EPCOT Journey of Water featuring Moana coming to Epcot

[marni1971]

It's the inherent problem with IP insertion, especially ones that don't have lasting power, Because in 3-5 years, will anyone care about a mediocre IP such as Moana? I mean you can force feed it to guests, but that won't make them have any attachment to it or care about it.

If it were in a more suitable area, like DAK, at least it’d still fit even if no one knew what it was based on.

 

[marni1971]

Remember when that huge point was made at D23 that guests want "more shade" and literally all that ever came from that was a canopy over Slinky Dog Dash? And here we are taking down a massive enclosure for IP fountains.

Not only more shade, but less storm cover.

 

[monothingie]

It's the inherent problem with IP insertion, especially ones that don't have lasting power, Because in 3-5 years, will anyone care about a mediocre IP such as Moana? I mean you can force feed it to guests, but that won't make them have any attachment to it or care about it.

Plus we all know how good Disney is at updating stale IP based attractions.

 

[FigmentFan82]

My apologies. I was trying to leverage off of your experience to enunciate the point that unthemed fountains, regardless of the guest impact they have (particularly on the kiddos) seemingly aren't viewed as enough, and I believe the ability to monetize the concept is one of the contributing factors towards this being greenlit. Didn't mean to come across as trying to belittle you or anything.

Sorry for my brashness, as I understand no ill intent was meant. I just wanted to share a personal story that shows how we as adults can get lost in the weeds with these things to the point of rather rude ridicule (not you, another poster), while in reality kids will be able to find great enjoyment and create wonderful memories from it. Which is again why I pointed out that I too wish other paths had been taken instead of these attractions. There's plenty from my childhood that are no longer there in WDW. I can't change the direction of the company, only hope that my kids will find joy in what's there.

 

[J4546]

I think a walk through attraction about the journey of water fits at epcot very well, especially right in front of the land/seas pavilions. Its gonna be a great addition imo. I hope they incorporate those musical fountains like at treasure cove!

 

[AshaNeOmah]

It's the inherent problem with IP insertion, especially ones that don't have lasting power, Because in 3-5 years, will anyone care about a mediocre IP such as Moana? I mean you can force feed it to guests, but that won't make them have any attachment to it or care about it.

Moana's probably my favorite Disney Animation Studios film in the last 20 years, maybe since Aladdin/Lion King..

I also like it because they're not going to get a sequel out of it, I bet. I always like not topping pigs with more pigs.

 

[trainplane3]

Remember when that huge point was made at D23 that guests want "more shade" and literally all that ever came from that was a canopy over Slinky Dog Dash? And here we are taking down a massive enclosure for IP fountains.

Not only more shade, but less storm cover.

I think everyone wants more shade in FW but no one on the team realized how much cover the buildings gave. It's extremely disappointing. It feels like it was designed in California before anyone spent a week in Florida.

You could've done neat things with those buildings by keeping a side feeling FW but the other side integrating into nature. I guess that would've been too interesting and exciting though.

 

[doctornick]

It's the inherent problem with IP insertion, especially ones that don't have lasting power, Because in 3-5 years, will anyone care about a mediocre IP such as Moana? I mean you can force feed it to guests, but that won't make them have any attachment to it or care about it.

Moana has constantly been among the highest streaming movies every single week. Not on just Disney+ on any streamer including Netflix. It’s pretty much the most popular Disney animated feature of the past 15 years or so after Frozen.

Short point: Moana is very popular and has staying power. It’s not going anywhere. That doesn't mean that it should be used in Epcot (though I'm on the side that things this is an okay-ish use of IP for that park) but "mediocre" is not a way I would describe the IP.

 

[J4546]

I hope they put in a lot of trees and give a really dense jungle vibe to that area with lots of shade!

 

[FigmentFan82]

Moana's probably my favorite Disney Animation Studios film in the last 20 years, maybe since Aladdin/Lion King..

I also like it because they're not going to get a sequel out of it, I bet. I always like not topping pigs with more pigs.

I love Moana too. I think it's a wonderful and beautiful film. Also...

‘Moana,’ ‘Cars,’ ‘Princess and the Frog’ Spinoff Series Set for Disney Plus

Disney is developing an animated series based on the feature film "Moana."

variety.com

 

[Skywise]

Anyone remember the old waterfall “attraction” at the Disneyland Hotel?

That was supposedly one of the inspirations for the Bellagio fountains.

 

[dsinclair]

It's the inherent problem with IP insertion, especially ones that don't have lasting power, Because in 3-5 years, will anyone care about a mediocre IP such as Moana? I mean you can force feed it to guests, but that won't make them have any attachment to it or care about it.

I'm curious what you're basing this off?

 

[monothingie]

Moana has constantly been among the highest streaming movies every single week. Not on just Disney+ on any streamer including Netflix. It’s pretty much the most popular Disney animated feature of the past 15 years or so after Frozen.
Short point: Moana is very popular and has staying power. It’s not going anywhere

We will see in 5 years.
For perspective Tiger King racked up more streamed minutes than both Moana and Mando, you think that will matter in 5 years?

 

[Skywise]

haha not what i meant (i was more thinking PC), but its one of the few disney movies ive never seen and ive never felt inclined to as well so maybe your answer was the correct one

- It was one of the first Disney movies I never saw in the theaters nor had an inclination to at the time (partially because I was overworked at the time and didn't have the free time) but when I did get to finally see it, it was about what I expected. Not bad but nothing remarkable - kind of like Tarzan which was out around the same time. Treasure Planet...

 

[monothingie]

I'm curious what you're basing this off?

Oh come on you think it’s on par with the Disney IP heavy hitters? It’s ok not great and not terrible.

 

[FigmentFan82]

We will see in 5 years.
For perspective Tiger King racked up more streamed minutes than both Moana and Mando, you think that will matter in 5 years?

Yeah but the Tiger King rooms at the poly are shaping up to look really nice

 

[monothingie]

Yeah but the Tiger King rooms at the poly are shaping up to look really nice

I’d pay extra for those rooms.

 

[James Alucobond]

It's the inherent problem with IP insertion, especially ones that don't have lasting power, Because in 3-5 years, will anyone care about a mediocre IP such as Moana? I mean you can force feed it to guests, but that won't make them have any attachment to it or care about it.

"Brought to you by Moana" will probably have more staying power than "brought to you by Exxon-Mobile".

 

[monothingie]

"Brought to you by Moana" will probably have more staying power than "brought to you by Exxon-Mobile".

At least Exxon Mobil paid for the pavilion.

 

[dsinclair]

Oh come in you think it’s on par with the Disney IP heavy hitters? It’s ok not great and not terrible.

In 2020 it was a 4-year old movie that was the second most streamed on D+ behind the brand new Frozen 2. Yes, I think it is a heavy hitter and quite popular.