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A Flap in the Right Direction
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Buried20KLeague
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Well, materials cost will be less. Quite a lot less. HK buys all that stuff from mainland. That's what will be considerably helpful, not labor rates.
Pumbas Nakasak
Heading for the great escape.
DisneyDellsDude
New Member
IMO, this HKDL expansion is going to be greater than DCA's makeover.
But SirGoffy, I really don't think there will be 30 new attractions. That was either a typo, or like jt said, they're counting stores, restaurants, and the piece of gold as "attractions".
GothMickey
Active Member
Buried20KLeague
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Oh, they ABSOLUTELY are. When I was there, they were counting crazy things as "attractions" just to boost the numbers. Things like the old-fashioned car that went up and down mainstreet. And the glass-blower. Stuff like that. I'm trying to remember what else, because it's been a while... But they made me laugh, I'll tell you that.
But the park needs major help. If I can find a picture I took of the hub, I'll post it.
fyn
Member
You could do a lot to support your position by saying what the proof will be, and when it's coming. I think in the past a lot of your claims are met with skepticism simply because you speak in incredibly vague terms (which, is why I asked about specifics in Liberty Square). It seems to be your prerogative to convince people that the tide's are turning, or have turned, which is a significant departure from the recent past, yet you tend to offer little or no proof and then label the folks who don't believe you as Doom and Gloomers. Can you blame them? You haven't given them any reason to believe you. If someone told me that the bus I take to work, that is eerily on-time to the minute every day, will be late tomorrow, but didn't offer why or give any other explanation, simply saying "trust me", I'd have no choice but to be skeptical. If this person were on an internet forum telling me this, I'd have (if it were possible) even fewer reasons to believe them.
The Liberty Square news is heartening, but perspective is needed. The place has been neglected, so regular maintenance and refurbishments isn't the strongest data point to indicate a trend back toward excellence. I share the hope of everyone of this board (afterall, why else are they here?) that that is what we'll see. Right now, there's virtually no reason to believe what you're saying. I hope you'll view this simply as what it is, and not a personal attack, because it's not. I want a reason to believe you.
DisneyDellsDude
New Member
When did you go and how was it?
Buried20KLeague
Well-Known Member
Here's a picture of the hub in HK I took on a Friday afternoon in the Spring. I was literally 1 of about 12 people in the entire hub.
Attendance is/was CLEARLY a problem, and it's why it's getting massive expansion.
Attendance is/was CLEARLY a problem, and it's why it's getting massive expansion.
This is correct. I read an article that the 30 number includes everything. Including the gold nugget and eateries.
I'd be suprised if the HKDL will be "greater" than DCA. Maybe if you just seperate DCA 1.0 from DCA 2.0 and only count the difference. They are spending about twice as much money on DCA however. Just the World of Color show alone will cost more than almost any of the HKDL individual attractions.
Buried20KLeague
Well-Known Member
It was a Friday in March of 08. It was sort of weird... Almost like "bizzaro Disneyland". The people were nice, but some of it didn't translate very well... The Jungle Cruise, for example. Their SM is fine... They have an all electric autopia that was fine. Buzz was Buzz. Fantasyland was beautiful (as was the whole park), they had the Lion King show which was the same. That was really about it for attractions. That's all they've got. There's the train... And Small World wasn't opened yet. I literally had seen the whole place in less than 3 hours. I rode each ride multiple times, and STILL was ready to be done hours before closing... But I had to stick around for the fireworks show.
What was "bizzaro" about it?
How small it was. It took less than a minute (EASILY) to walk from one side to the other.
The mountains behind it. It was just different... Kinda cool... But dwarfed the castle even more than it already was. You definitely knew you "weren't in Kansas anymore".
