A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

FigmentJedi

FigmentJedi

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englanddg said:
McIntosh is a great ally to the cause, and his excellent work on the series proves his devotion.

But, he wasn't the one who had to face death threats, rape threats, and hoards of disparaging trolls on Twitter. That was Anita. Her bravery, in light of all of these, pushing forward on topics such as how, in games, women's butts are visible all the time...which hyper-sexualizes young boys, permanently damaging them and teaching them that women are sexual objects to be controlled, instead of equal partners in society.
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Jonathan McIntosh got plenty of insults and online harassment his way. Made a ton of stupid sounding woke tweets about stuff like questioning why video games have to be fun or how video games having controls is some extension of the patriarchy and generally having this smug "I'm a great political commentator" self-importance to him because of how popular that "Donald Duck Listens to Glenn Beck" mashup video of his was. And then there's the people that noticed that the Feminist Frequency Twitter account and Jon's Twitter account were putting out nearly identical posts, making people suspect that Anita didn't even manage her own account.
 
Cousin Huet

Cousin Huet

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spacemt354 said:
So educate me, Professor. What's the biological/genetic basis of these claims? Any evidence or is this just your opinion?
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I’m saying that my parents didn’t have to teach me to “not rape”. I think it is instinctual to not harm another person. However, I was raised to treat people right and not harm others. I learned this from my parents and through church. I’m not religious and recognize many of the issues in the organized religions (some more than others) but believe the lessons there are valuable. I send my daughter for those reasons alone. I also protect her and talk to her about how to take care of herself. I treat her mother in a way that sets an example for how she should expect to be treated and we both teach he to respect herself and not let others take advantage of her.

I think there are outliers that no amount of briefing on Sex Assault will help. They are predatory and they cross all demographics. There are those that were abused themselves and end up becoming predators too. Either way these people need punished once proven guilty to the fullest extent of the law. My concern isn’t in creating some alternate reality for political gain. It’s in protecting people, punishing perps and getting help for actual victims.

Not sure what you would question about the other statement. There are women perps who prey on young hormonal boys almost daily in this country and many have been allowed to infiltrate our education system because we fail to recognize the same warning signs in women that we use with men. Are you denying women prey on young boys in this country? In our schools?
 
Cousin Huet

Cousin Huet

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Cousin Huet said:
I’m saying that my parents didn’t have to teach me to “not rape”. I think it is instinctual to not harm another person. However, I was raised to treat people right and not harm others. I learned this from my parents and through church. I’m not religious and recognize many of the issues in the organized religions (some more than others) but believe the lessons there are valuable. I send my daughter for those reasons alone. I also protect her and talk to her about how to take care of herself. I treat her mother in a way that sets an example for how she should expect to be treated and we both teach he to respect herself and not let others take advantage of her.

I think there are outliers that no amount of briefing on Sex Assault will help. They are predatory and they cross all demographics. There are those that were abused themselves and end up becoming predators too. Either way these people need punished once proven guilty to the fullest extent of the law. My concern isn’t in creating some alternate reality for political gain. It’s in protecting people, punishing perps and getting help for actual victims.

Not sure what you would question about the other statement. There are women perps who prey on young hormonal boys almost daily in this country and many have been allowed to infiltrate our education system because we fail to recognize the same warning signs in women that we use with men. Are you denying women prey on young boys in this country? In our schools?
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The only positive thing you have accomplished is this will likely lead to the destruction of this thread which has been a zombie since almost the beginning.
 
englanddg

englanddg

One Little Spark...
Cousin Huet said:
I’m saying that my parents didn’t have to teach me to “not rape”. I think it is instinctual to not harm another person. However, I was raised to treat people right and not harm others. I learned this from my parents and through church. I’m not religious and recognize many of the issues in the organized religions (some more than others) but believe the lessons there are valuable. I send my daughter for those reasons alone. I also protect her and talk to her about how to take care of herself. I treat her mother in a way that sets an example for how she should expect to be treated and we both teach he to respect herself and not let others take advantage of her.

I think there are outliers that no amount of briefing on Sex Assault will help. They are predatory and they cross all demographics. There are those that were abused themselves and end up becoming predators too. Either way these people need punished once proven guilty to the fullest extent of the law. My concern isn’t in creating some alternate reality for political gain. It’s in protecting people, punishing perps and getting help for actual victims.

Not sure what you would question about the other statement. There are women perps who prey on young hormonal boys almost daily in this country and many have been allowed to infiltrate our education system because we fail to recognize the same warning signs in women that we use with men. Are you denying women prey on young boys in this country? In our schools?
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This is the exact sort of patriarchal excuse that is causing these issues in the first place.

