Disneyhead'71
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Curious, we just started milk delivery, I bought some rabbit ears (digital) last week, and I recently dropped about 300 bucks on a turntable and some old school vinyl LPs.
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Rumor Bye Bye (Tiki) Birdies?
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I haven't seen the Frozen ride, but I have been on the 7DMT and Ariel rides. IMO they are both MEH.
On the other hand, RSR at DCA is a solid WOW. I think the fans know what Disney is capable of, so it's really disappointing when a long anticipated attraction doesn't live up to expectations.
You mean the ones that make up the majority and are the most profitable?
jt04
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I have come to terms with the fact that that era can never be reproduced. Times change, consumer expectations change, attention spans change. In a sense WDW has become a victim of its own success. Disney is working very hard and spending a ton of money to meet these challenges. Well meaning people are doing the best they can. Who am I to criticise their hard work and efforts?
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Is there nothing the drones of Celebration place dont feel the need to destroy at wdw???
yoda_5729
Well-Known Member
I would be very disappointed to see the removal of the Tiki Room. It is one of the classic attractions at Walt Disney World parks in general. I do understand it doesn't draw the huge guest numbers they might wish for, but it serves it's purpose. Which is to entertain guests of all ages, and be a short entertaining attraction.
Disney World is getting on a slippery slope of removing beloved attractions, which could upset so many people that it puts a rain cloud over their experiences in the park in the future. Lots have discussed that they don't forsee a major attaction being able to go in where the tiki room birds are, but while I think that is true, with the Magic Carpets nearby, and the dole whip sales nearby, I'm not sure you could put anything there that's really all that popular and not cause a huge bottleneck. Though I am not a fan of losing attractions, I would much prefer the Swiss Family Treehouse be repurposed then the Tiki Birds. People when they tour the treehouse can get distracted, and not see a step, and then trip or fall. That coupled with it being open at night I would think would be a large risk that I'm not sure why Disney needs to take. I like the Swiss Family Robinson movie, and like the treehouse, but if something in Adventureland had to be explored I'd prefer the Treehouse. A suggestion I would make to Disney is to advertise the history of the Tiki Room, displaying in the queue the history and the legacy of the attraction. Many people at Disney World go through it like it's an average theme park. They don't understand some of the things they are riding or experiencing are themselves historic and major attractions. Case in point, in the movie Jurassic Park, when Ian Malcolm is talking to Hammond about the park malfuctioning, Malcolm cites the Pirates of the Caribbean ride. In an iconic Universal movie, they cited a Disney ride. The reason was, everyone understood what Pirates was, and that's the reason the joke worked. If he had just mentioned the new trendy rollercoaster, few would have gotten the joke, as the vast majority of the audience never would have ridden it. People love the Sci-Fi Dine in Theater at Hollyuwood Studios because of it's throwback to drive in movie theaters, and even though all they show in the theater is commercials and trailers for sci-fi B movies, people love it because they understand it's not supposed to be Avatar, it's supposed to be stuff from the 50s. Some tourists go into the Tiki Room expecting Soarin' and disappointed when they don't get it. Tiki Room makes no real mention of it's legacy, or history. To a newbie at Disney World, they might honestly think that Pandora and Tiki Room were made at the same time. The difference is that Avatar obviously was made more recently since those B movie commercials, but a structured building, especially one that doesn't age as much because Disney cleans and tries to upkeep the attractions as best as possible, misleads people by not showcasing it's own legacy and history.
People always want the trendy and hip and popular. The difficulty of that, to some degree, is that you will always be racing to build something new or hip, tearing down things that mattered. The Enchanted Tiki Room has stood in the Magic Kingdom since opening day. Every single person who has ever walked into that park, has had the opportunity to experience it, and many could have been entertained or even inspired by it, just as Walt was inspired to do Animatronics from a a small robotic bird cage he had purchased. If a father as a child visited the Magic Kingdom, he could have been 5 when he first sat down in that theater, and now 30 years later, he can point up to the ceiling as he's holding his child's hand, and watch as his kid gets to experience it as well. With the new hip and trendy rollercoaster you can't do that. Even the mindset of those thrill rides is that they are only temporary, because in a few years they'll become mundane in comparison to other trendier rides. By devoting your attention to the new and trendy, your basically acknowledging whatever you build there will only be temporary, because the week it becomes "lame" it has to be taken out for something edgier or cooler. I might argue that Mission Space is already seeing some of the effects of that. Though it is unlikely Disney could hold onto every attraction or ride, obviously it can't, Tiki Room has a legacy with Walt Disney personally, the history of animatronics and the parks, as well as the Sherman Brothers theme song. All of those are reasons why keeping the Tiki Room is beneficial. I can name numerous, attractions throughout Disney World that don't have any of those elements going for it, let alone all of them. The Tiki Birds recently got their own comic book.
