News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[yensidtlaw1969]

Can they do that with the water table?

Recall that the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train is built on the site of the former 20,000 Leagues lagoon - my idea was more that they build the Dark Ride at ground level and simply build the Mine Train over it, but if there's anywhere at MK they're safe to dig down a bit it's that specific site.

The entire MK was built on a "rake", angling upwards as you travel north so that the 20,000 Leagues lagoon could be 15 feet or so deep "in the ground" but still actually be above Florida ground level. It was essentially an "above-ground pool" that had the entire park around it built up to give the illusion that it was an "in-ground pool". I'm oversimplifying a little, but still, Disney could dig the former depth of the 20K Lagoon back out and still not run into the water table.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

Add Philharmagic to the list with Laugh Floor as attractions that could easily be relocated to DHS and make both parks better. IMO.

I'd worry we'd lose Muppets if we tried putting another 3D movie in the Studios. I was scared enough when Star Wars moved in. Muppets is a lot of fun and with some update could probably be on par with the rest. The bones are good, tho.

I'd be cool with a relocation of Monster's, though. I actually enjoy the experience. Perhaps it's my trip frequency or my memory making the experience not the same each time. Or perhaps it's gone downhill. But we had a good time going beyond air conditioning.

Remember that you have the utilities level that can be utilized, which the Mine Train already sort of takes advantage of with the way it dips down below the walkway level.

Even then, water table is not this impenetrable fortress right there under the dirt. It varies in its location and even then it can be dealt with, albeit at a cost. Even in the late 60s Disney built the water bridge connecting the Seven Seas Lagoon and Bay Lake (keeping water out is not much different than keeping water in). Every elevator shaft in Florida goes at least 5’-0” below the ground floor, which can be enough to intertwine a ride. There are attractions with basements such as Mission: SPACE, Alien Swirling Saucers, Transformers: The Ride - 3D, Hagrid’s Magical Creatures Motorbike Adventures and the Bourne Stuntacular which was added to the existing building for that show.

Heh. The reason I asked if that was possible was because I wasn't sure. I know the park was build up a level to wind the Utilidors under and some parts of the FLE dip down while others dip up. Wasn't sure if there was enough room and figured I'd ask and see if someone that knows... well... knew.

 

[jt04]

I'd worry we'd lose Muppets if we tried putting another 3D movie in the Studios. I was scared enough when Star Wars moved in. Muppets is a lot of fun and with some update could probably be on par with the rest. The bones are good, tho.

I'd be cool with a relocation of Monster's, though. I actually enjoy the experience. Perhaps it's my trip frequency or my memory making the experience not the same each time. Or perhaps it's gone downhill. But we had a good time going beyond air conditioning.



Heh. The reason I asked if that was possible was because I wasn't sure. I know the park was build up a level to wind the Utilidors under and some parts of the FLE dip down while others dip up. Wasn't sure if there was enough room and figured I'd ask and see if someone that knows... well... knew.

DHS could support two 3D shows in my opinion. Especially since they are relatively different presentations.

Once the Studios reaches full capacity, they will definitely need more attraction capacity and these shows are easy ways to add that. Not sure what the status of Indy is right now. But if it doesn't reopen the capacity issue gets more urgent.

My opinion only.

 

[ToTBellHop]

"Thrill" is a relative term.

For some who don't like heights, being outside and elevated will be thrilling.

Remember, we're in a Disney-park culture in which riding in a convertible at 60 mph is a 'thrill ride.'

The PeopleMover used to be a thrill ride until it stopped crashing. Lawyers ruining everything. Ugh.

 

[owlsandcoffee]

DHS could support two 3D shows in my opinion. Especially since they are relatively different presentations.

Once the Studios reaches full capacity, they will definitely need more attraction capacity and these shows are easy ways to add that. Not sure what the status of Indy is right now. But if it doesn't reopen the capacity issue gets more urgent.

My opinion only.

I think Philharmagic could work well on Sunset Blvd where Beauty and the Beast Live is. Or in Animation Courtyard. Other side of the park, ya know.

 

[marni1971]

I think Philharmagic could work well on Sunset Blvd where Beauty and the Beast Live is. Or in Animation Courtyard. Other side of the park, ya know.

Philharmagic in the Soundstage Restaurant (remember that ?)
MMRR on the Animation plot.
Laugh Floor next to the door coaster.

How easy was that.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Philharmagic in the Soundstage Restaurant (remember that ?)
MMRR on the Animation plot.
Laugh Floor next to the door coaster.

How easy was that.

It really is a shame how much of Walt Disney World could be improved by, like, rearranging some chess pieces.

