Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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GoofGoof

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I get where you're coming from, but it's quite hard to know or differentiate which person went where in Florida, was the area characterized by high or low mask usage, etc. so a blanket quarantine to me makes sense. I would say in a more balanced scenario, people who visit the miami-dade area should quarantine, but not all of visitors to the rest of Florida; but practically that would be a nightmare to enforce.
I believe one of the New England states (maybe VT?) does actually go down to the county level. So certain counties in PA are exempt from their travel quarantine but not the county I live in. I think it’s just really hard to administer that. There’s no real enforcement anyway, but it’s easier to just add states to a list. People in upstate NY feel your pain. While NYC was the epicenter of the virus in March/April they were banned from traveling places despite many areas having very low case counts. It’s definitely not a perfect system.
 

SamusAranX

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I believe one of the New England states (maybe VT?) does actually go down to the county level. So certain counties in PA are exempt from their travel quarantine but not the county I live in. I think it’s just really hard to administer that. There’s no real enforcement anyway, but it’s easier to just add states to a list. People in upstate NY feel your pain. While NYC was the epicenter of the virus in March/April they were banned from traveling places despite many areas having very low case counts. It’s definitely not a perfect system.

I'm selfish, as long as I am not "banned" from Utah by end of year.

Gosh dang it, I waited all of 2020 to snowboard and I will not be denied.
 

Heppenheimer

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I believe one of the New England states (maybe VT?) does actually go down to the county level. So certain counties in PA are exempt from their travel quarantine but not the county I live in. I think it’s just really hard to administer that. There’s no real enforcement anyway, but it’s easier to just add states to a list. People in upstate NY feel your pain. While NYC was the epicenter of the virus in March/April they were banned from traveling places despite many areas having very low case counts. It’s definitely not a perfect system.
Vermont does break it down by county, but I don't know if we're the only one. I want to say we aren't, because we have reciprocal agreements with neighboring states, but I haven't actually looked on each states health department website. Here's our map, which is updated every Tuesday (only includes the northeast, south to Virginia and west to Ohio):


Ugh... I just looked at the map for the first time in several weeks. Much worse than before! Several counties in Maine and New Hampshire have gone to yellow and red. We might be in trouble here if Grafton County in NH changes color, since many of our patients rely on specialist care at Dartmouth.

But at least... I can still visit Cameron, Forest, Wyoming, Warren and McKean counties in PA without a quarantine!
 

Kevin_W

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IF Gilead has the doses manufactured and IF this is expandable to the general population, this may be the therapeutic breakthrough we've been hoping for. NIH backed trial showing early Remdesivir treatment greatly improved course of disease for those in moderate cases requiring oxygen therapy.
I realize it's an infusion and would probably eat up a fair number of hospital beds from those that would have otherwise been discharged (we don't all have an infusion suite in the west wing of our house), but if case mortality drops significantly between now and a vaccine rollout, MAYBE we can move the goalposts just a little bit.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764

I don't want to be a downer, but I wouldn't call a mortality improvement form 15.2% to 11.4% a breakthrough (with 25% of patients having adverse side effects). It's better than nothing, though.
 

sullyinMT

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I don't want to be a downer, but I wouldn't call a mortality improvement form 15.2% to 11.4% a breakthrough (with 25% of patients having adverse side effects). It's better than nothing, though.
I don’t disagree. At least we have the chance for some hope and optimism, though. Travel restrictions and precautions won’t go away tomorrow, but I’ll take what I can get in the “good news” column.
 

Animaniac93-98

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The North East, Midwest and Central Canada are poorly equipped to handle the upcoming winter months IMO. I mean that both in terms of stopping the spread and helping businesses that will be effected by the inevitable second major lock down.

Not even 24 hours after posting this and Ontario is shutting down indoor dining and other businesses in major population hubs like Quebec did last week. I suspect this will be an on again-off again thing until April.

At one point the province had the lowest number of cases per 100,000 people of anywhere in North America. Then people got lazy and or blatantly ignored health measures/restrictions.
 

DCBaker

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"Attendance has been lower than anticipated. Travel agents say families have been postponing Christmastime plans to vacation at the Orlando-area resort, in part because of concerns about the safety of flying. In recent days, Disney World, citing continued uncertainty about the duration of the pandemic, began laying off 15,550 workers, or 20 percent of its work force.

As tumultuous as the three months since the reopening have been, however, public health officials and Disney World’s unions say there have been no coronavirus outbreaks among workers or guests. So far, Disney’s wide-ranging safety measures appear to be working. “We have no issues or concerns with the major theme parks at this point,” said Dr. Raul Pino, director of the Florida Department of Health in Orange County, which includes Disney World."

"Disney declined to say how many Disney World employees had tested positive for the coronavirus since the resort reopened. In phone interviews, union leaders said cases had been minimal. “We’ve had very few, and none, as far as we can tell, have been from work-related exposure,” said Eric Clinton, president of Unite Here Local 362, which represents roughly 8,000 attraction workers and custodians.

Mr. Clinton’s assessment was echoed by Unite Here Local 737, which represents hotel housekeepers and food and beverage workers; IATSE Local 631, where members include stagehands and show technicians; United Food & Commercial Workers Local 1625, which handles merchandise and banquet workers; and Teamsters Local 385, which looks after bus drivers, laundry workers and entertainers who appear in costume as Disney characters.

“So far — so far — it has been a success story,” said Julee Jerkovich, a United Food & Commercial Workers official. “As a union rep, I do not say that lightly.”

