Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[lazyboy97o]

Sometime I have to wonder if this poster is a bot.

Disney websites attract a variety of people with differences. The behavior isn’t that unusual if you pay attention.

 

[correcaminos]

I've been on this forum for nearly a decade, mostly as a reader, but occasional poster. In the first 9 years, I think I had 1 forum member on my ignore list (a fairly notorious one). This thread has caused that list to grow substantially.

I want to joke about things, but I hear you on this.

 

[Mark52479]

The Governor of Florida just ended ALL fines for people and Businesses' in the State of Florida. Local governments can NOT fine any business or person anymore.

We were talking about this a couple of days ago.

@GoofGoof

Edit: actually reading the order over: It says any fines that were handed out in the past year to any business has be wiped away. Starting tomorrow they can start fining business again.

Stupid poorly worded Executive order.

 

[tpac24]

He was the Vice President for 8 years and a Senator for something like 200 years before that

I wasn't talking about poor old Joe. LOL I was referring to DeSantis and the article linked about the FL vaccine update. If I were giving kudos to our leadership on the federal level I would have specifically said Susan Rice but that is entirely different discussion.

 

[mmascari]

Right. Many schools have been able to open safely. But people are pushing for kids to go back into even those schools that aren't ready (many still have no plan, no distancing/shield infrastructure, unwilling and unvaccinated faculty/staff, etc.).

We’re pushing for our school to have a plan. Not just blindly go back.

Last year, the rapid switch to virtual was chaos. Not unexpected. For fall, they did a great job and addressed most issues. Virtual has been as good as expected it could be.

We want that same planning put into school mitigation measures. Most of them aren’t new things. Ventilation improvements are the biggest thing, and they've had months to work on it now. Instead, there’s tons of focus on surface cleaning, the instruction plan is poor, only 50% are even returning and that’s half each week. With only 25% capacity in use, space shouldn’t be an issue.

The plan is to literally have the teacher in a room with 15 kids most of which are not in the class they’re teaching trying to zoom to different classes with headphones. For 8 weeks, 4 days a week. That’s only 16 classes for any given student. It will be like trying to watch the tiki room over zoom while riding the jungle boat and the next kid over is trying to watch carousel of progress. Plus the kid at home watching this teacher over zoom. Bad for the skipper and all participants. They may actually break what’s working virtually too.

This isn’t a poor district either. Money is not the issue. I mean, we don’t have money like the private high school in town that tests students every time they get to campus, hybrid so it’s “only” 2-3 tests a week per kid. Bonus, one of my kids hangs out with someone who goes there, distanced and with masks, but with all that testing we would know right away.

 

[GoofGoof]

I wasn't talking about poor old Joe. LOL I was referring to DeSantis and the article linked about the FL vaccine update. If I were giving kudos to our leadership on the federal level I would have specifically said Susan Rice but that is entirely different discussion.

That makes more sense. It’s hard to say who’s doing well with vaccine rollout. Based on Bloomberg tracker FL is in bottom 1/3 of states for supply used, percent of population given 1 dose and percent of population given both doses. The percentages aren’t too far below the national average so I’m not sure it makes a difference. I think for the most part most of the states have figured this out pretty well. DeSantis has had some missteps with those gated communities getting private vaccine clinics when only hospital workers were supposed to be eligible, but that‘s a small fraction of the total doses administered.

 

[Disney Experience]

Since Israel is a leading nation in percent population vaccinated it is good to see that their R number is now 0.90 and that only 3.3% of test are returning positive. Hospitalization is declining too.

Fewer deaths, less infection: Israel sees improvement on all COVID fronts

Only 3.3 Percent of Coronavirus Tests in Israel Returned Positive on Wednesday, Accompanied by a Drop in the Infection Rate and Number of Seriously Ill

www.haaretz.com

In contrast Brazil has only vaccinated 3% of their population with the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine.(They are asking the Chinese Government for more vaccine) and has the second highest death toll in the world. Normally Brazil is a big WDW customer, but if their situation remains as it is, it may be a long time before Disney sees Brazilian tourists.

While the state of Alaska has now opened up vaccination to everyone 16 and over.

 

[MaryJaneP]

Can the kids go back to school and have the teachers piped in remotely? This would seem to attack both the socialization concerns and the infecting staff concerns at the same time. There seem to be some classes (i.e. chemistry lab) that would be hard to handle. Maybe "each one teach one", by using older students as classroom aides would work to overcome some of these hurdles. A viable alternative to the hybrid systems currently being variably used in some districts.

 

[GoofGoof]

Since Israel is a leading nation in percent population vaccinated it is good to see that their R number is now 0.90 and that only 3.3% of test are returning positive. Hospitalization is declining too.

