A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

AEfx

AEfx

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Princess Leia said:
Everyone repeat after me- “Just because it works for Harry Potter and the Avengers does not mean it will work for another film.” Deathly Hallows needed it- that book had practically zero subplot, but somehow things were still cut despite being split into two films. Avengers is telling two chapters of a story, and while we haven’t watched the second half, the first film made the case for the split due to the character moments and developments.
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Right, but we are talking about a film that is being written and rewritten as we speak (even as they have started filming).

There was no "source material" just the mess that was left over after TLJ. To be honest, the more I think about it the more it makes sense - with J.J. returning, many of us said we couldn't figure out how he could do it - does he try to get things back on track and continue the story of TFA, or does he try to follow-up on TLJ ignoring TFA like it did?

As silly as it sounds to break up an "episode" into two parts, I can see that mess a lot easier to get out of with two more films versus cramming it all into one. The prequels may have been better had Lucas done the same thing back then.

I mean, the main cast didn't even get together in the same place at the same time until the last scene of TLJ. And look how criminally underused Phasma has been. We still don't know a turd about the Knights of Ren.

Without Carrie (though I am happy they are doing more with her than originally stated), my passion for the entire thing just isn't there, but I can clearly see how breaking it up into two might actually be the only way to save the Skywalker saga.
 
Rodan75

Rodan75

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AEfx said:
Right, but we are talking about a film that is being written and rewritten as we speak (even as they have started filming).

There was no "source material" just the mess that was left over after TLJ. To be honest, the more I think about it the more it makes sense - with J.J. returning, many of us said we couldn't figure out how he could do it - does he try to get things back on track and continue the story of TFA, or does he try to follow-up on TLJ ignoring TFA like it did?

As silly as it sounds to break up an "episode" into two parts, I can see that mess a lot easier to get out of with two more films versus cramming it all into one. The prequels may have been better had Lucas done the same thing back then.

I mean, the main cast didn't even get together in the same place at the same time until the last scene of TLJ. And look how criminally underused Phasma has been. We still don't know a turd about the Knights of Ren.

Without Carrie (though I am happy they are doing more with her than originally stated), my passion for the entire thing just isn't there, but I can clearly see how breaking it up into two might actually be the only way to save the Skywalker saga.
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I think I would have preferred to do a IX that wrapped up the current trilogy and a X that wrapped the entire Skywalker saga.

I can see where giving service to those two goals takes two movies.

I am a little nervous about JJ handling the whole ending. He is better at starting mysteries than completing stories. But I’m sure the Story Group, and if the GL rumors are true, they can guide the movie(s) home.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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AEfx said:
That's honestly why I don't get the kvetching/confusion. Clearly, there is more information to come about eligibility. But the idea itself is not bad, and I think folks who are feigning great confusion about the intention beyond that aren't thinking about it practically.

In most cases, it is obvious what category most films will fall under. Sure they may be outliers - and who knows, yes, maybe one film will indeed win both awards one year. I just see this is as sort of a take on what the music industry has always been like.

This is also clearly a response to pressure for the academy to "diversify" - both in terms of identity politics and audience share. It gives them a world where they can give an award to both Moonlight and La-La-Land.

The more I think about it, the more it is a good idea IMO. I mean, when you look back at the entire history of Best Picture winners, the Academy hasn't done so hot in actually picking the creme of the crop, particularly for the winner. When you look at each year and the films that have become representative of their respective eras, compared to who swept awards, they often haven't done a great job, at all. This helps them hedge their bets better, having recognized a wider variety of pictures.
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Looking at this list is very telling.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Picture
Of particular interest would be the years 1977, 1981, and 1982. Out of the nominees what movies actually defined those years and are remembered to this day? I haven’t gone through all of it but I also notice Jurassic Park isn’t present for 1993. I have seen some movies that appeared as nominees and I did enjoy them but I haven’t really “remembered” them, you know?
 
Princess Leia

Princess Leia

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Mike S said:
Looking at this list is very telling.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award_for_Best_Picture
Of particular interest would be the years 1977, 1981, and 1982. Out of the nominees what movies actually defined those years and are remembered to this day? I haven’t gone through all of it but I also notice Jurassic Park isn’t present for 1993. I have seen some movies that appeared as nominees and I did enjoy them but I haven’t really “remembered” them, you know?
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I took a pop film class in college; the very first day we watched Fatal Attraction. It was never mentioned that it was nominated for Best Picture?????

Regarding Jurassic Park- maybe the Academy only wanted to nominate one Spielberg film that year?

I enjoy watching the nominees, but I’m not seeking them out as I used to. A few years ago (for the 2013 awards), I watched all but two, but I’m not clamoring to watch most of these films again. They were perfectly fine, high-art films (with a couple other varieties thrown in there too); I’ve just watched Frozen and Iron Man 3 more.
 
rle4lunch

rle4lunch

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Rodan75 said:
I think I would have preferred to do a IX that wrapped up the current trilogy and a X that wrapped the entire Skywalker saga.

I can see where giving service to those two goals takes two movies.

I am a little nervous about JJ handling the whole ending. He is better at starting mysteries than completing stories. But I’m sure the Story Group, and if the GL rumors are true, they can guide the movie(s) home.
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Maybe it'll be a 3 hour movie. That would suffice wrapping it up vice having Episode IX and IX.I The Quest for More Money.
 
rle4lunch

rle4lunch

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asianway said:
VIII needs to be retconned
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I get some of the discourse (I'll stay away from the word 'hate', considering it's still light years better than the prequels), but I don't think a retconn is needed. JJ will have to shore up some major holes, but I think the Kylo arc in VIII (and what he's done with the character) is some of the best acting and writing in the entire series.
 
Fishbait

Fishbait

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Doesn't matter. Won't pay to see 9 or 10...or the next few stand alones unless Disney proves that they can right the ship. Get away from identity politics, honor the Star Wars history...just tell good stories consistent with the existing universe.
 
asianway

asianway

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GiveMeTheMusic said:
Can you explain what you mean by identity politics?
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He means that even though Roses story sucked, from the wild goose chase, to the horses, to the kiss, it’s being held up as Oscar worthy writing simply because she’s Asian

And while I have no issue with Rey having Yoda like powers, many do because they feel it is at the expense of making Luke look like a wimp
 
Kman101

Kman101

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The Empress Lilly said:
My impression is rather that Disney under Iger gives creatives a certain bandwith, but within that near limitless creative freedom.

Just don't be found with anything pædophiliac in your closet, Disney's mortal sin. There's no coming back from that.
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But they were aware of his tweets when they hired him. This was *already a thing*.

It's hypocritical to fire him now, even though it was the right decision in the current environment.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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insert name here said:
No, someone heard that Episode IX will be the longest Star Wars film yet, and a journalist speculated that Disney may want to split it in two. Other sources are now calling this a rumor when it really isn't.
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Thanks for the update. That's too bad. Oh well, it was nice for a second to actually think they might be able to salvage the mess the Sequel Trilogy has become. Wishful thinking.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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Kman101 said:
I doubt they can totally salvage it, but I imagine they try, and dragging out to two films probably wouldn't help in the end.
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I think it might, in so far as there would then actually be a chance to do something with the supposed new "main" characters.

So far, they have barely interacted with each other. Poe might as well be "any guy standing around in a flight suit" for the most part. Finn has just been lusty-mc-lusterson with bad, convoluted, utilmately-a-failure plans. Rey has gotten a lot of screentime, unfortunately so much was wasted in TLJ on that Space-Twilight nonsense.

If they did, two films that were actually planned out together (wow! imagine that!) might actually tell a compelling story for them, yet.
 

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