bclane
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Might want to move that to the spoilers thread @EricsBiscuit ...
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EricsBiscuit
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Oh oki mushrooms! I'm so sorry! I deleted it. Kill me now
bclane
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It is easy to forget which thread you’re reading/posting in. It happens. I still think you should post it in the other thread though as it could make for an interesting discussion. But your call...
rael ramone
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I'm going to post my TLJ thoughts in the spoiler thread, but as far as the 'business' of TLJ...
If it doesn't to TFA numbers (domestic and/or international) I strongly suspect they'll publicly say they were expecting a drop, but behind the scenes it will be a different story (why didn't higher ticket prices, higher ticket gate percentages from the best of the theaters in various locations not generate more revenue?)....
If it doesn't to TFA numbers (domestic and/or international) I strongly suspect they'll publicly say they were expecting a drop, but behind the scenes it will be a different story (why didn't higher ticket prices, higher ticket gate percentages from the best of the theaters in various locations not generate more revenue?)....
So i will just throw this idea out there. I read somewhere that super hero and sifi type movies thrive during times when the economy is sluggish, there is general malaise amongst the populous, etc. Could we be seeing the natural down tick in peoples interest in these types of fantasy story lines because, all indications are that the economy is on the upswing and, people in general have a better feeling about the future? I think we will have a real good read on that when Infinity War comes out.
bclane
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I think this is a common misconception. Respectfully, please take a look at what The Empire Strikes Back (the best Star Wars movie of all time imo) did at the box office compared to what Star Wars did. Next please look at what Attack of the Clones did at the box office compared to what the Phantom Menace did. If history is to be our guide, no one should expect the second movie of any Star Wars trilogy to equal the box office of the first movie of the same trilogy. With that in mind, expect TLJ to reach a similar percentage of TFA’s box office that ESB did to Star Wars. This would be a reasonable expectation for any second movie in a Star Wars trilogy imo. And btw, the third movies in a trilogy can be expected to beat the second entry but not the first...again if history is to be our guide. Finally, this looks at percentages between movies in the same trilogies and thus historic ticket prices are much less important to the discussion.
rael ramone
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Nobody 'should' expect it to do TFA business. The 1st of each trilogy did the best business. It's perfectly reasonable for those to expect it to do less business... I agree with all of that... And publicly they will be happy with it...
But I strongly suspect, if it doesn't deliver what they wanted, will be privately upset - and will push for a more 'corporate' final chapter... TFA felt to me as being a very 'corporate' film. TLJ, flaws and all, didn't.
asianway
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All the others had 10+ years of pent up demand, that will never happen again
Bairstow
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Has it been confirmed yet whether the current trilogy has a concrete "master plan" with regards to its plot, managed either by Kathleen Kennedy or someone else?
For that matter, has it even been confirmed whether the last two movies are even part of a trilogy cycle, or just the first two films in an unbroken series of Disney Star Wars movies?
For that matter, has it even been confirmed whether the last two movies are even part of a trilogy cycle, or just the first two films in an unbroken series of Disney Star Wars movies?
DisneyRoy
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It has been confirmed this is a sequel trilogy in the greater Skywalker saga. And there is no master plan. Kennedy is flying by the seat of her pants on these and I think it shows.
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/sci-...-they-go-theres-no-marvel-master-plan-a156493
And what is it that Disney/LucasFilm is expecting? 90% of TFa? 80%? 60%?
And does anyone have a link to that number?
Otherwise no matter what TLJ makes, it would be really easy to say, without any proof, that Disney expected more and they're disappointed. Which is something that the 20% who didn't like the movie are going to say.
Nothing that was quoted as support for the article's premise is inherently a bad thing. If you have a core plot, you don't need to write a detailed backstory for each character that has its own intricate surprise revelations and is connected to the main plot. That's how it's done in the comics and this is a comics website. And that intricate web of backstories in the comics? Well, quite often there is no thousand page tome that lays out the backstory and interconnectedness of all the characters of a new run. That comes about as new writers take secondary characters and flesh them out and give them a backstory after the fact.
That is exactly what happened with the original trilogy. The familial relationships and the whole prequel trilogy backstory wasn't part of the original guiding document regarding the "whills.' It could have just as easily been said during the original trilogy that Lucas was flying by the seat of his pants.
Besides, it's well known that Kennedy has a story team in place and they give directors a fair amount of slack to make calls to further the story... with the team's approval.
GiveMeTheMusic
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There is a story department at Lucasfilm that works with each film's directors and writers to ensure overarching storylines. JJ, Rian, et al do not sit around and come up with everything solo, then hand it off to the next person to figure out what to do with it.
smile
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actually wish that could be used as defense, but alas...
biggest issues i had with the film lie in the story and adherence to overarching storylines.
peter11435
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I’m not sure what overarching storylines you feel we’re not adhered to.
smile
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GiveMeTheMusic
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ah, but that would take us into...
territory
Overarching storylines were tended to, just not in the Potteresque way modern fans are accustomed to.
smile
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ironic, considering potter shows up a few times here -
once most egregiously and another actually features a broom!
it's also certainly not modern potter fans raising a ruckus, as they vaguely care...
liberties taken and directions chosen are what seems to have cause the deepest wounds to the oldest fans, for whatever purpose that was.
kill the past, start anew... but not really at all; fair enough
- enjoy the ride, but i got off in late '14, tbh
RandySavage
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In addition to the recent articles (e.g., "JJ is Pitching his Idea for Episode IX to Iger" or https://screenrant.com/star-wars-8-rian-johnson-freedom-no-pre-planned-story/), the "Art of" books make it pretty clear that there is/was no "master plan" nor pre-planned, over-arching storyline for this new trilogy.
They are building this plane mid-flight.
They are building this plane mid-flight.
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the.dreamfinder
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Not so sure. They seem to be using George’s outline as a primary source of inspiration.