7DMT: E Ticket??

[Sevier]

It was? You get a 4 minute mermaid ride with hour waits, a 2 minute coaster that the shorties can't ride that will surely get 2 hour waits, a "show"/meet and greet with pictures on sticks that routinely gets hour waits, and a 4 hour wait to meet Anna and Elsa? Sounds like more of the same to me. Although we do have the addition of a fast food joint that gets 2 hour waits, a brand new MAGICAL way to wait. In the sun with a parasol no less.

You're conveniently disregarding the entire point. Experiences are being created while you wait for the attraction via interactive queues and play areas. Not your fault but you probably didn't read my previous post. It doesn't surprise me though that some would try to diminish the entire land to fit the narrative.

"For NFL, you also have to consider that for its target audience, there is substance and immersion at every turn. Everything from the pooh queue, fairytale hall, be our guest, gaston's, Casey jr, dumbo queue playground, Ariel's grotto, mermaid/dwarf interactive queue, ride and building exteriors, belle's cottage special effects and interaction, etc."

 

[Sped2424]

You're conveniently disregarding the entire point. Experiences are being created while you wait for the attraction via interactive queues and play areas. Not your fault but you probably didn't read my previous post. It doesn't surprise me though that some would try to diminish the entire land to fit the narrative.

"For NFL, you also have to consider that for its target audience, there is substance and immersion at every turn. Everything from the pooh queue, fairytale hall, be our guest, gaston's, Casey jr, dumbo queue playground, Ariel's grotto, mermaid/dwarf interactive queue, ride and building exteriors, belle's cottage special effects and interaction, etc."

I am gonna try and lay this on nicely, but you are trying to debate with folks who have years of credibility and insight under their belt. The problem with your post is that Magic Kingdom's target audience has always been families and young ones.

 

[wm49rs]

Is this always how you engage in dialogue? Name-calling? What exactly did I say that was so offensive to you?

To the adults here, I don't have a link, but we all know that before the NFL project started, Disney was touting this idea of solving the fact that "our smallest guests wait in the longest lines for the shortest experiences." NFL would rectify that, which it has. I'm not sure where we are getting confused on the facts.

And yet curiously you didn't actually answer the question. But apparently what you said was offensive to the moderators....

No confusion of the facts, just how you seem to interpret them.

 

[marni1971]

You're conveniently disregarding the entire point. Experiences are being created while you wait for the attraction via interactive queues and play areas

Luckily the kiddy coaster got its interactive queue before WDI axed all further such "interactive developments" huh?

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Disney was touting this idea of solving the fact that "our smallest guests wait in the longest lines for the shortest experiences." NFL would rectify that, which it has.

All other points aside, has it actually rectified this? Dumbo has a shorter wait than ever, that's true enough, but the lines in Fantasyland, New or otherwise, are still some of the longest in the park, and the experiences not notorious for their length either. I don't recall the wait times for Pan, Philharmagic, Small World, Pooh, or Teacups taking a dive with the opening of the expansion, and so far none of the additions are known for their loading efficiency either (Mermaid would have this capability were FastPass not shoehorned into place). We'll have to see on the Mine Train, but I don't know that it's safe to expect a wait time there that's appropriate to the ride experience.

If this was truly their goal, and there are indeed reasons to believe it was not, then I'm not sure we can yet call it a success. When the "New-ness" of New Fantasyland dies down we may see results more clearly, but at the moment it doesn't seem to be making much headway with regards to cutting waits around that part of the park.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Luckily the kiddy coaster got its interactive queue before WDI axed all further such "interactive developments" huh?

I wonder, Marni, what was it that really made them look and say "this isn't working"?

(And, is there hope of anything being done to square the Mansion's queue back to a more palatable state?)

 

[Disney Analyst]

Its little hill squished in the middle of several differently themed plots of fantasy land...

Incredible themeing, you know not, -Yoda

Thank you for disregarding my opinion and acting as if I have no clue what I see.

In MY opinion, the theming is incredible, and I love that little grassy hill, and the feeling and look it has brought to Fantasyland.

 

[Sevier]

I am gonna try and lay this on nicely, but you are trying to debate with folks who have years of credibility and insight under their belt. The problem with your post is that Magic Kingdom's target audience has always been families and young ones.

Thanks for being nice

But, I still disagree.

 

[bhg469]

Thank you for disregarding my opinion and acting as if I have no clue what I see.

In MY opinion, the theming is incredible, and I love that little grassy hill, and the feeling and look it has brought to Fantasyland.

You're quite welcome, have a magical day.

 

[The Duck]

So Disney is out there in the public just stating goals that aren't actually their goals, and wdwmagic has the insight to determine which goals are the actual goals? Sounds legit.

Both have been known to happen.

 

[spacemt354]

You're conveniently disregarding the entire point. Experiences are being created while you wait for the attraction via interactive queues and play areas. Not your fault but you probably didn't read my previous post. It doesn't surprise me though that some would try to diminish the entire land to fit the narrative.

