1986 - The House of the Future: Week 9

[PerGron]

And here’s the thing: I am no Star Wars nut. I even agree with Micnerd about the overexposure of the franchise....BUT it seems like the most cohesive theme we’ve got and an opportunity for stories outside the typical “Skywalker Saga”. The idea of doing attractions around galactic gunslingers and bounty hunters is appealing. I think, done properly, this can be way more than just “the Star Wars park”

And I agree with that. I love Star Wars, but I totally get not wanting to overdo the Skywalker Saga storyline.

But there's so many amazing opportunities with Star Wars. We could make a port area themed to a Mon Calamari and Quarren shipping port, like was featured in Mando, around the lake, a town that is sort of Western themed with a pirate cantina and maybe feature Hondo or a Hutt gangster ruling over it.

We could have a coaster where X-Wings and TIE fighters duel without directly tying it to Luke and Vader and the Millenium Falcon, but just X-Wings and TIE.

Plus, we could even do a projection show that is a Mon Cala ballet (like in Revenge of the Sith) or anything else we want. The potentials are limitless, and all we'd have to do is tie it into the greater galaxy.

Personally, I think the most we'd have to do with the Skywalker Saga is have a few of the characters show up for meet and greets. I think Vader and Luke and Chewie and R2 and 3PO should all be present in some capacity, but it shouldn't be their park at all. Focus on the outer rim stuff

 

[NigelChanning]

And I agree with that. I love Star Wars, but I totally get not wanting to overdo the Skywalker Saga storyline.

But there's so many amazing opportunities with Star Wars. We could make a port area themed to a Mon Calamari and Quarren shipping port, like was featured in Mando, around the lake, a town that is sort of Western themed with a pirate cantina and maybe feature Hondo or a Hutt gangster ruling over it.

We could have a coaster where X-Wings and TIE fighters duel without directly tying it to Luke and Vader and the Millenium Falcon, but just X-Wings and TIE.

Plus, we could even do a projection show that is a Mon Cala ballet (like in Revenge of the Sith) or anything else we want. The potentials are limitless, and all we'd have to do is tie it into the greater galaxy.

Don’t forget this meet and greet:

 

[AceAstro]

Okay. Here is my opinion:

I think Star Wars park could be interesting. That being said, if the next 3 eliminations are the Star Wars fans, the final 3 have to work on a park where they don't like/ know the IP well. That's not fun for anyone.

A space station I just don't think works anymore. It could work as a whole land but I don't think as a whole park. You can't have a massive body of water in the middle of a space station.

The one that I think is a safe bet all around is Lost Worlds. There are tons of options to choose for the few lands so allows the remaining characters to not be shoehorned into a specific IP that they don't want to use. Troy, Macchu Pichu with Emporer's New Groove, Atlantis (with a few IP options), Statue of Zeus with Hercules, Maui Nui with Moana, El Dorado, and so on and so forth.

It gives the remaining players new options every week so they aren't just stuck with something they may not like for the next month.

 

[NigelChanning]

Okay. Here is my opinion:

I think Star Wars park could be interesting. That being said, if the next 3 eliminations are the Star Wars fans, the final 3 have to work on a park where they don't like/ know the IP well. That's not fun for anyone.

A space station I just don't think works anymore. It could work as a whole land but I don't think as a whole park. You can't have a massive body of water in the middle of a space station.

The one that I think is a safe bet all around is Lost Worlds. There are tons of options to choose for the few lands so allows the remaining characters to not be shoehorned into a specific IP that they don't want to use. Troy, Macchu Pichu with Emporer's New Groove, Atlantis (with a few IP options), Statue of Zeus with Hercules, Maui Nui with Moana, El Dorado, and so on and so forth.

It gives the remaining players new options every week so they aren't just stuck with something they may not like for the next month.

This is a great point.

Lost Worlds is a safe bet and a good way to get what everyone wants regardless of being a SW fan.

Also, I love the idea of a Emperors New Groove ride

 

[PerGron]

Okay. Here is my opinion:

I think Star Wars park could be interesting. That being said, if the next 3 eliminations are the Star Wars fans, the final 3 have to work on a park where they don't like/ know the IP well. That's not fun for anyone.