Obviously it's not as simple as that in reality, but I can't help but think what it'd be like if all the Nemo stuff had been built together in one area instead of spread across parks, and all the Toy Story stuff, and all the Frozen stuff . . .

There's some great Armchair Master Planning that can be done in retrospect. If only they planned that well in advance.

 

[Bocabear]

Create a Monsters Inc. Mini Land behind One Man's Dream... Add MILF and the Tokyo Monsters Inc Dark ride.
]Free up the space in Tomorrowland to have something more Theme-appropriate.

 

[owlsandcoffee]

Philharmagic in the Soundstage Restaurant (remember that ?)
MMRR on the Animation plot.
Laugh Floor next to the door coaster.

How easy was that.

I've been banging the "MMRR should have been in ANIMATION Courtyard drum for a while.

Man, that door coaster would've been cool. I also think TSL should've been a Pixar land, fed from Pixar Place (where SWGE is now). With Ratatouille, door coaster, M,I:LF, etc. Oh well.

 

[jt04]

It really is a shame how much of Walt Disney World could be improved by, like, rearranging some chess pieces.

Obviously it's not as simple as that in reality, but I can't help but think what it'd be like if all the Nemo stuff had been built together in one area instead of spread across parks, and all the Toy Story stuff, and all the Frozen stuff . . .

There's some great Armchair Master Planning that can be done in retrospect. If only they planned that well in advance.

They ran off too many of the old guard before they could pass on all the lessons learned. A lot was lost in that haste.

 

[J4546]

muppets need to be relocated imo. Use the area they occupy in dhs for more star wars, specificaly an endor themed mini land with a ride that flows into the star tours ride. full of trees and a couple more at-ats or whatever theyre called. Something to bridge the awkward gap from star wars-muppets-star wars and create a full star wars cohesive experience with a tunnel seperating the 2 "worlds" as it were. Or maybe just retheme it all to fit in to GE. Watevs. You could put a massive GotG style coaster behind GE as well, a story telling star wars launching coaster that takes you from a rebel base, blasts into space, flying around tie fighters and imerial destroyers, getting to the death star, flying in the canyon and "firing a missle" into the shaft and leaving while it blows up....you could recreate that whole thing with a massive coaster and that would be pretty coolio.

 

[owlsandcoffee]

muppets need to be relocated imo. Use the area they occupy in dhs for more star wars, specificaly an endor themed mini land with a ride that flows into the star tours ride. full of trees and a couple more at-ats or whatever theyre called. Something to bridge the awkward gap from star wars-muppets-star wars and create a full star wars cohesive experience with a tunnel seperating the 2 "worlds" as it were. Or maybe just retheme it all to fit in to GE. Watevs. You could put a massive GotG style coaster behind GE as well, a story telling star wars launching coaster that takes you from a rebel base, blasts into space, flying around tie fighters and imerial destroyers, getting to the death star, flying in the canyon and "firing a missle" into the shaft and leaving while it blows up....you could recreate that whole thing with a massive coaster and that would be pretty coolio.

I think at that point you could have a proper Muppets-land where Indy is now, with the original Great Muppet Movie Ride, restaurants, etc. However the likelihood that they would demolish and rebuild as much as they would have to is nil, at that point they would just sacrifice Kermit.

 

[mergatroid]

Getting back to Tron it looks a really fun ride, if a little bit short. I do love the difference in feel between daytime riding and nighttime riding in the first section under the lit cover.

 

[SilentWindODoom]

DHS could support two 3D shows in my opinion. Especially since they are relatively different presentations.

muppets need to be relocated imo. Use the area they occupy in dhs for more star wars, specificaly an endor themed mini land with a ride that flows into the star tours ride. full of trees and a couple more at-ats or whatever theyre called. Something to bridge the awkward gap from star wars-muppets-star wars and create a full star wars cohesive experience with a tunnel seperating the 2 "worlds" as it were. Or maybe just retheme it all to fit in to GE. Watevs. You could put a massive GotG style coaster behind GE as well, a story telling star wars launching coaster that takes you from a rebel base, blasts into space, flying around tie fighters and imerial destroyers, getting to the death star, flying in the canyon and "firing a missle" into the shaft and leaving while it blows up....you could recreate that whole thing with a massive coaster and that would be pretty coolio.

I'd be happy with this. The problem is that I'd be worried they'd just wind up cutting stuff if they feel it's advantageous to have Muppets leave its current home or feel that Philharmagic is in the same park and more relevant. A budget gets slashed here and there and they wind up evicted or just don't get installed in the new location like Skippy not making it to the second pod.

Once the Studios reaches full capacity, they will definitely need more attraction capacity and these shows are easy ways to add that. Not sure what the status of Indy is right now. But if it doesn't reopen the capacity issue gets more urgent.

