A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

[Grumpy4196]

Merry Christmas Spirit.

New Star Wars flick was OK at best. Hasn't been a great SW film since Empire IMO. Given the lukewarm response by the fans it will be interesting to see how much it drops off next week at the box office.

 

[dennis-in-ct]

Now, back to decking the halls, y'all.

Mork: Yes! They wanted to beat up Monty Hall and his family! They were going from house to house singing, "Deck the Halls! Deck the Halls!"
Mork: Quick, we've gotta get you out of here! The whole town's under Marshall law! There's a little fat dude in a red suit on every corner! And he's called Santa CLAWS! And he's stopping everybody! And people are really sick cuz they're putting plastic babies on everybody's lawn covered in straw! I don't know, but we've gotta get out of here before we're all infected!

 

[LAKid53]

Disney, under (and before) Bob Iger, has a known history for trying to silence and censor voices critical of them and their products, from bloggers to journalists to novelists to financial analysts. No conspiracy theories needed. That is a fact.

I don't for a minute believe film critics don't fear losing access to Disney events, screenings, celebs etc if they anger the company. You likely missed what they did to an LA Times film critic over the paper daring to ask critical questions about the company's relationship with the city of Anaheim and whether that benefits or harms the citizens of the city more.

Nope I didn't miss it at all. Rather foolhardy to take on the MAJOR hometown paper. And when the LA Times published that their film critic would be banned from the press preview of Coco, they backed down pretty quickly. Not the kind of press you want in Hollywood going into award season.

 

[Phil12]

So we are to believe the stories of 3 people who were all fired? The main one (mustache man) being one that was fired for generating walk-outs in the studio trying to create a Union?

Instead of believing the dozens of other accounts refuting such claims from women , blacks, asians, latinos and Jews? We'll just ignore the Sherman brothers and Floyd Norman, right?

Regardless, it's a pointless claim- because comparing the morals and values of the 1950s and 60s to the morals and values of today is a fallacy in and of itself.
Pitch that propaganda elsewhere.

Rumors abound that Disney is looking into allegations against Prince Charming.

 

[LAKid53]

He is also almost completely responsible for the fact-free state of American News media.

Rupert Murdoch put the yellow in yellow journalism. A phrase, which by the way, originated from the battle between Joseph Pulitzer and William Randolph Hurst for circulation. How ironic that the most prestigious prize in journalism is named for one of the guys who started us down this path....

 

[LAKid53]

You're not biased, but apparently you, and I, and the many others who feel the same way about the new movie simply don't exist. According to what I've been told in other discussions, negative feedback toward the latest chapter in the galaxy far, far away is either fake news, or some sort of agenda set by "fanboys". Who knew?

But glad to see you back, and happy holidays!

It's not Empire. So many plot holes, so many moments. That whole Casino Planet and Finn & Rose thing could have been deep six'd and wouldn't have affected the film one bit.

I had high hopes. I expected to see much more than 2 great lightsaber fights. And one great leap to hyperspace through a destroyer.

Spirit, I'm afraid you are correct. Disney will ruin the films, pound the franchise to death, but sell a bucket load of merchandise. Maybe we shouldn't have been so gleeful when we learned Disney told George to take his $4.1B and a hike.

 

[LAKid53]

Rumors abound that Disney is looking into allegations against Prince Charming.

So much for true loves kiss.....

 

[LAKid53]

Murdoch and Iger.........A match made in heaven?

Try a tad lower....

 

[NearTheEars]

That's well documented

Creepy old dude acts like he’s making up the stories as he goes. Plus some of Disney’s most important employees were Jewish.

 

[Magenta Panther]

So we are to believe the stories of 3 people who were all fired? The main one (mustache man) being one that was fired for generating walk-outs in the studio trying to create a Union?

Instead of believing the dozens of other accounts refuting such claims from women , blacks, asians, latinos and Jews? We'll just ignore the Sherman brothers and Floyd Norman, right?

Regardless, it's a pointless claim- because comparing the morals and values of the 1950s and 60s to the morals and values of today is a fallacy in and of itself.
Pitch that propaganda elsewhere.

All the above is very true. And then there's this from the LA Times:

All of which makes a speech Walt Disney gave to his employees at the studio in 1941 that much more surprising. Disney told his male animators, who were currently drawing "Dumbo," to expect to see more women working at the studio, according to Sigman Lowery.

“If a woman can do the work as well, she is worth as much as a man,” Disney said, according to studio archives. “The girl artists have the right to expect the same chances for advancement as men, and I honestly believe they may eventually contribute something to this business that men never would or could.”

Many of Disney's animators had been drafted to fight in World War II, and the large new Burbank studio was months from becoming a union shop.

"His point was that he was not bringing women into animation to take away men's jobs at a lower rate, which was what there was some concern about," Sigman Lowery said. "So here is Walt Disney very early on saying this is art done by artists, whether men or women. I like to point this out because people have a mistaken impression that animation at Disney was always a man's world."