Fewer deaths, less infection: Israel sees improvement on all COVID fronts

Only 3.3 Percent of Coronavirus Tests in Israel Returned Positive on Wednesday, Accompanied by a Drop in the Infection Rate and Number of Seriously Ill

www.haaretz.com

In contrast Brazil has only vaccinated 3% of their population with the Chinese Sinopharm vaccine.(They are asking the Chinese Government for more vaccine) and has the second highest death toll in the world. Normally Brazil is a big WDW customer, but if their situation remains as it is, it may be a long time before Disney sees Brazilian tourists.

While the state of Alaska has now opened up vaccination to everyone 16 and over.

56% of the population has 1 dose and 44% both. They reopened most of their economy (bars, restaurants, sporting events, all schools, etc...) with certain activities limited to those people vaccinated. Could be us in a matter of a month or so when we hit those percentages.

 

[danlb_2000]

That makes more sense. It’s hard to say who’s doing well with vaccine rollout. Based on Bloomberg tracker FL is in bottom 1/3 of states for supply used, percent of population given 1 dose and percent of population given both doses. The percentages aren’t too far below the national average so I’m not sure it makes a difference. I think for the most part most of the states have figured this out pretty well. DeSantis has had some missteps with those gated communities getting private vaccine clinics when only hospital workers were supposed to be eligible, but that‘s a small fraction of the total doses administered.

I was looking at the numbers from the site below and there isn't really a huge spread between the "best" states and worst. For percent population with one dose, New Mexico is at the top with 26% and Georgia is at the bottom with 13.4%, with the whole US being at 18.4% For complete vaccination, Alaska is on top with 16% and Utah on the bottom with 7.1% with the US at 9.6%. The spread of doses used is 76% up to 87%.

How is the COVID-19 vaccination campaign going in your state?

The U.S. is engaged in a massive effort to vaccinate the bulk of its population against COVID-19. But some states are working faster than others. See how yours is faring.

www.npr.org

 

[GoofGoof]

I was looking at the numbers from the site below and there isn't really a huge spread between the "best" states and worst. For percent population with one dose, New Mexico is at the top with 26% and Georgia is at the bottom with 13.4%, with the whole US being at 18.4% For complete vaccination, Alaska is on top with 16% and Utah on the bottom with 7.1% with the US at 9.6%. The spread of doses used is 76% up to 87%.

How is the COVID-19 vaccination campaign going in your state?

The U.S. is engaged in a massive effort to vaccinate the bulk of its population against COVID-19. But some states are working faster than others. See how yours is faring.

www.npr.org

Agreed. I know PA fell behind in the beginning but has pulled back to around average. The difference in percentages isn’t great and is likely pretty quick to change. I think the state and local governments will be critical in the next phase when the surge in demand dies down and they have to run programs to get vaccine hesitant people to come in. That’s when there could be a much larger difference between states and much more criticism for falling behind. Right now pretty much everyone gets a gold star ️

 

[seabreezept813]

Still can’t believe that no essential workers are getting priority. People who spent the last year showing up for work every day to keep the lights on, keep us fed, transport us, etc... despite the personal risk and risk to their loved ones and they will just be waiting even longer as anyone who can get online and click a mouse fast enough will get the appointments first. Sad to see someone only interested in governing half the population

This has been driving me crazy. I’ve seen available appointments all week at our local hospital but can’t book my husband. I keep looking because I’m due to have a baby this weekend so I wanted to find a time for late next week for myself. But in March, while lots of the world stayed home, my husband delivered food in an 18 wheeler with no access to rest stops, PPE, or sanitizer. And I’m not allowed to book him appointments that are not being used.. give me a break.

 

[Tom P.]

My vaccination appointment is at 3:30 p.m. tomorrow. I found out today I will be receiving the Moderna vaccine. Wish me luck! I'm hopeful I'll have minimal or no side effects, but I've had Covid and I've read that for people who've had it, the first shot can be as bad as the second for others.

 

[GoofGoof]

My vaccination appointment is at 3:30 p.m. tomorrow. I found out today I will be receiving the Moderna vaccine. Wish me luck! I'm hopeful I'll have minimal or no side effects, but I've had Covid and I've read that for people who've had it, the first shot can be as bad as the second for others.

Good luck. My appointment is 2:15 tomorrow. No cancelation this time

 

[correcaminos]

Can the kids go back to school and have the teachers piped in remotely? This would seem to attack both the socialization concerns and the infecting staff concerns at the same time. There seem to be some classes (i.e. chemistry lab) that would be hard to handle. Maybe "each one teach one", by using older students as classroom aides would work to overcome some of these hurdles. A viable alternative to the hybrid systems currently being variably used in some districts.

Kids in school with teacher via zoom? Who would monitor the kids? You cannot use kids to watch kids either when trying to contact trace. They are not reliable enough. It is harder to socialize distanced. Some schools did part in person and part streaming. That seemed to work better than what we had. It allowed kids to be together with their class instead of feeling isolated.

My vaccination appointment is at 3:30 p.m. tomorrow. I found out today I will be receiving the Moderna vaccine. Wish me luck! I'm hopeful I'll have minimal or no side effects, but I've had Covid and I've read that for people who've had it, the first shot can be as bad as the second for others.