"I don't do it"

Wrong. Even if you don't rape, you support rape culture when you laugh at jokes about rape, when you support media that objectifies women, when you sit around with the "guys" and rate women...seemingly innocuous behaviours that are truly disparaging when inspected through the proper lens.

"Women do it too"

Well, you have no problem saying that women (teachers) are abusing young boys on a "daily" basis, but can't accept the proven fact that 1 in 4 women are raped or sexually assaulted? And, further, dispute the rampant rape culture that infests our college campuses, which protects men, but takes the voice away from women by teaching them that they might have been "asking" for it because of "how they dress" or "how late they stayed out" or that they were "tipsy"?

To teach in our education system, a woman must first get a degree. Did it not occur to you that these women who (not daily...) seek affection from younger male students were equally abused at an earlier point in their lives? And, because of the patriarchal systems that seek to remove the voice of the victims, to make them question themselves and stay quiet, they repressed their anger and depression instead of seeking proper support and help? Is that, possibly, because those spaces and support structures do not exist, or are not properly funded, or are dismissed as not serious...by those willing to support the societal oppression that keeps the colonial privilege stack intact?
 
spacemt354

spacemt354

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Cousin Huet said:
I’m saying that my parents didn’t have to teach me to “not rape”. I think it is instinctual to not harm another person. However, I was raised to treat people right and not harm others. I learned this from my parents and through church. I’m not religious and recognize many of the issues in the organized religions (some more than others) but believe the lessons there are valuable. I send my daughter for those reasons alone. I also protect her and talk to her about how to take care of herself. I treat her mother in a way that sets an example for how she should expect to be treated and we both teach he to respect herself and not let others take advantage of her.

I think there are outliers that no amount of briefing on Sex Assault will help. They are predatory and they cross all demographics. There are those that were abused themselves and end up becoming predators too. Either way these people need punished once proven guilty to the fullest extent of the law. My concern isn’t in creating some alternate reality for political gain. It’s in protecting people, punishing perps and getting help for actual victims.

Not sure what you would question about the other statement. There are women perps who prey on young hormonal boys almost daily in this country and many have been allowed to infiltrate our education system because we fail to recognize the same warning signs in women that we use with men. Are you denying women prey on young boys in this country? In our schools?
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You just made the general statement that nobody is taught to rape. And when pressed for evidence...you only provide anecdotal accounts and personal theories.

I am dismissing the false claim that was spread last night and continuing today that this is nature over nurture. There is very little, if any, evidence to support that theory. To your question, I don't deny that women prey on young boys, why would I? It contradicts the claim that the biological theorists suggest is the reason for predatory behavior, as in it was an evolutionary advantage passed down through males to increase reproduction. This isn't a political issue, or a biological issue, it's a societal issue.

The more we continue to suggest that these instances are inevitable, the less we have to introspect as a society to figure out how to improve.
 
Cousin Huet

Cousin Huet

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englanddg said:
This is the exact sort of patriarchal excuse that is causing these issues in the first place.

"I don't do it"

Wrong. Even if you don't rape, you support rape culture when you laugh at jokes about rape, when you support media that objectifies women, when you sit around with the "guys" and rate women...seemingly innocuous behaviours that are truly disparaging when inspected through the proper lens.

"Women do it too"

Well, you have no problem saying that women (teachers) are abusing young boys on a "daily" basis, but can't accept the proven fact that 1 in 4 women are raped or sexually assaulted? And, further, dispute the rampant rape culture that infests our college campuses, which protects men, but takes the voice away from women by teaching them that they might have been "asking" for it because of "how they dress" or "how late they stayed out" or that they were "tipsy"?

To teach in our education system, a woman must first get a degree. Did it not occur to you that these women who (not daily...) seek affection from younger male students were equally abused at an earlier point in their lives? And, because of the patriarchal systems that seek to remove the voice of the victims, to make them question themselves and stay quiet, they repressed their anger and depression instead of seeking proper support and help? Is that, possibly, because those spaces and support structures do not exist, or are not properly funded, or are dismissed as not serious...by those willing to support the societal oppression that keeps the colonial privilege stack intact?
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Oh, the bigoted assumptions! Lmao, bye Felicia
 
The_Jobu

The_Jobu

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"Hey, what's going on in the off-top thread today...?"
*someone un-ironically posting Anita videos as an argument*

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AEfx

AEfx

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Cousin Huet said:
OMG.....someone presented Anita Sarkeesian as a source of credible info.
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Yeah, I had a few things to say (particularly as a gay man, when these folks are talking about male/female body expectations, "cis", etc.) but once I saw that, and talking about things like "colonial actions"...I realized what a waste of time it would have been, because once someone has gotten drunk on the one-track-intersectional-kool-aid, discussing anything is useless. The only way for folks who have fallen down that rabbit hole is to find their own way out, like Laci Green did.
 

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