 

rreading

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You should be good. I hear the cold kills the virus anyway....it didn’t work for the heat this summer, but one can hope ;)

Cold generally preserves viruses; also when we get stressed by cold then we are more likely to become ill. Until we get an effective vaccine I believe that this virus will be unstoppable. I do expect us to reach herd immunity (immunity from dying from it - we're going to continue to catch it), but it's never going to go away. And that's going to have to be okay.
 

Chip Chipperson

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Not even 24 hours after posting this and Ontario is shutting down indoor dining and other businesses in major population hubs like Quebec did last week. I suspect this will be an on again-off again thing until April.

At one point the province had the lowest number of cases per 100,000 people of anywhere in North America. Then people got lazy and or blatantly ignored health measures/restrictions.

I think your last paragraph is the case just about everywhere right now. When people see cases go down or the Rt dip below 1, they start to act like everything is okay and they can do whatever they want without needing to worry about the virus instead of realizing that following the guidelines and recommendations is what got us this far and stopping now will undo at least a part of the progress that was made.
 

danlb_2000

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I don't want to be a downer, but I wouldn't call a mortality improvement form 15.2% to 11.4% a breakthrough (with 25% of patients having adverse side effects). It's better than nothing, though.

It did shorten the recovery time by an average of 5 days which is a good thing. 25% of the patients did have adverse effects, but 31% of those getting placebo had adverse effects,. so I am not sure what to read into that.
 

GimpYancIent

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Cold generally preserves viruses; also when we get stressed by cold then we are more likely to become ill. Until we get an effective vaccine I believe that this virus will be unstoppable. I do expect us to reach herd immunity (immunity from dying from it - we're going to continue to catch it), but it's never going to go away. And that's going to have to be okay.
Each and every human on the face of the earth eventually will die. No one lives forever. We are not immortal. One of the things that can potentially kill us are diseases. COVID19 is the new kid on the block, that's all. Over whelming numbers can catch then survive (resolve) this illness, it is not an automatic death warrant to be feared. It is a very contagious illness, a serious illness for some and is to be respected, not feared. A vaccine / vaccines will not be a 100% cure and herd immunity is a theory. Everybody, by now, knows what adjustment to daily living and human interaction need to be done to be able to live and not exist. COVID19 has joined the ranks of a very long list of contagious illnesses that can potentially have deadly results and the assessment that "it's never going to go away" is accurate. The "And that's going to have to be okay" is the reality we humans must accept and do what human have done since crawling out of caves ADAPT.

Oh yea, for quality of life Go To A Disney Park, I recommend WDW. I do have a light side.
 

ImperfectPixie

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Each and every human on the face of the earth eventually will die. No one lives forever. We are not immortal. One of the things that can potentially kill us are diseases. COVID19 is the new kid on the block, that's all. Over whelming numbers can catch then survive (resolve) this illness, it is not an automatic death warrant to be feared. It is a very contagious illness, a serious illness for some and is to be respected, not feared. A vaccine / vaccines will not be a 100% cure and herd immunity is a theory. Everybody, by now, knows what adjustment to daily living and human interaction need to be done to be able to live and not exist. COVID19 has joined the ranks of a very long list of contagious illnesses that can potentially have deadly results and the assessment that "it's never going to go away" is accurate. The "And that's going to have to be okay" is the reality we humans must accept and do what human have done since crawling out of caves ADAPT.

Oh yea, for quality of life Go To A Disney Park, I recommend WDW. I do have a light side.
How about you preach to all the morons fighting against wearing masks and social distancing to ADAPT?!?
 

danlb_2000

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Each and every human on the face of the earth eventually will die. No one lives forever. We are not immortal. One of the things that can potentially kill us are diseases. COVID19 is the new kid on the block, that's all. Over whelming numbers can catch then survive (resolve) this illness, it is not an automatic death warrant to be feared. It is a very contagious illness, a serious illness for some and is to be respected, not feared. A vaccine / vaccines will not be a 100% cure and herd immunity is a theory. Everybody, by now, knows what adjustment to daily living and human interaction need to be done to be able to live and not exist. COVID19 has joined the ranks of a very long list of contagious illnesses that can potentially have deadly results and the assessment that "it's never going to go away" is accurate. The "And that's going to have to be okay" is the reality we humans must accept and do what human have done since crawling out of caves ADAPT.

Oh yea, for quality of life Go To A Disney Park, I recommend WDW. I do have a light side.

SARS and the Spanish Flu are not longer a problem, why do you think this one is different?
 

lazyboy97o

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Each and every human on the face of the earth eventually will die. No one lives forever. We are not immortal. One of the things that can potentially kill us are diseases. COVID19 is the new kid on the block, that's all. Over whelming numbers can catch then survive (resolve) this illness, it is not an automatic death warrant to be feared. It is a very contagious illness, a serious illness for some and is to be respected, not feared. A vaccine / vaccines will not be a 100% cure and herd immunity is a theory. Everybody, by now, knows what adjustment to daily living and human interaction need to be done to be able to live and not exist. COVID19 has joined the ranks of a very long list of contagious illnesses that can potentially have deadly results and the assessment that "it's never going to go away" is accurate. The "And that's going to have to be okay" is the reality we humans must accept and do what human have done since crawling out of caves ADAPT.

Oh yea, for quality of life Go To A Disney Park, I recommend WDW. I do have a light side.
COVID-19, in less than a year, has become the third leading cause of death in the US.

No vaccine is a cure, that’s not how they work.

Herd immunity is not a “theory.” It has worked.
 
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