The food. Hoo boy. The food. Really not good for a Westerner, that's for sure. They may have loved it, and good for them. But man, it was bad. Comparatively, TDL's food was UNBELIEVEABLE. So it wasn't just the cultural difference that had me not liking it at all. Funny sight: walking up to what you think is a popcorn cart in the hub, but they're really selling pickled squid. :slurp::hurl:
I knew when I was there that it was either going to have to massively expand, or it was in trouble. That's part of why I bought a limited edition gold coin from opening day they had there. Either it would be a success and I'd have an opening day souvenier, or I'd have an opening day souvenier from the first failed Disney park in the world! :lol:
Talking to people there, there was a competing park not far away (can't recall the name) that everyone went to because it was chock full of thrill rides, and didn't cost as much to get in. See, over there, Disney can't rely on nostalgia to bring people in. That's a good thing.
Buried20KLeague
Well-Known Member
You should see some of my video. I would sit in one corner of Adventureland and start taping, and see how long it took for me to see another person. Sometimes over a minute!
krankenstein
Well-Known Member
At least you are facing the right direction now. :animwink:
I just post my perspectives and news as I see it and know it to be. If you don't like my style, ignore me. Enough about me.
Just wondering, if you don't mind me asking, what the "it's not a religion..." statement in your signature means. I'm not looking for any personal information, I've always been curious what it is and especially why the little cross symbol disappeared. :veryconfu
EpcotServo
Well-Known Member
It was a Friday in March of 08. It was sort of weird... Almost like "bizzaro Disneyland". The people were nice, but some of it didn't translate very well... The Jungle Cruise, for example. Their SM is fine... They have an all electric autopia that was fine. Buzz was Buzz. Fantasyland was beautiful (as was the whole park), they had the Lion King show which was the same. That was really about it for attractions. That's all they've got. There's the train... And Small World wasn't opened yet. I literally had seen the whole place in less than 3 hours. I rode each ride multiple times, and STILL was ready to be done hours before closing... But I had to stick around for the fireworks show.
What was "bizzaro" about it?
How small it was. It took less than a minute (EASILY) to walk from one side to the other.
The mountains behind it. It was just different... Kinda cool... But dwarfed the castle even more than it already was. You definitely knew you "weren't in Kansas anymore".
The food. Hoo boy. The food. Really not good for a Westerner, that's for sure. They may have loved it, and good for them. But man, it was bad. Comparatively, TDL's food was UNBELIEVEABLE. So it wasn't just the cultural difference that had me not liking it at all. Funny sight: walking up to what you think is a popcorn cart in the hub, but they're really selling pickled squid. :slurp::hurl:
I knew when I was there that it was either going to have to massively expand, or it was in trouble. That's part of why I bought a limited edition gold coin from opening day they had there. Either it would be a success and I'd have an opening day souvenier, or I'd have an opening day souvenier from the first failed Disney park in the world! :lol:
Talking to people there, there was a competing park not far away (can't recall the name) that everyone went to because it was chock full of thrill rides, and didn't cost as much to get in. See, over there, Disney can't rely on nostalgia to bring people in. That's a good thing.
Hmmm. Just like China. Really cool, and the people are amazing and nice. Buuutttttt...I'd rather be in Japan.
Buried20KLeague
Well-Known Member
Hmmm. Just like China. Really cool, and the people are amazing and nice. Buuutttttt...I'd rather be in Japan.
You know... I honestly don't think I could have said it better myself.
krankenstein
Well-Known Member
It isn't something I discuss on boards because it can lead to arguments that have nothing to do with Disney. I normally address questions about it with PMs, but you apparently cannot receive them. If you wish to know, PM me and I will respond. :wave:
The cross should still be there. At least it is on my screen. :shrug:
BTW, I have no personal problems with you at all (I actually like the sheriff thing, thus the avatar). Your style just bugs me sometimes. Beyond that, we are cool on my end.
Fair enough. Yeah the cross only appears as a vertical line like this l
Maybe you could ask how someone else sees it on their screen. That would bug me if main stream religious symbols are now considered offensive and it's being "censored".
Anyway, enough about that. Thanks.