A space station I just don't think works anymore. It could work as a whole land but I don't think as a whole park. You can't have a massive body of water in the middle of a space station.

The one that I think is a safe bet all around is Lost Worlds. There are tons of options to choose for the few lands so allows the remaining characters to not be shoehorned into a specific IP that they don't want to use. Troy, Macchu Pichu with Emporer's New Groove, Atlantis (with a few IP options), Statue of Zeus with Hercules, Maui Nui with Moana, El Dorado, and so on and so forth.

It gives the remaining players new options every week so they aren't just stuck with something they may not like for the next month.

My biggest fear with that is making it too similar to DisneySea. Just something about a location of exotic destinations with a large lagoon in the center with classic Disney IP reminds me of a new DisneySea.

However, if this is the route we go, I could see it being overall generally pleasing to do, I'd just want to try to make it unique.

 

[AceAstro]

My biggest fear with that is making it too similar to DisneySea

I can see that but to me, the only lands that could be similar are Mysterious Island and Mermaid Lagoon. Mysterious Island can be tweaked and Mermaid Lagoon would just be their version of Atlantis.

Lost River Delta could be close if we did El Dorado with Indy but we could also do like National Treasure or something as an IP tie in instead.

 

[spacemt354]

National Treasure or something as an IP tie in instead.

 

[PerGron]

I can see that but to me, the only lands that could be similar are Mysterious Island and Mermaid Lagoon. Mysterious Island can be tweaked and Mermaid Lagoon would just be their version of Atlantis.

Lost River Delta could be close if we did El Dorado with Indy but we could also do like National Treasure or something as an IP tie in instead.

I would avoid Atlantis since we already have it featured in Adventure Atoll. Even if it is different, I don't want to overdo Atlantis.

However, while I overall prefer Star Wars, I wouldn't be upset if we went with Lost Worlds so long as we made a careful effort not to make it too similar to DisneySea.

 

[AceAstro]

I would avoid Atlantis since we already have it featured in Adventure Atoll. Even if it is different, I don't want to overdo Atlantis.

I meant Atlantis the place, not the IP. But yes, I agree!!

 

[NigelChanning]

Maybe instead of showing Atlantis as ruins, maybe represent it as Atlantis at its prime? Each of these “lost worlds” can be represented as the time when they were at their peak? The theme can be “Lost Worlds restored”!

 

[Outbound]

I think Lost Worlds is the best compromise for both sides.

 

[NigelChanning]

I think Lost Worlds is the best compromise for both sides.

I agree with that.

 

[PerGron]

I think Lost Worlds is the best compromise for both sides.

If by compromise you mean throwing out both sides and starting fresh

But yeah, I'd rather not have anyone get mad about something as silly as this, so screw it, Lost Worlds has my vote I guess. Hopefully it ends up original and not generic.

 

[Outbound]

If by compromise you mean throwing out both sides and starting fresh

But yeah, I'd rather not have anyone get mad about something as silly as this, so screw it, Lost Worlds has my vote I guess. Hopefully it ends up original and not generic.

Yeah that’s my one worry as well. I think setting the Lost Worlds as in their prime would be a good approach, but we must try to distinguish this from Inventus.

On the other hand, I’m definitely gonna be doing my Space Western park at some point. If I ever get the time expect it to pop up as a solo project.

 

[NigelChanning]

I’d even say that an abandoned Space Station would count as a Lost World. Maybe a Space project from the era of the first moon landing? The project was abandoned and the land takes us to what the Space station could have been?

It may be a stretch

 

[PerGron]

I’d even say that an abandoned Space Station would count as a Lost World. Maybe a Space project from the era of the first moon landing? The project was abandoned and the land takes us to what the Space station could have been?

It may be a stretch

I think we can figure lands after.

It looks like 4 of us (Me, Ace, Outbound, and Nigel) agree, so that gives us majority. With that, let’s get cracking on the entry land

 

[NigelChanning]

Atlantis would be a cool entry land!

Imagine all of the futuristic technology that would come along with Atlantis and the shop/restaurant concepts!

 

[AceAstro]

My apologies, I didn't mean to be condescending nor did I believe my post sounded like that. That's my bad.