I think Philharmagic could work well on Sunset Blvd where Beauty and the Beast Live is. Or in Animation Courtyard. Other side of the park, ya know.

Philharmagic in the Soundstage Restaurant (remember that ?)

I mean... they have the shorts theatre where Sounds Dangerous used to be. Couldn't they use that?

MMRR on the Animation plot.

Wow... I never even thought of that. They had the entire animation plot where Runaway Railway could have been without losing my favorite Studios attraction. That entire subland is just kinda laying fallow right now. I'm just... Wow.

 

[DoleWhipDrea]

I'd be happy with this. The problem is that I'd be worried they'd just wind up cutting stuff if they feel it's advantageous to have Muppets leave its current home or feel that Philharmagic is in the same park and more relevant. A budget gets slashed here and there and they wind up evicted or just don't get installed in the new location like Skippy not making it to the second pod.


I mean... they have the shorts theatre where Sounds Dangerous used to be. Couldn't they use that?


Wow... I never even thought of that. They had the entire animation plot where Runaway Railway could have been without losing my favorite Studios attraction. That entire subland is just kinda laying fallow right now. I'm just... Wow.

It's nice to dream, but the reality is that with the way Disney does things now, they would never spend the money to move an entire attraction into a more suitable location on-property unless it's a flat ride that's easy enough to physically move. I'm all for thematic integrity and cohesion, but not at the expense of losing an attraction and capacity. MMRR was the biggest missed opportunity they had. They didn't want to spend the money maintaining both...a truly foolish long-term decision. DHS still doesn't have enough to do and has an identity problem. The 20th anniversary of the park should have been a time where they seized the moment to fix it.

I'm personally very excited for TRON. I'm not much of a fan of the original film, but I love Legacy and the cool aesthetic. I would really like to see more of that look filter through the rest of the land. And I think most attractions built nowadays don't get enough time, but I'd still rather they get built than not at all. Out of all the things that were announced for the 50th, TRON is what I've been the most excited for.

 

[The Aracuan Bird]

muppets need to be relocated imo. Use the area they occupy in dhs for more star wars, specificaly an endor themed mini land with a ride that flows into the star tours ride. full of trees and a couple more at-ats or whatever theyre called. Something to bridge the awkward gap from star wars-muppets-star wars and create a full star wars cohesive experience with a tunnel seperating the 2 "worlds" as it were. Or maybe just retheme it all to fit in to GE. Watevs. You could put a massive GotG style coaster behind GE as well, a story telling star wars launching coaster that takes you from a rebel base, blasts into space, flying around tie fighters and imerial destroyers, getting to the death star, flying in the canyon and "firing a missle" into the shaft and leaving while it blows up....you could recreate that whole thing with a massive coaster and that would be pretty coolio.

See, for awhile I was considering that. Make an Endor area with a bike speeder coaster. You board the bikes in the woods, drive up to the Launch Base of a New Death Star (a full scale one), drive through the Death Star and confront Darth Vader. But then I realized, I don’t really want more Star Wars. There’s no reason they couldn’t have created more compelling attractions with the Classic content as opposed to what they created.

 

[The Aracuan Bird]

Wow... I never even thought of that. They had the entire animation plot where Runaway Railway could have been without losing my favorite Studios attraction. That entire subland is just kinda laying fallow right now. I'm just... Wow.

They could have made a whole new ToonTown.

 

[J4546]

also im for a modified pixar pier being put in dhs as well, it would add a huge body of water (something the park and all parks need imo) A lot of great rides (modified from pixar pier, like a monsters inc coaster instead of inredicoaster, A sould darkride instead of TSMM etc) and would def help with the flow and crowd management at the park. Using the sunset ave farmers market as kind of a breeze through area to access the pier and also would be a cool thing to see from ToT.

 

[The Aracuan Bird]

also im for a modified pixar pier being put in dhs as well, it would add a huge body of water (something the park and all parks need imo) A lot of great rides (modified from pixar pier, like a monsters inc coaster instead of inredicoaster, A sould darkride instead of TSMM etc) and would def help with the flow and crowd management at the park. Using the sunset ave farmers market as kind of a breeze through area to access the pier and also would be a cool thing to see from ToT.

That’s where you lose me. The pier is the biggest waste of space in any of the American parks. Before the Pixar overlay and after.

 

[J4546]

ALso, I year ya not wanting more star wars, but I want dhs to be THE star wars park. I want 1 disney park to go all out with star wars and then not so much at all in the other parks. Im not a fan of star wars being built in dhs paris, Id rather them go all out in florida and the go all out with frozen in paris. Make fla a destination for star wars fans. And since they building that crazy hotel, might as well be dhs imo