"For NFL, you also have to consider that for its target audience, there is substance and immersion at every turn. Everything from the pooh queue, fairytale hall, be our guest, gaston's, Casey jr, dumbo queue playground, Ariel's grotto, mermaid/dwarf interactive queue, ride and building exteriors, belle's cottage special effects and interaction, etc."

I'll put it to you this way.

The capacity problems at the Magic Kingdom have been evident, especially during holidays and special events. You could say, the park is in demand. When you utilize land once left dormant, Disney can spin their motives all they want, but their primary objective is to ensure the park's capacity increases. It's apparent with the Rapunzel D-Zone, a place specifically designed to spread the crowds.

As much as it may seem odd, Disney spins a lot of information to fit a narrative. Most major companies do. While they may say their motives are A,B,C...their motives are actually X,Y,Z.

In terms of content in NFL, if Disney was targeting young (2-3 yrs old) audiences they would not have built a ride with a height restriction (or at least they shouldn't have)

In regards to the topic, I won't give a final grade yet of the 7DMT. Though if I had to guess, I would probably say it's a D-ticket. Reasons? It's short length with minimal show scenes in comparison to other E-tickets. And when it's considered to be in-between Big Thunder and Barnstormer. Well...Big Thunder is an E. Barnstormer is a C. So 7DMT is in the middle, which is a D.

 

[MarkTwain]

D-ticket ride.

E-ticket draw, promotion and wait times for the next couple years. Like Mermaid.

 

[wm49rs]

D-ticket ride.

E-ticket draw, promotion and wait times for the next couple years. Like Mermaid.

Agreed. I'd even say this ride has been promoted as much, if not more, than Mermaid....

 

[bhg469]

D-ticket ride.

E-ticket draw, promotion and wait times for the next couple years. Like Mermaid.

Mermaid had a 15 minute wait while pan was still 45 when I was there. Mermaid is not much of a draw and its pretty sad because that demographic is very easy to please.

 

[George]

I didn't think it was PC to use labels anymore.

Agreed, plus when I use my old ticket books, they don't seem to accept them anymore, so maybe they are F-J tickets are something now which renders this whole discussion moot. It has been decades and decades since I've been on a ride at WDW or DL. Really frosts my shorts that I can't get anyone to take my tickets anymore. I would suggest this whole thread be destroyed so people aren't confused. Further, we need an intrepid investigator to figure out where we can purchase the new ride tickets. I guarantee you that if you walk up to the mine train with an A-E ticket, those jerks won't take it.

 

[Hakunamatata]

Agreed, plus when I use my old ticket books, they don't seem to accept them anymore, so maybe they are F-J tickets are something now which renders this whole discussion moot. It has been decades and decades since I've been on a ride at WDW or DL. Really frosts my shorts that I can't get anyone to take my tickets anymore. I would suggest this whole thread be destroyed so people aren't confused. Further, we need an intrepid investigator to figure out where we can purchase the new ride tickets. I guarantee you that if you walk up to the mine train with an A-E ticket, those jerks won't take it.

They won't even take a ticket and a churro. Have to have some tasteless rubber band around your wrist.

 

[Mawg]

Maybe instead of the old ticket system we should come up with a new way to categorize rides. Ahh who am I kidding, this group would never be able to agree on a new rating/classification system.

 

[DVCOwner]

D-ticket ride.

E-ticket draw, promotion and wait times for the next couple years. Like Mermaid.

Remember that in the day of ticket books an E-ticket was based on draw and wait times. For the first two to four years this will be a E-ticket for sure.

 

[space42]

Remember that in the day of ticket books an E-ticket was based on draw and wait times. For the first two to four years this will be a E-ticket for sure.

Not exactly - they were related to how much an attraction cost to build and maintain. It usually corresponded that the most expensive attractions were 'the best' and commanded the longest wait times.

 

[DVCOwner]

Not exactly - they were related to how much an attraction cost to build and maintain. It usually corresponded that the most expensive attractions were 'the best' and commanded the longest wait times.

When Disneyland made its first major expansion in 1959, it also expanded its "A", "B", "C" and "D" tickets to include the new "E" ticket for some of the park's new rides that included the Submarine Voyage, Matterhorn Bobsleds, and the Monorail attractions. Additionally, some existing "D" ticket rides where moved up to the new "E" ticket. These included the Santa Fe & Disneyland Railroad, Rocket to the Moon, Rainbow Ridge Pack Mules, Rainbow Mountain Stage Coaches, Mark Twain Riverboat, Sailing Ship Columbia, Rafts to Tom Sawyer Island, and Jungle Cruise. Not all of these where the most expensive rides that Disney had built at Walt Disneyland. The Rainbow Ridge Pack Mules, Rainbow Mountain Stage Coaches, Rafts to Tom Sawyer Island where not costly to build, but where very popular and the wait times where very long. As new rides where added in the 1960s and 1970s must of them where "E" ticket rides. When Walt Disney World opened in the 1970's, the coupon system was duplicated at the Magic Kingdom.