I'm all for exploring new thrill rides or experiences, and though Walt Disney himself said Disneyland would never be completed, and that it would always be changing, Walt Disney World offered him and his company the advantage of space. I think if Disneyland can handle having a Tiki Room, in a park who's real estate is monumentally more condensed, Walt Disney World could find the room. Yes, Tiki Room is a throwback, and I can gurantee you that Casablanca at a movie theater today isn't going to get the people in the seats like The Fate and the Furious does, but that doesn't mean it's bad or flawed. The difference is though, we as consumers can view Casablanca anytime we want on our TVs or even smart phones now. Tiki Room is a buiding. People can't just pick it up and put it in their video library. Every once and a while a classic movie will return to the big screen for an anniversary or film festival, but that's an easy change of a film reel. If Tiki Room is removed, the liklihood of it ever returning, which in a way would be Disney admitting they made a mistake, is highly unlikely. That's why people are mad or greatly saddened to see a beloved attraction leave.
Disney World is getting on a slippery slope of removing beloved attractions, which could upset so many people that it puts a rain cloud over their experiences in the park in the future. Lots have discussed that they don't forsee a major attaction being able to go in where the tiki room birds are, but while I think that is true, with the Magic Carpets nearby, and the dole whip sales nearby, I'm not sure you could put anything there that's really all that popular and not cause a huge bottleneck. Though I am not a fan of losing attractions, I would much prefer the Swiss Family Treehouse be repurposed then the Tiki Birds. People when they tour the treehouse can get distracted, and not see a step, and then trip or fall. That coupled with it being open at night I would think would be a large risk that I'm not sure why Disney needs to take. I like the Swiss Family Robinson movie, and like the treehouse, but if something in Adventureland had to be explored I'd prefer the Treehouse. A suggestion I would make to Disney is to advertise the history of the Tiki Room, displaying in the queue the history and the legacy of the attraction. Many people at Disney World go through it like it's an average theme park. They don't understand some of the things they are riding or experiencing are themselves historic and major attractions. Case in point, in the movie Jurassic Park, when Ian Malcolm is talking to Hammond about the park malfuctioning, Malcolm cites the Pirates of the Caribbean ride. In an iconic Universal movie, they cited a Disney ride. The reason was, everyone understood what Pirates was, and that's the reason the joke worked. If he had just mentioned the new trendy rollercoaster, few would have gotten the joke, as the vast majority of the audience never would have ridden it. People love the Sci-Fi Dine in Theater at Hollyuwood Studios because of it's throwback to drive in movie theaters, and even though all they show in the theater is commercials and trailers for sci-fi B movies, people love it because they understand it's not supposed to be Avatar, it's supposed to be stuff from the 50s. Some tourists go into the Tiki Room expecting Soarin' and disappointed when they don't get it. Tiki Room makes no real mention of it's legacy, or history. To a newbie at Disney World, they might honestly think that Pandora and Tiki Room were made at the same time. The difference is that Avatar obviously was made more recently since those B movie commercials, but a structured building, especially one that doesn't age as much because Disney cleans and tries to upkeep the attractions as best as possible, misleads people by not showcasing it's own legacy and history.
People always want the trendy and hip and popular. The difficulty of that, to some degree, is that you will always be racing to build something new or hip, tearing down things that mattered. The Enchanted Tiki Room has stood in the Magic Kingdom since opening day. Every single person who has ever walked into that park, has had the opportunity to experience it, and many could have been entertained or even inspired by it, just as Walt was inspired to do Animatronics from a a small robotic bird cage he had purchased. If a father as a child visited the Magic Kingdom, he could have been 5 when he first sat down in that theater, and now 30 years later, he can point up to the ceiling as he's holding his child's hand, and watch as his kid gets to experience it as well. With the new hip and trendy rollercoaster you can't do that. Even the mindset of those thrill rides is that they are only temporary, because in a few years they'll become mundane in comparison to other trendier rides. By devoting your attention to the new and trendy, your basically acknowledging whatever you build there will only be temporary, because the week it becomes "lame" it has to be taken out for something edgier or cooler. I might argue that Mission Space is already seeing some of the effects of that. Though it is unlikely Disney could hold onto every attraction or ride, obviously it can't, Tiki Room has a legacy with Walt Disney personally, the history of animatronics and the parks, as well as the Sherman Brothers theme song. All of those are reasons why keeping the Tiki Room is beneficial. I can name numerous, attractions throughout Disney World that don't have any of those elements going for it, let alone all of them. The Tiki Birds recently got their own comic book.
