kap91
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Ok then. Argument still stands though. I think the mine coaster offeres a lot more than the skyway. Plus isn't TSMM considered a D-ticket?
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7DMT: E Ticket??
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Ok then. Argument still stands though. I think the mine coaster offeres a lot more than the skyway. Plus isn't TSMM considered a D-ticket?
CinematicFusion
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There can't be a kiddie e-ticket now?
What does an e- ticket mean now anyways?
Thought this was interesting...I'm sure everyone on this board knows the history...many times over I'm sure.
"The phrase E ticket (or E ticket ride) refers to an unusually interesting, thrilling, or expensive experience. It derives from the admission ticket system used at the Disneyland and Magic Kingdom theme parks before 1982, where the E ticket (officially termed "E coupon") admitted the bearer to the newest, most advanced, and/or most popular rides and attractions.
When Disneyland opened in 1955, visitors purchased an admission ticket to the park at the main gate booths and then purchased separate admission inside for each attraction. Less than three months after opening, Disney began selling "Value Books", each of which contained several of each coupon labeled "A" through "C", to supplement the pay-per-ride system. Attractions were then designated as "A", "B", or "C" attractions, and visitors needed to either purchase a specified coupon from a nearby booth or present the discount coupon book with the correct coupon attached. As determined by Disney, "A" attractions were the smallest or least popular, "B" attractions were more popular and/or more advanced, and "C" attractions were the most popular and/or most advanced.[1] In 1956, Disney introduced the "D" designation for the most popular attractions and upgraded several former "C" attractions including Jungle Cruise to "D".
In June 1959, amid the completion of Disneyland's first major expansion, Disney introduced the "E" designation for the park's most popular attractions and made the new Submarine Voyage, Matterhorn Bobsleds, and Disneyland–Alweg Monorail "E" coupon attractions. Additionally, the Santa Fe & Disneyland Railroad, Rocket to the Moon, Rainbow Ridge Pack Mules, Rainbow Mountain Stage Coaches, Mark Twain Riverboat, Sailing Ship Columbia, Rafts to Tom Sawyer Island, and Jungle Cruise – all previously "D" rides – were upgraded to "E".[1] "E" remained the highest attraction/coupon designation for over 20 years. Several "E" attractions were added throughout the 1960s and 1970s. In 1971 the coupon system was duplicated at the Magic Kingdom when it opened."
If I was in marketing for Disney I would hype the mine train as the new FantasyLand E-Ticket. I would do it with a straight face.
1. It's the newest ride.
2. Has new Tech
3. It's thrilling to the intended market. Families with young children
4. complete immersion, interesting theme and story-line.
5. expensive experience.
However...
All comes down to the experience though...if people don't like it...much like the River Raft Ride, Dinosaur at Animal Kingdom...it can't be an E-Ticket. The raft ride, Dinosaur on paper has everything you want for an E-ticket...until you ride it. Then it feels like it's missing something. Good...but not great. In my opinion, and only my opinion, a good ride can't be an E-ticket.
It will be interesting to see the reviews of Mine Train...can't wait. And then we start all over again watching the looooong sloooow build of Avatar Land.
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It is.
HTF
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Bingo! Or even Eticket for those who weren't born yet since the last one was built... Pretty sad to think some are in College at this point too...
MerlinTheGoat
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Now that i've seen a full ride through video of it, fairly nice D ticket definitely. It's a step above most if not all other kiddie coasters, though it's not on the same level by any stretch to Splash Mountain or Big Thunder (not because of the lack of thrills). The figures are actually pretty well done and i'm glad they opted to upgrade them to actual AA's instead of using simplistic animated figures (hopefully management can keep them in proper working order). The inside scenes in general look very nice overall.
What the ride lacks is length and i think the outside could have been done better. The concept art showed glittering gems scattered around the outside of the mountain that could have looked amazing at night. Also wanted to see a log bridge of sorts with the dwarf figures walking home as the art also suggested. I really liked the track length portrayed in the concept art and how it intertwined more with the mountain.
Still, pretty nice D ticket and a nice addition to Fantasyland. IMO the best part of the new attractions there despite it being sad there were some cuts to the ride and no true E ticket replacement for 20k Leagues. It's also too bad they had to use the old Snow White building for a princess meet and greet instead of a new dark ride.
And before anyone says otherwise no thrills do not make an E ticket, there are plenty of E's that are devoid of thrills. Spaceship Earth for example.
What the ride lacks is length and i think the outside could have been done better. The concept art showed glittering gems scattered around the outside of the mountain that could have looked amazing at night. Also wanted to see a log bridge of sorts with the dwarf figures walking home as the art also suggested. I really liked the track length portrayed in the concept art and how it intertwined more with the mountain.
Still, pretty nice D ticket and a nice addition to Fantasyland. IMO the best part of the new attractions there despite it being sad there were some cuts to the ride and no true E ticket replacement for 20k Leagues. It's also too bad they had to use the old Snow White building for a princess meet and greet instead of a new dark ride.