Good luck! Hope it won't be too bad for you.

Good luck. My appointment is 2:15 tomorrow. No cancelation this time

Woo hoo!

 

[pixie225]

Can the kids go back to school and have the teachers piped in remotely? This would seem to attack both the socialization concerns and the infecting staff concerns at the same time. There seem to be some classes (i.e. chemistry lab) that would be hard to handle. Maybe "each one teach one", by using older students as classroom aides would work to overcome some of these hurdles. A viable alternative to the hybrid systems currently being variably used in some districts.

As a retired teacher, I had to giggle when I read this. The liability issues that would cause would be tremendous. My district does allow uncertified substitutes/aides in the classroom, but they must be "vetted" first - fingerprinted, background check, etc. Putting a student in charge of other students - no. Any kind of accident that may occur - kid tripping and falling, kid being tripped and falling - would really be a major problem for the school district. My district has a hybrid model - one teacher in classroom with the students, another in an empty classroom teaching remotely to students at home. Not great, but working for the moment.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

What happened on March 8?

 

[seascape]

As expected the NY Times is now reporting Florida is down to 22 cases per 100,000. However, there are still 3 states in the 30's. 7 in the 20's, 37 in the 10's and 4 in single digits. But there is good news as 2 States, Vermont and Connecticut are at 20 and about to go down to the teens. There are also 4 States, North Dakota, Kansas. Wisconsin and Wyoming at 10 and about to enter the single digits. On the horrible side New Jersey increased to 38 and New York stayed at 37 but Rhode Island went down to 31 so hopefully in a day or 2 we will be down to 2 states in the 30's, 6 in the 20s, 35 in the 10's and 8 in single digits. It is mindboggling to think that California will soon be be in single digits while NY and NJ will still be in the 30's. Something is wrong with that. California has show great progress over the last few weeks buy not NY and NJ. Yes, they have variants but so does the rest of the country and yet only those 2 states show no improvement. It's not what you see in public but behind closed doors. Too many gatherings? Something is wrong and it should be publicized. NJ is 58.33% higher than number 4 DC and 72.7% higher than Florida. NO EXCUSE!

 

[Touchdown]

As expected the NY Times is now reporting Florida is down to 22 cases per 100,000. However, there are still 3 states in the 30's. 7 in the 20's, 37 in the 10's and 4 in single digits. But there is good news as 2 States, Vermont and Connecticut are at 20 and about to go down to the teens. There are also 4 States, North Dakota, Kansas. Wisconsin and Wyoming at 10 and about to enter the single digits. On the horrible side New Jersey increased to 38 and New York stayed at 37 but Rhode Island went down to 31 so hopefully in a day or 2 we will be down to 2 states in the 30's, 6 in the 20s, 35 in the 10's and 8 in single digits. It is mindboggling to think that California will soon be be in single digits while NY and NJ will still be in the 30's. Something is wrong with that. California has show great progress over the last few weeks buy not NY and NJ. Yes, they have variants but so does the rest of the country and yet only those 2 states show no improvement. It's not what you see in public but behind closed doors. Too many gatherings? Something is wrong and it should be publicized. NJ is 58.33% higher than number 4 DC and 72.7% higher than Florida. NO EXCUSE!

Or a varient is taking hold more strongly in NY/NJ. WI is currently doing great, but I can confidently say it’s not because Wisconsinites are “behaving” better then the average, we love our bars they are packed like normal, and the great southern migration known as Spring Break is in full swing. Mask wearing is average and I’ve seen a lot of noses hanging out of masks lately.

Basically I doubt Wisconsinites are behaving better then New Yorkers. I really think it’s a varient, but the good news is that it’s not causing a surge but a plateau, and the more we vaccinate the quicker it starts dropping again.

 

[matt9112]

That's how our Wednesdays are too, including if they go back Wednesday will still be virtual. The kids call it a day off. Very few make use of the office hours time. I do hope it's helping the kids that need it, and I've told my oldest to use it more than once when a grade slipped.


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In my case, both kids moved up and into new schools that combined kids from many schools of the prior grade. Which means they don't know most of the other kids, only the ones that came from the same prior school as them.

Teachers will put them in break out rooms for a group activity with like 4 kids. This is 4 kids that don't know each other trying to work on some group action over zoom. Almost all with camera's off and probably the mic too. Very little happens in these break out rooms.

It's hard to meet classmates when they're just a name in the participant list, even if they have a little video box. It's not like they're talking before or after class.

Plus all the tech issues that need to be solved by the in home technical support team. Don't you know I could be reading this forum more if I wasn't providing tech support?

It's easy for something to go wrong and just get left behind for any single class.

I'm lucky, my kids are old enough that they're mostly independent. We solved most of the technical issues the first month, but now and then something still comes up. This included replacing the entire Wi-Fi infrastructure in the house. People with kids in grammar school or younger have it much harder with every grade lower being exponentially harder than the one above.

Nothing like some house wifi to be a true first world problem.