buy a wand at Ollivander's? Bob Iger wants a world 'based' on 'his' SW universe, but not necessarily taking place in it.
The making up of a new realm is the saving grace of this entire project. It means Imagineering will have to actually do some old-school imagineering again - actually making up and crafting settings and places - rather than blatantly copying sets from a movie.
 
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choco choco

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Even if you account for her perspective from the top of Mickey and Friends, this land is going to look over the park even more dramatically than I had feared. Sure they built a berm and planted pine trees, with more on the way, but SW:GE will be visible inside the park and guests will feel the difference in scale between Disneyland proper and it.

Edit: Have any locals been to DL since it was topped out?
I went yesterday. No, the peak doesn't loom over the park, mainly because they've carefully placed it such that there's no clear view toward it from nearly anywhere in Disneyland proper.

The contrast in scale while in Star Wars Land from the rest of Disneyland is an epic fail. Andy Castro's criticism of this is the best critique that could ever be said about this issue.
 

brb1006

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Also new things coming for Tokyo Disneyland's 35th Anniversary.

URAYASU, CHIBA—Tokyo Disney Resort® has announced the entertainment, special events and programs to be offered during the “Tokyo Disney Resort 35th ‘Happiest Celebration!’” taking place from April 15, 2018 through March 25, 2019. This major celebration marks the 35th Anniversary of the Grand Opening of Tokyo Disneyland® Park. Guests visiting the Tokyo Disneyland and Tokyo DisneySea® Parks will be able to experience the happiest time ever with the Disney Friends and Cast Members during this milestone year.

Kicking off the celebration at Tokyo Disneyland Park will be the premiere of “Dreaming Up!,” a brand new daytime parade, and the reopening of the iconic attraction “it’s a small world” after being temporarily closed for extensive enhancements. Then in summer, “Celebrate! Tokyo Disneyland” will premiere. This new nighttime spectacular at Cinderella Castle will feature more new effects and a grander scale than ever before. A special theme song created just for the 35th Anniversary will be used in various programs.

Over the anniversary year at both Parks, Guests will find elements of “Tokyo Disney Resort 35th Anniversary ‘Happiest Celebration!’” in the special events for Easter, Halloween and Christmas,as well as in other exciting programs. In addition, not only will Guests discover special merchandise and special menu items just for the 35th anniversary, but also a special shop opening at Tokyo Disneyland for a limited period only. The Disney hotels and the Disney Resort Line will also celebrate the event, adding to the excitement around Tokyo Disney Resort. Tokyo Disneyland Park opened its gates on April 15, 1983 and grew from a single theme park into a resort that includes Tokyo DisneySea Park, four Disney Hotels and more.

Tokyo Disney Resort 35th “Happiest Celebration!”

Disney Resort has continued to be a place filled with happy moments where people of all ages can have magical experiences, a place “where dreams come true.” In 2018, Tokyo Disney Resort will create even more happiness and even brighter dreams as it celebrates 35 years of fun and joy with the “Happiest Celebration!” Please see the attachment for more details on “Tokyo Disney Resort 35th ‘Happiest Celebration!’” For inquiries from the general public, please give the following contact number: Tokyo Disney Resort Information Center 0570-00-8632 (9:00 a.m. – 7:00 p.m.) Note: From overseas, and from some mobile phones and IP phones, please call 045-330-5211.

Programs to be Presented in Fiscal Year 2018 at Tokyo Disneyland and Tokyo DisneySea Parks

Starting April 15, 2018

Daytime Parade at Tokyo Disneyland “Dreaming Up!” Kicking off the “Tokyo Disney Resort 35th ‘Happiest Celebration!’” is the premiere of this grand daytime parade. Spectacular floats brimming with the colors, dreams and imagination of Disney films will feature characters and images from Fantasia, Beauty and the Beast, Peter Pan and more, including for the first time Big Hero Six. Mickey Mouse and his Disney Friends will take Guests to this world of dreams.

Dreaming Up!” will be sponsored by NTT Docomo, Inc. Happiness Is Here,” the daytime parade currently presented at Tokyo Disneyland, will end on April 9, 2018.



Starting April 15, 2018

Tokyo Disneyland Attraction “it’s a small world” Re-opening A favorite with Guests of all ages, the newly enhanced attraction will feature around 40 new figures representing characters from Disney films. The attraction’s iconic soundtrack will be remixed with additional music that evokes memorable scenes from the films. As before, Guests board boats for the “happiest cruise that ever sailed ’round the world” and are welcomed by doll-like children andanimals. Elsa, Anna and Olaf from the Disney film Frozen join the cast, together with characters from other Disney films including Alice in Wonderland, Cinderella, Peter Pan, Tangled, Mulan, Aladdin and The Lion King. to greet Guests. at Tokyo Disneyland “it’s a small world” is sponsored by NTT Nippon Express Co., Ltd. and will offer the Disney FASTPASS service.

April 15, 2018 – March 25, 2019

Greeting on the harbor at Tokyo DisneySea [Title to be announced] Dressed in their special costumes for the 35th Anniversary, Mickey Mouse and other “it’s a small world” Disney characters, including Duffy and Friends, will greet Guests from on board a special boat on the waters of Mediterranean Harbor. The greeting will take place to the music of the 35th anniversary theme song.

Starting July 10, 2018

Nighttime Spectacular at Tokyo Disneyland “Celebrate! Tokyo Disneyland” Premiering this summer is this new entertainment presented on a grand scale. The show will feature fountains of water and lights filling the nighttime sky in addition to the colorful images projected onto Cinderella Castle. The show begins with Mickey Mouse appearing on stage and a magical spell that turns the castle into a world of imagination. Guests will experience various areas of Tokyo Disneyland through images and music.