I agree with this being a D and it's ridiculous to place it above that, there's no question that it's not E ticket caliber. But lets not go so far as to compare this to Hippogriff. I'm not going to overpraise this ride or anything, but i'll at least say it's a step above that. Doing your argument a disservice (which I otherwise agree with) by making a comparison like that.
And before anyone says otherwise no thrills do not make an E ticket, there are plenty of E's that are devoid of thrills. Spaceship Earth for example.
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doctornick
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So, I've said before that I think the 7DMT would be comparable to the Matterhorn. With the ride through, I tend to think it is a fair comp. Now mind you the rides are different -- the Matterhorn is faster and has much more track, so it's more "thrilling". But generally I think that they overall are about the same level of quality: Matterhorn is faster/more thrilled and has the neat effect of two tracks (and kinda "racing" against the other cars). 7DMT has the rocking effect for "thrill" and has better theming/show scenes. They both interestingly have glowing gems. The Matterhorn originally had a 38" height restriction (this changed with new vehicles) and was the "first rollercoaster you rode as a kid" for many, appealing to the same age range that the 7DMT will. Both rides are about 2.5 minutes in length.
So, I would say that whatever you consider the Matterhorn is what you should consider the 7DMT. I'd argue both are top notch D-tickets.
So, I would say that whatever you consider the Matterhorn is what you should consider the 7DMT. I'd argue both are top notch D-tickets.
BoarderPhreak
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D and a half. I reserve E for craziness like SM, BTMRR, ToT, etc. It gets extra points for being so lush in details... And THAT is what Disney/MK is all about. This is nice to see, and I think it's a fantastic addition to the park.
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HTF
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MerlinTheGoat
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HTF
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Good lord no lol, I was trying to make a ridiculous and unrealistic argument since IMO the Mine Train being considered an E ticket is just as ludicrous. Sorry about the confusion I just figured since it was so outlandish people would assume I was being sarcastic.
kap91
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Unfortunately it's hard to tell, since there are a good many people here who apparently do hold the view that the two rides are essentially the same.Good lord no lol, I was trying to make a ridiculous and unrealistic argument since IMO the Mine Train being considered an E ticket is just as ludicrous. Sorry about the confusion I just figured since it was so outlandish people would assume I was being sarcastic.
MerlinTheGoat
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Yeah, sorry about that (i'm not very good with sarcasm over text lol). I agree with you completely. Mine Train I think turned out pretty well for what it was (even though I have my complaints with elements AND it still took way too long to build), but it's definitely no E ticket by any stretch.Good lord no lol, I was trying to make a ridiculous and unrealistic argument since IMO the Mine Train being considered an E ticket is just as ludicrous. Sorry about the confusion I just figured since it was so outlandish people would assume I was being sarcastic.
I will say that I was pleasantly surprised that the animatronic figures turned out better than many of us thought.
HTF
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And I think the fact it took sooooo long to build will lead to some disappointment from guests. It's another reason why I'm so insistent that people realize this needs to be considered a lovely D ticket. Nothing more nothing less. I mean if guests were led to believe its an Eticket attraction which would be on the same scale as the mountains of MK, ToT, and so on only to ride this I think that's just asking for disappointment from guests and fans.
danlb_2000
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MerlinTheGoat
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It's still a D ticket regardless of how long it took to build. Though its lengthy construction period does give us a bit of a reason to roll our eyes (even if the average guest doesn't know).
I think more people than you'd think know how long this has been in construction. Sure we're huge Disney fans that follow news about the company closely, but Disney has been hyping this for a long time now all over the internet. The age of the internet has made it easier for many regular people to follow Disney related news.
I think more people than you'd think know how long this has been in construction. Sure we're huge Disney fans that follow news about the company closely, but Disney has been hyping this for a long time now all over the internet. The age of the internet has made it easier for many regular people to follow Disney related news.
kap91
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Just want to point out that it hasn't been all that long of a build. Right about average. (Currently being discussed in another thread here: http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...dwarfs-mine-train.883491/page-13#post-6073103) And why should the length of construction have any bearing at all on the review of the ride?
MerlinTheGoat
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Average with current rides Disney has built yes. But well below par in terms of length of construction when compared with either Disney about 15-20 years ago (and that with inferior technology compared to today, and most of what was built was superior to today's fare) or what Universal is doing now.
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Atomicmickey
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Watched the video. Sold. Solid, beautiful, really fun looking D ticket. Can't wait to ride it someday. I think this looks much, much better than what they did with Mermaid. Love the MK views, love that it's 360, love the water features and the motion in FL. It may not be what we all wanted--but what we got, just might be what we need. Enthusiastic golf clap for this, and prepared to like it even more when I visit.
kap91
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FJ took around 3 years to build, Transformers was purposefully insanely quick - though a relatively simple structure, Diagon Alley has been close to 3. And to be honest I still don't think it matters all that much. Sure quicker is nicer, but I don't see where it demonstrates anything.