2014 Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party dates and tickets now on sale

DisUniversal

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The thing is Disney isn't reaching into anyone's pocket. They are putting a product on a table and asking for money.
...all while neglecting the product available to anyone who pays admission. When is the last time we got a really great, well themed, state of the art, first of it's kind attraction at any of the WDW parks? You know, the type that you can't wait to tell people about? ToT maybe?
 

wannabeBelle

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The thing is Disney isn't reaching into anyone's pocket. They are putting a product on a table and asking for money.
Yes, but at what point does aspects that were including with the regular party admission start getting cut back/ eliminated so the regular guest feels that he isn't getting a premium product anymore? Disney isn't cheap, I don't think it ever really was ( different thread, different discussion) but obviously MANY people, myself included considered it worth the cost. When does the cost become so high, as the "regular" base products no longer will do, as it is not the same experience (real or perceived)? I am kinda with MichWolv, in that if it doesn't impact on the "regular" park experience I Am OK with it being offered. Backstage tours, after hours events, etc. The other stuff? Might be overkill at this point. Marie
 

DisUniversal

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You're taking the argument to the extreme. Comparing Disney to what is essentially stealing is a bit overboard. If someone wants to buy something or throw money at something they can't afford, then it is the consumers issue, not the supplier of the product.
Casinos and televangelists don't steal...they just manipulate peoples emotions to get them to part with money...sort of like Disney. Argument isn't as extreme as you'd like to believe.
 

lebeau

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The thing is Disney isn't reaching into anyone's pocket. They are putting a product on a table and asking for money.

Hey, I'm no communist. But I know a cash grab when I see one. Cash grabs have become the new status quo at WDW - a place that was never cheap to begin with. When we're paying premium prices and you're delivering a less than premium product, it doesn't sit well. But these upcharges add insult to injury. They are for suckers. And the suckers keep lining up. Meaning the days of a premium product for a premium price may never come back.
 

MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
I'm not a fan of Universal Express at all. I think it's perfectly fine to offer as a perk to onsite hotel guests, but don't think it's right that they sell it separately for an additional charge. Wouldn't go so far as to say it's the worst cash grab there is...might have prior to this morning though. :)
I hate it as a perk for onsite guests, although I have indeed used it.
 

WDF

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So Uni crossed that line as well (some years ago, I suspect) with the HHN add on express passes, RIP Tours and such?

The "wrong" thing about upcharges for me is when they take away from what would/should be available to those not paying the upcharge. Allowing pay for express pass/fastpass/flash pass is, IMHO, the worst cash grab there is. And Uni and Six Flags and Cedar Fair and everybody else does it but Disney. I hope Disney doesn't start, and think that we'd bash the heck out of 'em if they did. But the others don't get held to that standard.

As a parkgoer, I want Disney to make the best use of the park assets they can without hurting the experience of the plain ole guest. Wild Africa Trek, the early morning safaris, backstage tours, late night Epcot wind-down, hard ticket events when the park would otherwise be closed, Harambe Nights, special food events, and evening EMH (extending beyond normal closing time) all pose no concerns for me.

Morning EMH I don't like much because it screws up the lines for "regular" guests. And allowing people to pay for prime viewing locations that would otherwise be available to regular guests -- I don't like either.

But the mere fact that an already hard ticket event has upgrades possible doesn't bug me. Until they take away from what would/should otherwise be available to regular hard ticket event people. Of course, determining what would/should be available is a judgment at times, but it's pretty easy when it's something that was available in the past, and is being taken away this year.

I haven't studied the calendar in minute detail, but I am pretty sure that the MK never closes at 7pm EXCEPT for hard ticketed party nights. This is why they annoy me as a passholder...and the dates for Halloween in particular, seem to be expanding. The first party this year is on Labor Day! So, on a national holiday, I, as a passholder, cannot even stay til sunset in the Magic Kingdom because there is a premium upcharged hard ticketed event taking place.
 

MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
Hey, I'm no communist. But I know a cash grab when I see one. Cash grabs have become the new status quo at WDW - a place that was never cheap to begin with. When we're paying premium prices and you're delivering a less than premium product, it doesn't sit well. But these upcharges add insult to injury. They are for suckers. And the suckers keep lining up. Meaning the days of a premium product for a premium price may never come back.
We all have different ideas of what a cash grab is -- there is no objective way to know a "cash grab", just is there is no way to objectively know what "price gouging" is after a disaster. It's in the eye of the beholder. Your eye sees more cash grabs than mine. And mine sees more than Figment2005.
 

MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
I haven't studied the calendar in minute detail, but I am pretty sure that the MK never closes at 7pm EXCEPT for hard ticketed party nights. This is why they annoy me as a passholder...and the dates for Halloween in particular, seem to be expanding. The first party this year is on Labor Day! So, on a national holiday, I, as a passholder, cannot even stay til sunset in the Magic Kingdom because there is a premium upcharged hard ticketed event taking place.
I agree. Check out Uni on HHN. Closing at 6 on Saturdays? Annoys me to no end -- not really, it just annoys me throughout my weekend trip in September.
 

lebeau

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We all have different ideas of what a cash grab is -- there is no objective way to know a "cash grab", just is there is no way to objectively know what "price gouging" is after a disaster. It's in the eye of the beholder. Your eye sees more cash grabs than mine. And mine sees more than Figment2005.

Sometimes there is a fine line between trying to be objective and standing by and watching a massive corporation gut something that used to be great for a few extra bucks.
 

PhotoDave219

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Since someone is brought up Halloween horror nights at universal…

Don't they still have their exclusive tours? Do those include Party admission or is that an extra cost as well?
 

MichWolv

Born Modest. Wore Off.
Premium Member
Sometimes there is a fine line between trying to be objective and standing by and watching a massive corporation gut something that used to be great for a few extra bucks.
Indeed. And which times those are is in the eye of the beholder. Your eye sees fine lines some of the time when mine sees a hazy one. And Figment2005 sees no line.

[Yes, I repeated the same cadence in my response just for fun. It amused me more than just clicking "like"].
 

PhotoDave219

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RIP Tours are an upcharge, I think. Don't include admission. The private RIP Tour might include admission.

I think you're right. From everything I could quickly Google at a traffic light, it looks like you need a ticket to the event as well as paying for the tour.
 

Bolt

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Really? We've done it (for MVMCP). A 1-day ticket at $99 might be ridiculous, but changing a 4-day ticket to a 5-day ticket for $10 to get to go into a park for the first 8 hours of the day is a pretty decent value to me.
Yes - if you have a hopper and are getting additional days after the bulk amount, yes. But the formula listed to what I was replying to was showing 1 park/1 day
 

The Incredible Schmulk

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What is this? A paid event inside a paid event? Just when I was getting used to all of their separately priced ticket ideas, they stretch the concept even further.

In related news, Hollywood Studios to be leveled and replaced with Inceptionland, where guests queue up to entry gate after entry gate to pay increasing amounts to advance further into the center of the park, only to find out that through the final gate is a cardboard cutout of Duffy flipping you the bird set up in front of a mirror so that you can take a selfie with it.

Exit is through a gift shop-themed DVC kiosk. Fastpass+ for the exit is available.
 

MKCP 1985

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...all while neglecting the product available to anyone who pays admission. When is the last time we got a really great, well themed, state of the art, first of it's kind attraction at any of the WDW parks? You know, the type that you can't wait to tell people about? ToT maybe?
7 Dwarfs Mine Train? 2014? How about Expedition Everest, built to be all that. 2006. Talking about neglect . . .
 

Nmoody1

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I'm waiting for them to start taking away things that the average guest who paid to get into the party gets to experience and allowing those only who "upcharged" to experience them (mix and mingle greets, meet and greets whos lines are REALLY long, etc..) I think I read somewhere on here that they were going to start having premium meet and greets in the parks once MM+ was done rolling out (might have just been a rumor, who knows) where guests would have to pay for a meet and greet with, say, Mickey. If they're considering doing that, I could definitely see them doing that with parts of the hard ticket evets.

They did... with the free photo you used to get, and more character meet amd greets, and the winnie the pooh unit from.the parade
 

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