Starting July 10, 2018

New Show at Theater Orleans at Tokyo Disneyland [Title to be announced] A new show featuring Mickey Mouse and his pals will premiere at this open-air theater in Adventureland. Guests and the Disney Friends will share the excitement as lively music plays. During the 35th Anniversary event period, the show will also feature the 35th Anniversary theme song and other elements.

Starting July 10, 2018

New Show at Dockside Stage at Tokyo DisneySea [Title to be announced] The Dockside Stage in the New York area of American Waterfront will offer a new show with Mickey Mouse and his pals. Guests will be able to enjoy the ambience of this themed port through this show which will also feature the 35th Anniversary theme song and other elements during the 35th Anniversary event period. Performances of “Steps to Shine,” the show currently being presented, will end on March 19, 2018.

January 11 to March 25, 2019

At Tokyo Disneyland and Tokyo DisneySea “Tokyo Disney Resort 35th ‘Happiest Celebration!’” Grand Finale The Grand Finale of this milestone celebration, which ends on March 25, 2019, will immerse Guests at Tokyo Disneyland and Tokyo DisneySea in an ambience celebrating all the happy feelings generated over the anniversary year. Merchandise exclusive to the Grand Finale will add to the excitement of the 35th.
 

nevol

Well-Known Member
Yes, 'tis true. Bob Iger and Co descended on DLP this week because ... well, because it hasn't been utterly destroyed yet by the IP parade. I've said it before and it deserves repeating, but DLP's financial issues over the years have prevented it from being ripped apart like other beloved parks. Indeed, rip out Buzz Lightyear and the park is still thematically as true as it was on Day 1 except, perhaps, merchandise.

Why was Bob there? Simple. To go over current plans for the resort and get final pitches on some major projects likely to be approved soon. Looks like most will be things we've already known with a greater Marvel presence in WDSP at the forefront. I doubt very much that we'll see Pandora in this park, even if that has been the plan dating to 2011.

Lots of Anaheim news ... and no one either knows what is going on or sees fit to write about it.
I need to visit Paris asap.

Anaheim news always has me shooketh. As far as GE being too gritty for Disneyland, I think it will come down to Tomorrowland offsetting the dystopian/extraterrestrial/fantasy vibe of Star Wars by taking the land in a very different direction than its current form. Can WDI do it? Hopefully they start the project after 2019.
 

nevol

Well-Known Member
When I take full control of TWDC, everything will be restored back to a purposeful, non-advertisement state. Although I would keep Depp in POTC WDW only because all the other pirates go to jail, but Captain Jack Sparrow gets away with it all! It's a great example of balance without ruining the ride (hopefully they won't tip the scale!). :)
I disagree. He just sort of sits there on the lift hill at the end of the ride at Disneyland and says "buy more of my S*** at the gift shop!"
 

TP2000

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The most guests will see of it is the tippy top of the rock spires. @TP2000 can you speak to this?
You rang?

I certainly can speak to this. We've been talking about it a lot over on the Disneyland side here. You can't see this rocky spire from Frontierland, Fantasyland or New Orleans Square. You catch a glimpse of it through the trees in Critter Country if you stand in the right spot and know where to look. You see it very clearly in Mickey's Toontown looming above Gadget's Go Coaster.

But everyone seems most worried about Frontierland, where it is completely invisible. A couple weeks ago, as the mesh was being applied to the upper rocky spires, I took a trip on all three rivercraft; the Canoes, the Columbia, and the Mark Twain. From the Canoes, sitting two feet above the waterline, you can't see a thing of Star Wars. Same for the lowest level of the Mark Twain, standing six feet above the water line. And the college guy CM at the front of the canoe was too busy telling bad moose jokes to mention Star Wars anyway.

From the Columbia and the middle Promenade Deck of the Mark Twain, standing about 15 feet above the water line, you catch a glimpse very briefly if you are looking in the right spot just before you get to the Indian Village. From the topmost deck of the Mark Twain about 22 feet above the waterline, it's the most visible, but only for about 90 seconds as the boat makes the turn just before the Indian Village.

In short, the whole online freakout about Star Wars being visible from other lands in Disneyland is much ado about nothing. Which is hysterical to watch playout, because the same Disneyland fans seemingly don't care about that giant Swiss mountain that has loomed over everything in Walt Disney's Magic Kingdom for 58 years.



But a few peekaboo rocky spires behind Frontierland?!? Call out the National Guard! :cool:
 
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nevol

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I don't doubt the motivation behind it, but I generally view this as a good thing. Unhindered with having to conform to pre-determined locations and concepts should allow the creatives at WDI to have the freedom to create something better suited for a theme park. Ironically, this will hurt Disney in terms of the nostalgia/familiarity factor, but the land will be popular enough that I don't think that will matter in terms of being crowd pleasing.
Agreed. It incidentally makes the theme park adaptation more creative than the film. Think about how much pressure there is when writing, directing a star wars episode, versus this land, which is able to deviate. It basically inverts all the other IP adaptation limitations.
 

Jones14

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On the Star Wars Land front, I have to say that the land being grimy isn't anything to be surprised about. One of the things that distinguished Star Wars from its peers from the beginning was that the universe looked lived-in (which includes some grime), especially in the original trilogy.

That's yet another strike against its placement in Disneyland proper, but personal feelings aside, it's no different than the prayer flags in Everest's queue or the crumbling plaster on the Hollywood Tower Hotel, and is one of the things that will help sell the immersion.

On Toy Story Land... yikes is all I can say. What else can possibly go wrong?
 
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