Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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GoofGoof

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And?

Even without retesting, the isolation period is 10 days after testing positive. Monday is Day 11.
From the CDC guidelines:
  • A limited number of persons with severe illness may produce replication-competent virus beyond 10 days that may warrant extending duration of isolation and precautions for up to 20 days after symptom onset; consider consultation with infection control experts.
They don’t define “severe” but I would think hospitalization would be a safe starting point.
 

Polkadotdress

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That's a contradiction "Expert" and "Media".
He is an infectious disease expert whose comments are featured in the media. From CNN:


As health officials in Florida reported nearly 3,000 new cases of coronavirus on Friday, the state is bracing to become "like a house on fire," an infectious disease expert says.

"Florida is ripe for another large outbreak," said Mike Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

"What they've done is opened up everything as if nothing had ever happened there and you and I could be talking probably in eight to 10 weeks, and I will likely bet that Florida will be a house on fire.”
 

GimpYancIent

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He is an infectious disease expert whose comments are featured in the media. From CNN:


As health officials in Florida reported nearly 3,000 new cases of coronavirus on Friday, the state is bracing to become "like a house on fire," an infectious disease expert says.

"Florida is ripe for another large outbreak," said Mike Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

"What they've done is opened up everything as if nothing had ever happened there and you and I could be talking probably in eight to 10 weeks, and I will likely bet that Florida will be a house on fire.”
We shall see, won't we?
 

MisterPenguin

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hopemax

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He is an infectious disease expert whose comments are featured in the media. From CNN:


As health officials in Florida reported nearly 3,000 new cases of coronavirus on Friday, the state is bracing to become "like a house on fire," an infectious disease expert says.

"Florida is ripe for another large outbreak," said Mike Osterholm, director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

"What they've done is opened up everything as if nothing had ever happened there and you and I could be talking probably in eight to 10 weeks, and I will likely bet that Florida will be a house on fire.”
IMO, it’s more then FL that will be a house on fire. The way numbers are ticking up just about everywhere, we are about to find out if people really understand how this works. It feels like there is a “we know enough about the virus now that March can’t happen again, we’ve clamped down other spikes, so I can be less careful” vibe.

I’m less confident that is how it will play out. Especially in the rural areas. Like, I said way back at the beginning, their numbers individually won’t be attention grabbing sexy, but collectively could be devastating.
 

daisy26

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And those of us who have recently gone or plan to go to Walt Disney World again thank you for it. :)

I have confidence in corporate Disney to keep in place policies and procedures that keep me reasonably safe...

Because it's in their financial interest to do so.

News of a major COVID-19 outbreak traceable to Walt Disney World would have a devastating effect on business.

From my very limited experience (a 4-night onsite stay 1 week ago), Disney's Hollywood Studios was the only park where I felt uncomfortable with the crowds. As WDW's physically smallest park, it doesn't have the space for large crowds.

I felt comfortable entering all 4 parks with the socially distanced lines and appreciated the temperature checks, although we intentionally avoided park opening, except for Disney's Hollywood Studios, where it was necessitated by ROTR.

The outdoor walkways were spacious enough to handle the crowds at all but DHS.

Social distancing was observed in lines for all attractions, and the Guests I encountered in these queues respected the 6-foot spacing and consistently wore their masks.

Whether indoor or outdoor, I felt I had plenty of space between me and the next Guest while dining.

Disney's hotels and pools were great, with lots of physical separation and extra cleaning.

Disney made sure that hand sanitizer was readily available all over the place.

My point?

It's completely reasonable to defer trips to WDW until COVID-19 is under control.

But it's also reasonable to believe that Disney is, at least for the moment, making their theme parks and hotels as safe as possible under the current circumstances.

I'm returning to Walt Disney World in 5 weeks. I'll be sure to post if the situation has changed.
Thank you for the informative post. This is the kind of information I logged on to see, people that have been to Disney and recounting their experiences. All I seem to see is people arguing about Covid, which I am tired of hearing about. Thanks again!
 

Lilofan

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And those of us who have recently gone or plan to go to Walt Disney World again thank you for it. :)

I have confidence in corporate Disney to keep in place policies and procedures that keep me reasonably safe...

Because it's in their financial interest to do so.

News of a major COVID-19 outbreak traceable to Walt Disney World would have a devastating effect on business.

From my very limited experience (a 4-night onsite stay 1 week ago), Disney's Hollywood Studios was the only park where I felt uncomfortable with the crowds. As WDW's physically smallest park, it doesn't have the space for large crowds.

I felt comfortable entering all 4 parks with the socially distanced lines and appreciated the temperature checks, although we intentionally avoided park opening, except for Disney's Hollywood Studios, where it was necessitated by ROTR.

The outdoor walkways were spacious enough to handle the crowds at all but DHS.

Social distancing was observed in lines for all attractions, and the Guests I encountered in these queues respected the 6-foot spacing and consistently wore their masks.

Whether indoor or outdoor, I felt I had plenty of space between me and the next Guest while dining.

Disney's hotels and pools were great, with lots of physical separation and extra cleaning.

Disney made sure that hand sanitizer was readily available all over the place.

My point?

It's completely reasonable to defer trips to WDW until COVID-19 is under control.

But it's also reasonable to believe that Disney is, at least for the moment, making their theme parks and hotels as safe as possible under the current circumstances.

I'm returning to Walt Disney World in 5 weeks. I'll be sure to post if the situation has changed.
November is a nice time to visit WDW. The weather is a little cooler and hurricane season ends Nov 1!
 