I'm not saying your ideas are bad, I'm just so freaking tired of the same stuff over and over and over again. Literally everything that goes into the park HAS to be connected to some IP, no completely original stories whatsoever. I'm going to go bonkers in a hot minute.

Look at the classics. Sure, you've got PPF, but what about IASW? Haunted Mansion? Big Thunder Mountain? Matterhorn? Carousel of Progress? These have stood the te

Why do we have to rely so much on movies for attractions????? Walt Disney didn't have to, so why do we have to?

I'm just so freaking ****ed off that all we can think of is IP because we know it works, and now that's all you guys can freaking think off.

And @PerGron, if you think I'm such a jerk, ****ing evict me then

God, I'm so mad right now, I need to take a chill pill. Please keep conversing. I'll get back to you when I'm sane again

I think he is just trying to be realistic?

Walt didn't use a ton of IPs when Disneyland opened because he didn't have the film catalog Disney has now.

In the last 20 years, only 3 non-IP attractions have opened. Grizzly Gulch and Mystic Manor in Hong Kong were the two most recent ones (2012 and 2013, respectively) with Expedition Everest being the last non-IP North American attraction 14 years ago. Nobody is saying it has to be completely IP-based for the whole park but making an entire park completely original is also extremely unrealistic in the other direction.

 

[PerGron]

My apologies, I didn't mean to be condescending nor did I believe my post sounded like that. That's my bad.

I'm not saying your ideas are bad, I'm just so freaking tired of the same stuff over and over and over again. Literally everything that goes into the park HAS to be connected to some IP, no completely original stories whatsoever. I'm going to go bonkers in a hot minute.

Look at the classics. Sure, you've got PPF, but what about IASW? Haunted Mansion? Big Thunder Mountain? Matterhorn? Carousel of Progress? These have stood the te

Why do we have to rely so much on movies for attractions????? Walt Disney didn't have to, so why do we have to?

I'm just so freaking ****ed off that all we can think of is IP because we know it works, and now that's all you guys can freaking think off.

And @PerGron, if you think I'm such a jerk, ****ing evict me then

God, I'm so mad right now, I need to take a chill pill. Please keep conversing. I'll get back to you when I'm sane again

I’m not going to fight with you, especially in here, but I did want to say...

Adventure Atoll, Centercore Expo, Four Winds Square, The Haunted Lighthouse, The Grand American, most of Disney Quarter. All original stories that we (including you) have worked on. Just because we were discussing an IP to base the park around doesn’t mean there weren’t going to be original ideas and stories present, they just would’ve been set in a universe based around an IP.

But it’s fine, we’re not doing Star Wars anyway, so no need to freak out about it. I didn’t like the passive-aggressive tone that came across in your post, and if that’s not how you meant it, I’m sorry for insinuating you did, but read it again and tell me if it couldn’t come across that way

 

[goofyyukyuk]

Just want to step in and try and diffuse some tensions.
Mickeynerd, I realize that it’s difficult when people disagree with your ideas on how to do stuff; however, this is a team game and it’s essential that you guys don’t start turning on each other over a disagreement on the park direction. Also, it would be fantastic if you guys could make up original backstories for everything, but you have to remember that Walt and his Imagineers had years to come up with their stories, and you all have less than a week to make a land and decide on a theme for the park. Additionally, Walt recognized the importance of IP. Sleeping Beauty Castle was made a few years before the movie was released as an advertisement for the movie. IPs are not the enemy.
The point is that this is a creative game where everybody is entitled to their ideas and opinions on how things are supposed to go, and getting this upset over how people feel about the park is neither helpful nor fair to your other teammates. Every person in the game has valid opinions on this stuff, and they’ve already moved the theme away from the complete IP centric Star Wars project in large part because of your continuous complaints about IP. There is no PM like in SYWTBAI. The goal is to make decisions as a team, and when a decision is made, you don’t need to start ranting at everyone about how stupid their ideas are.
I’m just an unbiased third party, but it’s very important to remember that this is just a game, and you guys have way less time to come up with a theme, formulate backstories, and design lands than Walt and his Imagineers did when they made Disneyland.
You all are doing great, but there’s a point when it needs to be emphasized that this is a game and everyone has opinions that are equally valid, and your team appears to have come to a decision. This ranting only serves to divide everyone further and delay the progress of making a park everyone can be proud of.