A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

Pixieish

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Holy frick, Bautista :oops:

My guess- Saldana and Pratt will come out in support, but not for a few days. I think Cooper might try to lay low, though anything he does or doesn’t say will get brought up on the Star Is Born press tour later this year.
Yeah, Bautista was laying low until today, then went full nuke. Saldana, I think, is trying to play it safe, as is Pratt. Rooker's last tweet states that he and his rep will never use Twitter again and to find him on Instagram (as well as a strongly worded comment in regards to all this going down). I've seen the words "big names are getting on board", but personally have not seen any aside from Selma Blair (not that I've really been looking for names). There are calls for some of the more popular YouTubers to offer support as well.

All the other primary GoG actors are either silent or not on Twitter.

If it takes until 2am for the petition to hit 150,000, I'll be surprised (last I timed it earlier today, it was getting ~30 sigs per minute), it's going strong. Disney's reaction is not making them look very good.
 

TeriofTerror

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Face-saving way to bring him back into the fold: In addition to the typical apology tour, he agrees to donate his entire salary for Guardians 3 to applicable charities.
Actions speak louder than words. This would be a crystal-clear way to demonstrate true remorse and would go a long way towards restoring his reputation. He wins (long term), Disney wins, the charity wins, the fans win. A far better and more beneficial solution than firing, IMHO.
 

Pixieish

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Face-saving way to bring him back into the fold: In addition to the typical apology tour, he agrees to donate his entire salary for Guardians 3 to applicable charities.
Actions speak louder than words. This would be a crystal-clear way to demonstrate true remorse and would go a long way towards restoring his reputation. He wins (long term), Disney wins, the charity wins, the fans win. A far better and more beneficial solution than firing, IMHO.
AMEN. I would stand behind that 100% even though I think his firing was wrong to begin with.
 

Princess Leia

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Yeah, Bautista was laying low until today, then went full nuke. Saldana, I think, is trying to play it safe, as is Pratt. Rooker's last tweet states that he and his rep will never use Twitter again and to find him on Instagram (as well as a strongly worded comment in regards to all this going down). I've seen the words "big names are getting on board", but personally have not seen any aside from Selma Blair (not that I've really been looking for names). There are calls for some of the more popular YouTubers to offer support as well.

All the other primary GoG actors are either silent or not on Twitter.

If it takes until 2am for the petition to hit 150,000, I'll be surprised (last I timed it earlier today, it was getting ~30 sigs per minute), it's going strong. Disney's reaction is not making them look very good.
Mmmm, Bautista wasn’t exactly laying low, he was talking about it almost immediately. You’re right about today though, this was his strongest response yet.

Good to know about Rooker, I hadn’t heard.

Patton Oswalt has come out in full support of Gunn, ditto for David Dastmalchian. I haven’t heard about any of the other Marvel directors yet, but if Ant-Man is going to be released in any more major markets (delayed release due to the WC), Disney needs to be prepared for the questions on the press tours, whether or not the actors ever worked with Gunn or not.
 

Mike S

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Face-saving way to bring him back into the fold: In addition to the typical apology tour, he agrees to donate his entire salary for Guardians 3 to applicable charities.
Actions speak louder than words. This would be a crystal-clear way to demonstrate true remorse and would go a long way towards restoring his reputation. He wins (long term), Disney wins, the charity wins, the fans win. A far better and more beneficial solution than firing, IMHO.
I would argue the length of time where he didn’t continue this behavior is proof enough of remorse and change but whatever gets him back where he belongs I suppose.
 

lazyboy97o

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Face-saving way to bring him back into the fold: In addition to the typical apology tour, he agrees to donate his entire salary for Guardians 3 to applicable charities.
Actions speak louder than words. This would be a crystal-clear way to demonstrate true remorse and would go a long way towards restoring his reputation. He wins (long term), Disney wins, the charity wins, the fans win. A far better and more beneficial solution than firing, IMHO.
How many years does that buy? How long before this can be brought back up again and require another round of apologies and donations?
 

Princess Leia

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I’m not sure if the tweets were deleted before this all went down (I’m seeing some articles that say they were recently deleted, and others that say they were deleted years ago), but whatever the case, Gunn apologized for them 6 years ago. RDJ literally served time in jail, and now he’s the darling of the MCU. People change, and they should be allowed to be given another chance.

Gunn’s behavior has been more than enough proof to keep him around. When Chris Pratt was getting some cyber bullying (I want to say this was in regards to one of his harmless farming posts that PETA people flipped out about), Gunn was there to help Pratt. It sounds like he’s a great guy all around that made some seriously stupid choices on the internet, but most of us have acted that way, in various degrees.
 