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/no...alt-disney-speech-on-women-animators-20131129

And, just to forestall any further lies about Walt, NO, he wasn't an anti-Semite either. Anyone who wants to know the truth about Walt can find the facts just by Googling. Something that jerks like Seth McFarlane and Meryl Streep never bothered with.

 

[Magenta Panther]

Nope I didn't miss it at all. Rather foolhardy to take on the MAJOR hometown paper. And when the LA Times published that their film critic would be banned from the press preview of Coco, they backed down pretty quickly. Not the kind of press you want in Hollywood going into award season.

I LOVED that. Stick it, Iger. You don't control everything...yet.

 

[Magenta Panther]

Rupert Murdoch put the yellow in yellow journalism. A phrase, which by the way, originated from the battle between Joseph Pulitzer and William Randolph Hurst for circulation. How ironic that the most prestigious prize in journalism is named for one of the guys who started us down this path....

Yeah, that was about the Yellow Kid comic strip, I believe. But I think that, nowadays, there's plenty of yellow to go around. Witness that the non-Fox news outlets ate a hefty helping of crow recently regarding "fake news". I think journalism overall is a freaking mess. I don't believe ANYTHING I read anymore in regards to politics.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Disney, under (and before) Bob Iger, has a known history for trying to silence and censor voices critical of them and their products, from bloggers to journalists to novelists to financial analysts. No conspiracy theories needed. That is a fact.

So the 292 critical reviews that gave the movie a thumbs up were all afraid of Disney retribution, like NPR or regional newspapers from around the U.S.? What gave them the courage to pan Cars 3?

 

[bclane]

Rumors abound that Disney is looking into allegations against Prince Charming.

In other news, Pepe's attorney's have crafted an iron clad defense based around how much Pepe had had to drink that day as well as how provocatively Penelope was dressed during the incident. "Clearly she was asking for it" said one member of the legal team. An unnamed employee was overheard saying that Penelope should be required to wear an overcoat, "to cover that up.".

 

[LAKid53]

In other news, Pepe's attorney's have crafted an iron clad defense based around how much Pepe had had to drink that day as well as how provocatively Penelope was dressed during the incident. "Clearly she was asking for it" said one member of the legal team. An unnamed employee was overheard saying that Penelope should be required to wear an overcoat, "to cover that up.".

Boy, that stinks. Next thing you know, Pepe's attorneys will be claiming Penelope tried to get her claws in him...for a fortune in catnip.

 

[LAKid53]

Yeah, that was about the Yellow Kid comic strip, I believe. But I think that, nowadays, there's plenty of yellow to go around. Witness that the non-Fox news outlets ate a hefty helping of crow recently regarding "fake news". I think journalism overall is a freaking mess. I don't believe ANYTHING I read anymore in regards to politics.

I think the term originated from the use of yellow ink. But yes, the Yellow Kid comic strip put it in the public's arena. First comic strip in a newspaper, btw.

 

[ford91exploder]

I LOVED that. Stick it, Iger. You don't control everything...yet.

Iger never will, Murdoch OTOH dont bet against him

 

[the.dreamfinder]

New LA Times report on Gary Goddard by Gus Garcia Roberts

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-ct-goddard-accusers-20171220-story.html

Snippets of particular importance

Goddard, a Disney geek whose mother made sandwiches at the local deli, was on an early similar track to success. He majored in theater, dance and film at the California Institute of the Arts before landing a role at Walt Disney Imagineering, the company’s vaunted theme park design group, in 1976.

He hired several former Santa Barbara proteges to work for him in Landmark and in other roles. Those included Driscoll, an executive at Landmark from 1987 through 1996.

In 1990, while still employed by Landmark, Driscoll said that during a get-together with a group of close friends from the Santa Barbara theater, one of them broke down crying, alleging that he had been sexually abused as a child by Goddard.

One of the men alleged that Goddard molested him during a stop on the “Peter Pan” tour, by unzipping his sleeping bag and fondling him. Another alleged that Goddard masturbated him on a drive home from Disneyland. A third former student alleged several years of “surprise attacks” involving “aggressive kissing” and groping by Goddard, including an episode of fondling in a dark ride at Disneyland. A fourth man said that on overnight visits as a teenager to Florida — where Goddard was directing stage shows for Disney World — and Los Angeles, Goddard had him sleep in the same bed as him and masturbated him.

So Goddard sexually assaulted a child while employed by Walt Disney Productions, that’s a pretty serious allegation having been confirmed by a newspaper.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

Iger never will, Murdoch OTOH dont bet against him

I can see Murdoch taking over The Walt Disney Company. That's someone who I wouldn't bet against or turn my back on.

 

[HauntedMansionFLA]

So much for true loves kiss.....

Is that Lassater?