Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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lazyboy97o

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Well there are other high risk groups than 65+. If we count the number of *everyone* who is high risk, are the doses distributed proportionally?

The poor and minorities are also of a higher risk... following the science. So, are special distribution sites being set up for them?

I don't know the demographics of FL. I don't know which counties and towns have the highest number of at-risk human beings. But the optics of targeting a rich, elderly community isn't good unless they can show the demographics that, indeed, this area of FL has a much higher percentage of at risk people than others.
 

co10064

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Just another trip report so feel free to scroll, but I just returned from my first "COVID-era" trip.

Most parks were generally filled to their respective reservation capacities while we were in them. Everyone has their opinions on how the government and businesses should be handling COVID, but I will say I thought Disney did remarkably well. Crowds were present but not overwhelming and social distancing was easy to maintain if you wanted to. My party felt safe the entire trip. Never once did we see the mask requirement violated.

We were comfortable with roller-coasters being filled to capacity, as you generally are only on them for short periods of time. It made the lines move quicker for us, though the wait times were very over-inflated. The crowds certainly weren't non-existent, but they were much lower than they have been this time in previous years.

The only "negative" note I would say was that most snack carts were closed (lack of staffing due to cutting costs(?)), which made finding snacks or beverages very difficult at times. Overall we had a great trip. I'm very glad we went, though I would say if it's your first visit to probably wait until after COVID.
 

DCBaker

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"Massive winter storms across the Midwest and Texas have delayed the delivery of 6 million Covid-19 vaccine doses affecting every state in the U.S., the nation’s top health officials said Friday.

The backlog represents three days worth of delayed shipments, White House senior advisor for Covid response Andy Slavitt said during a press briefing.

“Many states have been able to cover some of this delay with existing inventory,” Slavitt said.

The delayed shipments stem from three main points in the vaccines distribution chain impacted by the weather, he said. Delivery hubs at UPS, FedEx and McKesson, which have been charged with delivering the doses to the states, have reported staffing shortages."

"Slavitt added that because of strict cold-chain requirements for storing the doses, it’s better to hold back the shipments than to send them to those places where the shots might expire after three days. He added that the vaccines are “sitting safe and sound in our factories and hubs ready to be shipped” as soon as the weather improves.

“As weather conditions improve, we are already looking to clear this backlog,” Slavitt said, adding that 1.4 million doses are being shipped on Friday. He said the administration anticipates “all the backlog doses will be delivered in the next week.”

“We expect we will be able to manage this backlog and the new production coming online next week,” Slavitt said."


 

Tay

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Be careful what you wish for.

Our cases in the UK have gone down from 68,000 a day to 12/13,000 this week and are currently dealing around 25% week on week. Hospitalisations and ICU cases are also going down, especially in the over 80s of which 90% have been vaccinated. We will have vaccinated around 25% of our people in a few days.

However, we are now using quarantine hotels if you come from a red list country (one of which is Portugal with Spain likely next), and our health minister has said if you dont declare you are coming back from a country such as this you can be thrown in jail for 10 years. Never mind its illegal to travel anyway, not only abroad but within the UK and even between counties in England.

We have the ridiculous situation where tonight a government source reassured parents that they can take their children to the playground 'for exercise' but they aren't allowed to socialise with other children or adults. We have been told today no summer holidays are likely either at home or abroad and that restrictions will be the same until the autumn when jabs for variants are produced!

We have no sign or no hope of getting out of this any time soon - in fact the restrictions seem to be getting worse. We seem to be finding variants behind every sofa which will keep us locked up for most of this year IMO - very depressing
Every scientist said we wouldn’t get back to normal until late 2022 during the first quarantine. I didn’t expect or want a lockdown until then. Reasonably would have been until after the summer. I just want a proper lockdown to help the healthcare system out. The first lockdown was a joke. People in the south where I live said f it in May and before that were just hanging out maskless in Walmart and they didn’t even require masks until late July. Plus the gazillion of people who travelled on those cheap flights. I don’t think places like retail stores should have closed or even salons but dining in, sporting events, theme parks, water parks, school, non essential flights, going to the beach and things like that should be closed until more people get vaccinated.

My brother is a college athlete and caught it from a teammate and finally just tested negative after 10 days, yesterday. They sent him home to quarantine and his room is right next door to mine’s. These past 10 days my anxiety has been through the roof and my mental health progress has declined. As someone with a pre existing condition I haven’t been able to sleep, I’ve been over eating, and just living in fear because his dumb school held his scholarship over his head.
 

oceanbreeze77

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"Two younger-looking women “came dressed up as grannies” to the Orange County Convention Center on Wednesday to try to get COVID vaccinations, health official Dr. Raul Pino said Thursday.

“The bonnets, the gloves, the glasses, the whole thing,” Pino said at an Orange County coronavirus news briefing.

The women were seeking their second coronavirus shots, Pino said.

Pino said he lacked details on how they could have gotten first dosages but said the women carried valid Centers for Disease Control and Prevention vaccination cards on Wednesday.

But “there were some issues with their IDs and their driver’s licenses,” he said.

The Orange County Sheriff’s Office told Spectrum News in an email late Thursday that personnel from the Florida Department of Health in Orange County asked deputies to “issue trespass warnings to two women who arrived at the (Convention Center) site for Covid vaccinations, with dates of birth that did not match those they had used to register for the vaccines. The names, however, did match the registration.”