I'm all for exploring new thrill rides or experiences, and though Walt Disney himself said Disneyland would never be completed, and that it would always be changing, Walt Disney World offered him and his company the advantage of space. I think if Disneyland can handle having a Tiki Room, in a park who's real estate is monumentally more condensed, Walt Disney World could find the room. Yes, Tiki Room is a throwback, and I can gurantee you that Casablanca at a movie theater today isn't going to get the people in the seats like The Fate and the Furious does, but that doesn't mean it's bad or flawed. The difference is though, we as consumers can view Casablanca anytime we want on our TVs or even smart phones now. Tiki Room is a buiding. People can't just pick it up and put it in their video library. Every once and a while a classic movie will return to the big screen for an anniversary or film festival, but that's an easy change of a film reel. If Tiki Room is removed, the liklihood of it ever returning, which in a way would be Disney admitting they made a mistake, is highly unlikely. That's why people are mad or greatly saddened to see a beloved attraction leave.
Kman101
Well-Known Member
But why do you choose to let it bother you? Just post what you want and go about your day. Stop worrying about someone living in the past. And you say an opinion is just an opinion. Well what do you think the rest of us have that you seem to want to dismiss? I've never had issues with your posts but you're accusing us of doing exactly what you're doing.
People, it's just a message board. It's just a discussion board. Stop fretting over who's negative and who's a pixie duster.
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
To the New Diznee Screenz rule.
I knew the Garner-Holt deal was just a prelude to dumping them entirely. The Chappie being the second coming of the pressler nightmare is back In all of its terrible reality.
Especially this quote.
"The only moving part in a Disney Park should be a cash register drawer". The Paul Pressler Cynthia Hariss days are back with a bang. Perhaps Chappie can hire them again as they have experience along these lines...
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Kman101
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You're just living in the past. Rip 'em out for Moana! Rip em out for more meet and greets!! They're much more magical and wonderful. Stop being so negative.
And yes, that's sarcasm and that's how some of you "more positive" people come across.
Sorry Matt, just happened to use your post as an example
Kman101
Well-Known Member
Isn't it cute that those who think they're "more positive" are so dismissive and almost rude to the rest of us "negative nellies"?
HMF
Well-Known Member
None of this strikes you as creepy?
danlb_2000
Premium Member
I think this is why you are often at odds with other people, some of us believe that it's not an either-or situation, we believe they Disney can do the things that made them great in the past, and still cater to a modern guest. Some people also don't agree that Disney is "doing the best they can".
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Preaching to the choir here brother ive already stopped visiting the parks and my dvc is on the bubble as they say
Kman101
Well-Known Member
I wish it mattered if we stopped going, but we make up the very tiniest portion. It'd be different at say Disneyland were they have a million APers who WOULD put a dent in attendance and spending if they stopped going.
At least the "modern new guest" (we're just living in the past and negative, dontcha know?) are starting to whine to guest services about stale offerings (or so it appears). It's not enough but it's at least helped push some things (good, bad, doesn't matter, at least some things are changing).
ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
Their cable networks would disagree with you as they are bleeding subs by 600,000 households per month. And from last Earnings call WDW had a decline in gateclicks. For those who want the souce go listen to the call on disneys investor relations site
Otterhead
Well-Known Member
That they say hello and know my name on a ride? Not in the slightest; in context, there's nothing creepy about being greeted.
That they use my MagicBand to put photos into the account I purchased? No, that's sort of the whole point of Memory Maker.
That they can surprise kids with pre-arranged birthday greetings approved by parents? Again... creepy?
I guess it depends on how paranoid you are.
Creepy? Yes.
That's just how a work colleague described it to me. One who doesn't know the history of MyTragic.
Scuttle
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They need to embrace and showcase Walts genius more. I don't get why they want to get away from that....
They also say it opened in 1956...