Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
I choose to be thin, but unfortunately still end up being a fat b stard.
Must be the weight of the nuggets.
Must be the weight of the nuggets.
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Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Re: hmm
They sell beer and gum at the magic kingdom. and everything returns to opening day prices.
They sell beer and gum at the magic kingdom. and everything returns to opening day prices.
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My only criticism in this whole thing was that I didn't think WDW was a good place to make a political statement. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well stated and I agree 100%. Personally, I don't really care what anyone's "preferences" are, and I'm not opposed to anyone not causing trouble to vist WDW, but I don't feel like WDW is the appropriate place to have this mass gathering of people based on they're sexual orientation. Let me reiterate that I do not hate or dislike anyone because of who they are, I just feel that this type of thing diminishes the family atmoshere that becomes part of the magic of visiting Disney.
My only criticism in this whole thing was that I didn't think WDW was a good place to make a political statement. [/B][/QUOTE]
Well stated and I agree 100%. Personally, I don't really care what anyone's "preferences" are, and I'm not opposed to anyone not causing trouble to vist WDW, but I don't feel like WDW is the appropriate place to have this mass gathering of people based on they're sexual orientation. Let me reiterate that I do not hate or dislike anyone because of who they are, I just feel that this type of thing diminishes the family atmoshere that becomes part of the magic of visiting Disney.
PhotoDave219
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Re: Re: hmm
Yeah, but knowing Disney it wont be anything strong like Guiness... More like Eisner's [Edited because this is a Family Forum]
Yeah, but knowing Disney it wont be anything strong like Guiness... More like Eisner's [Edited because this is a Family Forum]
Main Street USA
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I really wish people would stop stating their opinions as fact. NONE of us know for a FACT that people are born gay. NONE of us know for a fact that people choose to be gay. It has not been scientifically proven that anyone is born gay, nor has it been proven otherwise.
Once again, STRONG OPINIONS, no matter how strong, do not equal FACT. And THAT is the only fact of this discussion.
Once again, STRONG OPINIONS, no matter how strong, do not equal FACT. And THAT is the only fact of this discussion.
NADisney
Active Member
But what about" my family"? I have every right to have fun with other gay men who behave better then some "straights" with their family.Some of you people need to ride "it's a small world " for a day or two to understand that their are other people that live on this planet besides yourself's.
Besides Disney will not lose the (gay) dollar,they will make tons of it due to us and they know it .
and Nemo Rock's !!
Besides Disney will not lose the (gay) dollar,they will make tons of it due to us and they know it .
and Nemo Rock's !!
Dwarful
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Hey Main Street USA I know for a FACT the Cardinals are the BEST baseball team, that Jack Buck was one heck of an announcer and Mike Shannon enjoys the Bud just a little too much sometimes when he is in the booth
Others esp. those from the Chicago area might try to say those are just my opinions...but hey I KNOW BETTER
By the way, my curiosity got the better of me,
does anyone know why exactly the founders of this picked Disney? I mean did they make this choice of theme parks because it has always been known for being a family park? or just disney fans? I just wondered was there some message I wasn't getting? I didn't after all know about the red shirt thing, so I will admit that things might go over my head!
Others esp. those from the Chicago area might try to say those are just my opinions...but hey I KNOW BETTER
By the way, my curiosity got the better of me,
does anyone know why exactly the founders of this picked Disney? I mean did they make this choice of theme parks because it has always been known for being a family park? or just disney fans? I just wondered was there some message I wasn't getting? I didn't after all know about the red shirt thing, so I will admit that things might go over my head!
Main Street USA
Well-Known Member
Well, lookie there! Everybody take note of this quoted post by Fievel, because it's not something that's been seen all that often throughout this thread:
------> LOGIC <-------
NADisney
Active Member
Well nobody knows if your born straight, black, white, yellow or gay untill it happens.And you will ? yourself on many things like love,freinds,pets- you must make decisions on certain things for yourself not what everyone is doing. You can't always depend on the bible and science to know whats right for you without pressure from the world.
Main Street USA
Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Dwarful
Hey Main Street USA I know for a FACT the Cardinals are the BEST baseball team, that Jack Buck was one heck of an announcer and Mike Shannon enjoys the Bud just a little too much sometimes when he is in the booth
Others esp. those from the Chicago area might try to say those are just my opinions...but hey I KNOW BETTER
LOL:lol: Good one.
Main Street USA
Well-Known Member
Your post is 100% correct, but it still doesn't make either viewpoint a fact.
Your last sentence, however, is the EXACT reason why people are allowed to have different opinions. We all get to decide for ourselves, in most cases, what's right and wrong.
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
Neither do I imagine taking your children to an exposed concrete pile constructed in hot n humid Florida and its built on a swamp! How irresponsible is that.
I think Ill just stay at home and watch some wholesome reality TV.
RPMdfw
New Member
Let me say first off, that I'm not upset by your post, and I'm not mad. I'm trying to be objective and engage you in a conversation that is explanatory, not inflamatory. This is in no way intended to flame anyone, but I'm hoping to offer some insight here.
I understand what you're saying here. Science hasn't proved one way or another whether people are born gay.
Can you understand that I, as a gay man, have a different, and possibly more insightful perspective on the issue? It's something that I have spent my entire life trying to figure out, and until you have to go through the process of "coming out", I'm not sure this is something that can be understood. But maybe this will help:
Not all facts are scientific in nature. For example. You love your wife. It's very obvious that you do from reading your posts, and looking at your pictures (by the way, they're great pictures and you're a cute couple). Therefore it is a fact that you love your wife. Can you explain to me scientifically why? or what love means in a scientific way? No. That doesn't make the fact of your love less valid. Love is a matter of the heart, and doesn't have to be logical. That's part of the beauty of it, it defies reason.
In the same way, I know for a fact that I was born gay. I can not, nor will I try to speak for every gay man and lesbian in the world. For me, the fact is that I did not choose to be gay. Can I define in scientific terms how I know this? No. But it's also a matter of the heart (for me,anyway) and doesn't have to be logical either.
So, I can't give you scientific proof, but I am stating the facts. Different kinds of facts, perhaps, and I'm sorry if they're not the kind of facts you feel that you need. But they are the kind of facts that I need, and since I'm the one who lives this life, doesn't that count for something?
Again, this is not in any way meant to belittle anyone's feelings, or opinions. I'm just speaking about what is true for me.
Main Street USA
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In a sense this is the only point I've been trying to make. So please don't take my posts the wrong way. We're agreeing here.
The only reasoning you need to convince you that you were born gay is that you feel you were. That makes it a fact to you. Which is all that matters when you're concerned.
When the general public is concerened, and looking for a definite answer, some sort of proof is needed. Extensive studies and tests have been done on this very subject, for many years, with no counclusive outcome. Until that happens, the public as a whole can only form an educated opinion.
It's understood that you may have a better perception when dealing with this issue, and I think you certainly have more than me. I am, however educated on the issue, and I continue to ride the fence. I simply don't know whether or not a person is born gay, and until its proven one way or the other, I never will.
If there were some sort of fact book, being born gay wouldn't be in it, and neither would "homosexuality is a choice."
But, you're right, me loving my wife wouldn't be in it either, but I know I do, and that's all that matters to me.
Originally posted by Main Street USA
But, you're right, me loving my wife wouldn't be in it either, but I know I do, and that's all that matters to me.
That's the best post you've ever written on this subject. You've come a long way since last year!!
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