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Princess Leia

Princess Leia

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the.dreamfinder said:
You can’t just hire another director for Guardians. These films have, up until BP, been the MCU films most deeply connected to their creator.

Firing Gunn was deeply disappointing. Attempting to reverse engineer his talent, his relationships with Feige and Co and his cast and crew is highly inadvisible.

Fifty plus years from now, the GotG films will be shown in film schools as exemplary films of their time.
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Don’t forget Thor: Ragnarok & Taika. I’d also potentially add Thor & Kenneth Branagh to the list, since that film has a lot of Shakespearean influence.
 
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Quinnmac000

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I think the biggest issue now is with this firing, Disney has set a precedence that anyone who has any troubling statements from their past will not have job security with them....

You also can't compare this to Roseanne who had a clause in her contract which stated she was not allowed to post controversial statements on twitter and she did anyway vs Gunn whose statements were edgelord 4chan level tweets that nearly everyone under the age of 20 was putting out back then (though he was much older than 20 then)
 
Animaniac93-98

Animaniac93-98

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Quinnmac000 said:
vs Gunn whose statements were edgelord 4chan level tweets that nearly everyone under the age of 20 was putting out back then (though he was much older than 20 then)
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There needs to be a kind of statute of limitations to dumb things posted online. Otherwise anyone who's been using the internet regularly since the year 2000 (especially if they started doing so before the age of 25) is at risk.
 
AEfx

AEfx

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Loopzoop444 said:
I think that it is a false equivalency to compare these tweets to the Roseanne situation. She was posting racist stuff in the present day, so was fired within a day. James Gunn made these posts seven years ago, and has since apologized, and didn't try to defend them. It wasn't okay to joke about pedophilia in 2011, just like it isn't today. Just as anti-semitic jokes and racist jokes have not been okay and are not okay. Between the two, who has continued to engage in the (according to the new precedent) firing-worthy behavior into the current year? Therein lies the false equivalency.
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Quinnmac000 said:
You also can't compare this to Roseanne who had a clause in her contract which stated she was not allowed to post controversial statements on twitter and she did anyway vs Gunn whose statements were edgelord 4chan level tweets that nearly everyone under the age of 20 was putting out back then (though he was much older than 20 then)
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While I was the first to point out earlier that this was not identical to the Roseanne situation because of the time issue, it is disingenuous, or at the very least naive, to want to think that they don't have more in common than not. They both were clearly jokes, and even if you don't believe Roseanne that she thought she was making a joke about another white woman, does anyone really want to try to get into the weeds with what Gunn actually said and claim that a racist joke is worse than vile pedophile jokes?

In both cases, the outrage that fueled the action Disney took was politically motivated. When you look even broader, as these Outrage incidents keep happening it is becoming rather clear that it doesn't matter if "back then 'nearly everyone' was" doing something, or it supposedly wasn't a big deal at the time. Has #metoo taught us nothing?

In the reactions to Gunn's firing, I have seen quite a folks having a difficult time coming to terms with the fact that we have made our beds with this brave new world we have created. Social media/outrage culture has been weaponized, with a rigid ideology that ignores all context and intention. The biggest thing people are missing with Gunn is the message that the Al Franken situation should have already demonstrated - now that this spark has been lit, you don't get to control where the fire spreads.

I keep seeing people and articles try to claim that "well, the problem is the demand here came from terrible far-right wingers!" like that matters. at all. I mean, people really seem to not understand that companies like Disney haven't been on some noble social justice crusade with them, trying to "do the right thing". They have been desperately scrambling to do everything they can to maintain a semblance of control as they navigate this new world, where a few hours of social media outrage can destroy a person or fatally damage a brand (potentially affecting billions of dollars) in the span between breakfast and lunchtime.

Outrage culture has demanded that zero tolerance is the only acceptable policy. And zero tolerance is, well, zero tolerance. It is too late to go back now, and start deciding that we get to pick and choose who gets to pick up the weapon and use it. Once you have decided that "it was just a joke" or "I didn't know then what I know now..." is not an excuse, and an apology or offer of penance isn't enough - you don't get to retroactively say "all ties must be cut and the person banished, except when it is something that doesn't personally offend me or that is from someone I really like or agree with otherwise".

It has never been about corporations sharing social justice aspirations - they do these things to shut up the outrage on social media as quickly as possible, in a desperate effort to mitigate the damage done to them to bide their time until a mob gathers to decide who the next target is.
 
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huwar18

huwar18

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brb1006 said:
Found a screenshot of the logo from the Disney Life App from Twitter.
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I was pumped when I saw the Three Caballeros are going to be in the second season of Duck Tales. They announced it at Comic Con on Friday. I hope this is just the beginning for the Three Caballeros. I cannot tell you how many times my family watches that movie haha.
 
the.dreamfinder

the.dreamfinder

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AEfx said:
While I was the first to point out earlier that this was not identical to the Roseanne situation because of the time issue, it is disingenuous, or at the very least naive, to want to think that they don't have more in common than not. They both were clearly jokes, and even if you don't believe Roseanne that she thought she was making a joke about another white woman, does anyone really want to try to get into the weeds with what Gunn actually said and claim that a racist joke is worse than vile pedophile jokes?

In both cases, the outrage that fueled the action Disney took was politically motivated. When you look even broader, as these Outrage incidents keep happening it is becoming rather clear that it doesn't matter if "back then 'nearly everyone' was" doing something, or it supposedly wasn't a big deal at the time. Has #metoo taught us nothing?

In the reactions to Gunn's firing, I have seen quite a folks having a difficult time coming to terms with the fact that we have made our beds with this brave new world we have created. Social media/outrage culture has been weaponized, with a rigid ideology that ignores all context and intention. The biggest thing people are missing with Gunn is the message that the Al Franken situation should have already demonstrated - now that this spark has been lit, you don't get to control where the fire spreads.

I keep seeing people and articles try to claim that "well, the problem is the demand here came from terrible far-right wingers!" like that matters. at all. I mean, people really seem to not understand that companies like Disney haven't been on some noble social justice crusade with them, trying to "do the right thing". They have been desperately scrambling to do everything they can to maintain a semblance of control as they navigate this new world, where a few hours of social media outrage can destroy a person or fatally damage a brand (potentially affecting billions of dollars) in the span between breakfast and lunchtime.

Outrage culture has demanded that zero tolerance is the only acceptable policy. And zero tolerance is, well, zero tolerance. It is too late to go back now, and start deciding that we get to pick and choose who gets to pick up the weapon and use it. Once you have decided that "it was just a joke" or "I didn't know then what I know now..." is not an excuse, and an apology or offer of penance isn't enough - you don't get to retroactively say "all ties must be cut and the person banished, except when it is something that doesn't personally offend me or that is from someone I really like or agree with otherwise".

It has never been about corporations sharing social justice aspirations - they do these things to shut up the outrage on social media as quickly as possible, in a desperate effort to mitigate the damage done to them to bide their time until a mob gathers to decide who the next target is.
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Just want to point out that Disney’s vote on the Fox acquisition is this upcoming Friday. Trump’s closeness to these figures likely impacted Disney’s decision making because they don’t want something minor to kill their deal.
 

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