Pixieish

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I’m not sure if the tweets were deleted before this all went down (I’m seeing some articles that say they were recently deleted, and others that say they were deleted years ago), but whatever the case, Gunn apologized for them 6 years ago. RDJ literally served time in jail, and now he’s the darling of the MCU. People change, and they should be allowed to be given another chance.

Gunn’s behavior has been more than enough proof to keep him around. When Chris Pratt was getting some cyber bullying (I want to say this was in regards to one of his harmless farming posts that PETA people flipped out about), Gunn was there to help Pratt. It sounds like he’s a great guy all around that made some seriously stupid choices on the internet, but most of us have acted that way, in various degrees.
I run a Disney FB group, and my daily trivia question for today was inspired by this whole mess - Name comedians, known for their offensiveness, who have voiced and/or starred in Disney films. We came up with something like 20 and probably could have kept going.
 

AEfx

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You seem to think there are a lot more rules here than the rest of society. Yes the pitchforks and tiki torches come out way too quickly as you have described. But this situation is not Roseanne. It is not Harvey. It is not Lauer. It is a little more Joy Reid than anything.

Of course it is different than Lauer/Weinstein - but all Roseanne said was a joke and "words", too. In both cases, there were people just waiting to find something.

In any case, I don't seem to think there are "more rules than the rest of society" - I'm simply talking about the rules that clearly being followed based on the demands made by the social media mobs. Zero tolerance is zero tolerance.

The #MeToo movement has created a double edged sword, one that I think will eventually be handled with more nuance. You seem to think that we've already reached some dystopian end state, I choose to believe we aren't quite there yet. Proven Bad behaviors should be punished appropriately, bad words should be handled with a little less decisively.

Oh, I believe the average person thinks that, but the average person isn't on Facebook/Tumblr/Twitter all day long obsessing over this stuff and they don't constitute the mobs that are dictating these rules. It only takes a few thousand people posting outrage to get something like this to happen now. The point is, people have gotten used to their demands being met and haven't realized that the system they have been cheering on can turn around and be used by anyone to take people down, even those they don't think deserve it, by the rules they have decided of what is now "acceptable" or not.
 

AEfx

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That's a question we need to contemplate very seriously and ask ourselves as a society. This is also why we need to stop giving the people who caused the tweets in question to resurface any power whatsoever.

You can't isolate them, though - that is really the entire point here.

It is something some of us have been warning about for quite awhile now. It is the essence of what people mean when they state that social media has been weaponized - once a weapon has been created, the originator doesn't get to decide who is worthy or not of using it.

We can't say "when people we politically agree with call for action, we must take swift action, but when it is people we politically disagree with, we can take our time and appreciate the nuance".
 

AEfx

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Face-saving way to bring him back into the fold: In addition to the typical apology tour, he agrees to donate his entire salary for Guardians 3 to applicable charities.
Actions speak louder than words. This would be a crystal-clear way to demonstrate true remorse and would go a long way towards restoring his reputation. He wins (long term), Disney wins, the charity wins, the fans win. A far better and more beneficial solution than firing, IMHO.

So by that token, Disney should bring Roseanne back to her show, if she goes on the apology tour she already offered to go on (any show ABC wanted) and, say, donated her salary for the year to an appropriate charity?
 

Pixieish

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You can't isolate them, though - that is really the entire point here.

It is something some of us have been warning about for quite awhile now. It is the essence of what people mean when they state that social media has been weaponized - once a weapon has been created, the originator doesn't get to decide who is worthy or not of using it.

We can't say "when people we politically agree with call for action, we must take swift action, but when it is people we politically disagree with, we can take our time and appreciate the nuance".

Poor choice of words on my part. What I should have said is that we need to realize that there are people out there who will distort the truth in any way they think they can, and we need to protect ourselves from both giving them ammunition (for example, Gunn) and from falling victim to their manipulation (for example, Disney). Unfortunately, much of the world becomes blinded by what's right in front of their faces and misses the bigger picture, and the nature of how our minds work doesn't help because it's designed for us to make snap decisions.
 

Quinnmac000

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So by that token, Disney should bring Roseanne back to her show, if she goes on the apology tour she already offered to go on (any show ABC wanted) and, say, donated her salary for the year to an appropriate charity?

Nah because she has kept going off the deep end repeatedly since then....with excuses and hasn't moved on and accepted personal responsibility for her actions whereas Gunn has.
 

Stevie Amsterdam

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Sean Gunn wrote a really nice collection of tweets (never make me write ‘really nice collection of tweets’ again, people) in support of his brother:
https://www.themarysue.com/sean-gunn-response/

Edit- Karen Gillan tweeted her support for her fellow Guardians yesterday, so we really are just down to Pom, Vin Diesel, and Bradley Cooper
Don't forget Hasselhof ;)

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MerlinTheGoat

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I should preface this by stating I had a pretty neutral opinion on Gunn prior to learning about his twitter past. I knew pretty much nothing about him or his behavior and twitter history. The first i'd ever heard of Gunn was when GOTG came out, and his position as director and writers for those two movies were still all I really knew about him before a few days ago. I'm also not a huge fanboy of GOTG, solid movies but i don't gush over them like many do. So I went into this controversy with a very neutral mindset.