The sheriff’s office said it took no other action.

The women were ages 34 and 44, according to dates of birth that the sheriff’s office provided.

The sheriff’s office said it had no other information. “And we don’t have any information about whether they were wearing disguises or how they were dressed,” it said.

Pino, the health official, noted a “very high demand” for the vaccinations in Orange County, as elsewhere, and said “there have been a few” such cases of residents misrepresenting themselves in attempts to get vaccinated.

In another case, Pino said, a man with the same name as his father showed identification that included a different birthday than his father.

“They’re all different and creative,” Pino said of such vaccination attempts. “But we have access to a lot of information, so we can quickly verify who is who.”"


This sounds like it should be a Monty Python sketch.
TBH...I appreciate a good hustle and I would have given it to them.
 

Touchdown

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Can one of our medical experts explain this?


I quote the abstract:

“While the clinical impact of neutralization resistance remains uncertain, these results highlight the potential for variants to escape from neutralizing humoral immunity and emphasize the need to develop broadly protective interventions against the evolving pandemic”

Basically, we noticed in the lab the antibody effects were lessened on the varients but we don’t know what that means in a clinical setting. Other studies point towards all the vaccines at the very least preventing all severe disease, we have yet to see a varient mutate to cause vaccine escape. You should only start worrying if you hear large amount of fully vaccinated people getting hospitalized, until then things are probably fine.
 

sullyinMT

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I quote the abstract:

“While the clinical impact of neutralization resistance remains uncertain, these results highlight the potential for variants to escape from neutralizing humoral immunity and emphasize the need to develop broadly protective interventions against the evolving pandemic”

Basically, we noticed in the lab the antibody effects were lessened on the varients but we don’t know what that means in a clinical setting. Other studies point towards all the vaccines at the very least preventing all severe disease, we have yet to see a varient mutate to cause vaccine escape. You should only start worrying if you hear large amount of fully vaccinated people getting hospitalized, until then things are probably fine.
Dr. Fauci also reiterated the importance of both doses for a more complete, broad, protection earlier this week in the WH briefing. Not skipping dose #2. The second tweet in the chain mentions this is seen in the one dose lab studies (though when I skimmed the abstract I didn't see that mentioned).
 

MisterPenguin

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Can one of our medical experts explain this?


"The vaccines that causes anti-bodies to be made are weak to some variants."

Which we already know in the real world.

So far, real world results are that, tho weakened, vaccines still prevent hospitalization and death.

Also, there are T-cell protections that this study doesn't go into.
 

sullyinMT

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I mean honestly, do we need this type of information right now that will discourage people from getting vaccinated, especially when it actually doesn't mean anything yet?

Screw it. Vaccines won't work. Covid wins.
Everyone stay home. Forever.

yeesh....
I mean, it's good people are studying this so that we can stay ahead of the game. But, I agree, the twit-mob et al need to calm down for a long while.
 

CaptainAmerica

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ABQ

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"Access" has nothing to do with it. Tons of polls have been done and the results are very consistent. Five groups of people don't even WANT the vaccine: Black, Hispanic, Republican, Rural, and Young.
And in my state, 25% of healthcare workers. Though maybe they fall into the other categories above.


And the trend is similar across the nation


Nonetheless, many long-term care staff continue to refuse the COVID-19 vaccine. In a recent CDC report, nursing homes had a median vaccination rate of 37.5% for staff during the first month of the federal vaccination effort; by comparison, a median of 77.8% of nursing home residents received the vaccine. This has surprised some policymakers. Recently, Maryland’s acting health secretary told state lawmakers that about one-third to one-half of staff offered the vaccine chose to have it –– nowhere near an expectation of 80% to 90%.​
 

Disney Experience

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"Access" has nothing to do with it. Tons of polls have been done and the results are very consistent. Five groups of people don't even WANT the vaccine: Black, Hispanic, Republican, Rural, and Young.
It may be a mix of both access , lack of personal concern about covid, and incorrect or missing information in some communities. But I agree access is only one factor, and may be only a mild influence in getting vaccinated.

But as long as demand for vaccines on a locale outstrips supply, the ability of anyone in a locale is inhibited, and therefore access can factor in who gets vaccinated that wants to be vaccinated.
 

MisterPenguin

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And in my state, 25% of healthcare workers. Though maybe they fall into the other categories above.


And the trend is similar across the nation


Nonetheless, many long-term care staff continue to refuse the COVID-19 vaccine. In a recent CDC report, nursing homes had a median vaccination rate of 37.5% for staff during the first month of the federal vaccination effort; by comparison, a median of 77.8% of nursing home residents received the vaccine. This has surprised some policymakers. Recently, Maryland’s acting health secretary told state lawmakers that about one-third to one-half of staff offered the vaccine chose to have it –– nowhere near an expectation of 80% to 90%.​

I wish such polls teased out RN and doctors from the rest of the "health care staff".

What is "the health care staff"? Orderlies? Aides? People with a medical degree?
 

ABQ

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I wish such polls teased out RN and doctors from the rest of the "health care staff".

What is "the health care staff"? Orderlies? Aides? People with a medical degree?
Sure, you'd like to wish that people in an operating room were vaccinated, but people in housekeeping and dietary also come in rather close proximity to anyone in a hospital, so does it really matter what role they serve?
 
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