DisneyCane

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IMO, it’s more then FL that will be a house on fire. The way numbers are ticking up just about everywhere, we are about to find out if people really understand how this works. It feels like there is a “we know enough about the virus now that March can’t happen again, we’ve clamped down other spikes, so I can be less careful” vibe.

I’m less confident that is how it will play out. Especially in the rural areas. Like, I said way back at the beginning, their numbers individually won’t be attention grabbing sexy, but collectively could be devastating.
"How it works" is that until there is an effective and widely distributed vaccine all any measures do is extend the time it takes to get to the same numbers. From the very beginning Dr. Fauci described flattening the curve as keeping the peak lower and spreading the cases over a long period.

Flattening could possibly lead to more total cases depending on how long immunity lasts because by stretching out the pandemic you might end up with early infections that are no longer immune before the pandemic ends.

Somehow, at some point, the narrative changed from "slow the spread" to "stop the spread." The only way to come close to stopping the spread is with long duration Draconian lockdowns. Even then, once you go back to a semblance of normal there will be spread
 

ParentsOf4

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GoofGoof

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You might enjoy reading my trip report of our 4-night onsite stay during the last week of September:

https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/the-“is-it-safe-”-trip-report.970517/
You know I’ve liked your posts for years now, but I hate you a little bit for posting this ;). I had convinced myself I was OK with missing my trip this year, but now doubting myself. I’m glad I didn’t go in August but as the weather gets more reasonable it‘s less of an issue. The pools looked really great and I could see going and just hanging at the resort and maybe walking through AK. It wouldn’t be the same but it did look pretty nice. DHS looked like it was a mess. That park is just not laid out right for distancing.
 

GoofGoof

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"How it works" is that until there is an effective and widely distributed vaccine all any measures do is extend the time it takes to get to the same numbers. From the very beginning Dr. Fauci described flattening the curve as keeping the peak lower and spreading the cases over a long period.

Flattening could possibly lead to more total cases depending on how long immunity lasts because by stretching out the pandemic you might end up with early infections that are no longer immune before the pandemic ends.

Somehow, at some point, the narrative changed from "slow the spread" to "stop the spread." The only way to come close to stopping the spread is with long duration Draconian lockdowns. Even then, once you go back to a semblance of normal there will be spread
The narrative hasn’t change. Nobody is saying that current recommendations will stop the spread. Slowing the spread until a vaccine is available will save lives, possibly hundreds of thousands of lives. Nobody is calling for draconian lockdowns (keep beating the same old straw man), asking people to wear masks and practice social distancing and avoid large crowds is not draconian or a lockdown.

From an economic perspective I still think over the long run lower cases and less community spread means more schools can be open and more people will go to restaurants and theme parks. Some people don’t care about widespread community spread and don‘t “fear” the virus but the overall economy works better with more people involved. So if we follow recommendations some businesses can’t be fully open, but the majority of the economy can work. The more people involved the better the economic numbers. This narrative that opening everything with no restrictions means automatic economic recovery isn’t based on anything other than wishes and hopes. FL has removed all restrictions on businesses, so in a month let’s see if the economy is back to normal or so much better than places with some restrictions still in place.
 

Miss Bella

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The narrative hasn’t change. Nobody is saying that current recommendations will stop the spread. Slowing the spread until a vaccine is available will save lives, possibly hundreds of thousands of lives. Nobody is calling for draconian lockdowns (keep beating the same old straw man), asking people to wear masks and practice social distancing and avoid large crowds is not draconian or a lockdown.

From an economic perspective I still think over the long run lower cases and less community spread means more schools can be open and more people will go to restaurants and theme parks. Some people don’t care about widespread community spread and don‘t “fear” the virus but the overall economy works better with more people involved. So if we follow recommendations some businesses can’t be fully open, but the majority of the economy can work. The more people involved the better the economic numbers. This narrative that opening everything with no restrictions means automatic economic recovery isn’t based on anything other than wishes and hopes. FL has removed all restrictions on businesses, so in a month let’s see if the economy is back to normal or so much better than places with some restrictions still in place.
I don’t think you can compare a state that is heavily dependent on tourism to one that is a fly over state. That being said the states the most restrictions have the highest unemployment rates.
 
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GoofGoof

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I don’t think you can compare a state that is heavily dependent on tourism to one that is a fly over state. That being said the states the most restrictions have the highest unemployment rates.
FL unemployment dropped a lot from July to August. During August the number of cases was declining in FL but no major changes were made to restrictions. It seems like lower cases can also be a driver of less unemployment. So in late September the governor removed all restrictions on businesses. In a month or 2 it will be interesting to see how that ultimately impacts unemployment and weighing the benefit to jobs (if any) vs the impact on public health.
 

Miss Bella

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FL unemployment dropped a lot from July to August. During August the number of cases was declining in FL but no major changes were made to restrictions. It seems like lower cases can also be a driver of less unemployment. So in late September the governor removed all restrictions on businesses. In a month or 2 it will be interesting to see how that ultimately impacts unemployment and weighing the benefit to jobs (if any) vs the impact on public health.
Florida is unique because they are so heavily dependent on tourism. I don’t think they have a shot at recovery until cruises resume. I’m not sure lifting restrictions alone will be enough for their economy to recover.

We get our fair share of tourists here, but we also have the 303 corridor and a booming manufacturing industry. I’m not what options people have in Florida that have lost jobs related to tourism. I’ll admit though I’m not that familiar with Florida outside of WDW and Port Canaveral.
 
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