In case it matters, i'm a liberal. I'm not trying to turn this political, I just wanted to make my intentions clear as not trying to smear him because of political bias. I'm also not hyper PC and really enjoy even extremely dark humor when done right (done right being key here). You need proper context, it has to be constructed in a clever and humorous way and with good intent. It's why I enjoy George Carlin so much, or South Park (who often use humor to attack pedos).

In my opinion (and this is subjective and JUST my opinion), Gunn's tweets lacked what I require to support "dark humor". It just came across as gross, unfunny, lacking in clever construction and seemed to have no intent other than trying to be edgy for the sake of edginess. It's the sort of behavior I more closely associate with the website 4chan- kids trolling people with offensive jabs to try to get attention and cause drama. Except this was apparently an older man doing it. The sheer quantity of tweets he made is also disturbing...

Similar to @raven24 (there's an ongoing discussion in another topic in politics), I am still not sure how I feel about the firing itself. It was quite an easy decision with Lasseter given that he actually sexually harassed women. But "distasteful humor" (if you can even call it humor, and hopefully that's the extent of what it was) is more complicated.

I am also well aware that Disney didn't make this decision out of moral integrity. While I wasn't aware of Gunn's past behavior (again I know very little about the man), the Disney executives who hired him certainly HAD to have been. So the issue broadens from "should they have fired him" instead to "should they have hired him to begin with". They fired him because they caved to public pressure, not because it was the "right thing to do". They had no problem with his behavior until this past week. The moral position should have been considered during the initial hiring process, not a few days ago.
 
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Pixieish

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I should preface this by stating I had a pretty neutral opinion on Gunn prior to learning about his twitter past. I knew pretty much nothing about him or his behavior and twitter history. The first i'd ever heard of Gunn was when GOTG came out, and his position as director and writers for those two movies were still all I really knew about him before a few days ago. I'm also not a huge fanboy of GOTG, solid movies but i don't gush over them like many do. So I went into this controversy with a very neutral mindset.

In case it matters, i'm a liberal. I'm not trying to turn this political, I just wanted to make my intentions clear as not trying to smear him because of political bias. I'm also not hyper PC and really enjoy even extremely dark humor when done right (done right being key here). You need proper context, it has to be constructed in a clever and humorous way and with good intent. It's why I enjoy George Carlin so much, or South Park (who often use humor to attack pedos).

In my opinion (and this is subjective and JUST my opinion), Gunn's tweets lacked what I require to support "dark humor". It just came across as gross, unfunny, lacking in clever construction and seemed to have no intent other than trying to be edgy for the sake of edginess. It's the sort of behavior I more closely associate with the website 4chan- kids trolling people with offensive jabs to try to get attention and cause drama. Except this was apparently an older man doing it. The sheer quantity of tweets he made is also disturbing...

Similar to @raven24 (there's an ongoing discussion in another topic in politics), I am still not sure how I feel about the firing itself. It was quite an easy decision with Lasseter given that he actually sexually harassed women. But "distasteful humor" (if you can even call it humor, and hopefully that's the extent of what it was) is more complicated.

I am also well aware that Disney didn't make this decision out of moral integrity. While I wasn't aware of Gunn's past behavior (again I know very little about the man), the Disney executives who hired him certainly HAD to have been. So the issue broadens from "should they have fired him" instead to "should they have hired him to begin with". They fired him because they caved to public pressure, not because it was the "right thing to do". They had no problem with his behavior until this past week. The moral position should have been considered during the initial hiring process, not a few days ago.
Very eloquently put. However, I would also argue that while Roseanne made excuses and tried to apologize after-the-fact, Gunn owned up to his previous behavior before he was even hired and apologized and immediately cleaned up his act. To me, that speaks volumes about the type of person he is.
 

Pixieish

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Sean Gunn wrote a really nice collection of tweets (never make me write ‘really nice collection of tweets’ again, people) in support of his brother:
https://www.themarysue.com/sean-gunn-response/

Edit- Karen Gillan tweeted her support for her fellow Guardians yesterday, so we really are just down to Pom, Vin Diesel, and Bradley Cooper
Pom tweeted overnight - a simple video of her writing "we are Groot" three times.
 

Nubs70

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So by that token, Disney should bring Roseanne back to her show, if she goes on the apology tour she already offered to go on (any show ABC wanted) and, say, donated her salary for the year to an appropriate charity?
Disney and other companies need to simply state, "This is an internal matter, as such, is being handled internally."

We need to stop this public destruction of people's careers.
 
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