Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Miss Bella]

FL unemployment dropped a lot from July to August. During August the number of cases was declining in FL but no major changes were made to restrictions. It seems like lower cases can also be a driver of less unemployment. So in late September the governor removed all restrictions on businesses. In a month or 2 it will be interesting to see how that ultimately impacts unemployment and weighing the benefit to jobs (if any) vs the impact on public health.

Florida is unique because they are so heavily dependent on tourism. I don’t think they have a shot at recovery until cruises resume. I’m not sure lifting restrictions alone will be enough for their economy to recover.

We get our fair share of tourists here, but we also have the 303 corridor and a booming manufacturing industry. I’m not what options people have in Florida that have lost jobs related to tourism. I’ll admit though I’m not that familiar with Florida outside of WDW and Port Canaveral.

 

[GoofGoof]

Florida is unique because they are so heavily dependent on tourism. I don’t think they have a shot at recovery until cruises resume. I’m not sure lifting restrictions alone will be enough for their economy to recover.

We get our fair share of tourists here, but we also have the 303 corridor and a booming manufacturing industry. I’m not what options people have in Florida that have lost jobs related to tourism. I’ll admit though I’m not that familiar with Florida outside of WDW and Port Canaveral.

I agree that FL is unique in that it has such a large dependence on tourism which is more dramatically impacted by Covid and Covid restrictions. I don’t really know the answers, that’s why I’m curious to see how they make out with lifting restrictions. It could help the economy if the cases never really spike again and more stuff is open or it could result in a bigger economic decline if there is a large spike. Time will tell. Unfortunately, I also agree that tourism isn’t coming back any time soon. Probably just riding this out for the rest of 2020. Depends on the vaccine and how fast that gets approved and widely distributed.

 

[hopemax]

"How it works" is that until there is an effective and widely distributed vaccine all any measures do is extend the time it takes to get to the same numbers. From the very beginning Dr. Fauci described flattening the curve as keeping the peak lower and spreading the cases over a long period.

Flattening could possibly lead to more total cases depending on how long immunity lasts because by stretching out the pandemic you might end up with early infections that are no longer immune before the pandemic ends.

Somehow, at some point, the narrative changed from "slow the spread" to "stop the spread." The only way to come close to stopping the spread is with long duration Draconian lockdowns. Even then, once you go back to a semblance of normal there will be spread

So you took my post with concerns about the effect of complacency and turned it into lockdowns and zero spread? Alrighty then.

I just think people are going to surprised where the numbers go, as if it couldn’t have been reasonably predicted. I for one, will not be shocked if we go through another ugly period. Even if it’s not March NYC ugly. It’s a comment on the next quarter’s score, not a statement on what type of offense/defense that should be run.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

It is very distressing to see what's happening in Europe. The lockdowns worked, but just like we saw in may, once you lift them, it gets messy.

 

[GoofGoof]

It is very distressing to see what's happening in Europe. The lockdowns worked, but just like we saw in may, once you lift them, it gets messy.

I don’t think you need full lockdowns all the time. The original lockdowns were to get cases under control. It worked in Europe and they enjoyed a summer with far less restrictions. Now they are experiencing a second wave. They probably don’t need a full stay at home lockdown if they begin to immediately pull back on the biggest problem areas. I saw that in some places they are starting to close bars and limit indoor crowds. The original lockdowns were a blunt tool used to reverse an otherwise out of control situation. Now that we know more I think it’s possible to go with a more surgical attack. Limit higher risk activities (close bars not doctor‘s offices as an example) and focus on areas with outbreaks first instead of across the board restrictions. Even here in NYC they are attempting to pinpoint zip codes with higher spikes in cases vs just shutting everyone in the state down.

 

[Mark52479]

FDOH has yet to release the numbers today, if you've been looking for them.

No numbers will be released today.

"The Saturday Department of Health COVID-19 report will be delayed one day, according to the state. The delay comes after DOH received approximately 400,000 COVID-19 test results from Helix Laboratory that had already been reported."

ummmmm..... that's a problem

 

[DCBaker]

No numbers will be released today.

"The Saturday Department of Health COVID-19 report will be delayed one day, according to the state. The delay comes after DOH received approximately 400,000 COVID-19 test results from Helix Laboratory that had already been reported."

ummmmm..... that's a problem

Here's the press release -

"Importantly, this reporting issue is not related to notifying individuals of their results. Notification is performed by the lab or entity that offered the test."

NOTICE: Previously Reported Data Input from One Lab Requires Delaying Daily COVID-19 Reports | Florida Department of Health

NOTICE: Previously Reported Data Input from One Lab Requires Delaying Daily COVID-19 Reports Reports to Return Tomorrow Tallahassee, FL – Today's daily COVID-19 reports will be delayed until tomorrow. Last night, the Department of Health received approximately 400,000 previously-reported...

www.floridahealth.gov

 

[GoofGoof]

No numbers will be released today.

"The Saturday Department of Health COVID-19 report will be delayed one day, according to the state. The delay comes after DOH received approximately 400,000 COVID-19 test results from Helix Laboratory that had already been reported."

ummmmm..... that's a problem

Oops. Yeah, depending on when they were from dropping 20-40K positive cases in a day would be a big problem. Simple fix though. My county stopped reporting test results on weekends a while ago. They just issue a 3 day report on Monday.

 

[Mark52479]

Oops. Yeah, depending on when they were from dropping 20-40K positive cases in a day would be a big problem. Simple fix though. My county stopped reporting test results on weekends a while ago. They just issue a 3 day report on Monday.

It does seem weekends are a big problem in Florida. Reporting has never been accurate on weekends

 

[GoofGoof]

It does seem weekends are a big problem in Florida. Reporting has never been accurate on weekends

Plus it would give @DCBaker a few days off each week

 

[lazyboy97o]

IMO, it’s more then FL that will be a house on fire. The way numbers are ticking up just about everywhere, we are about to find out if people really understand how this works. It feels like there is a “we know enough about the virus now that March can’t happen again, we’ve clamped down other spikes, so I can be less careful” vibe.

I’m less confident that is how it will play out. Especially in the rural areas. Like, I said way back at the beginning, their numbers individually won’t be attention grabbing sexy, but collectively could be devastating.

I fear the hospitals in the Sun Belt not being “overwhelmed” in the summer is going to be the big problem. There wasn’t widespread denial of care but we still had hospitals using or at surge capacity for an extended period of time during what should have been their slow period. I would not be surprised if concerns about capacity fall on deaf ears because it “didn’t” happen before.

 

[pocketlint]

remains to be seen how civil people will be when standing 6 feet from someone while coughing and sneezing

 

[hopemax]

I fear the hospitals in the Sun Belt not being “overwhelmed” in the summer is going to be the big problem. There wasn’t widespread denial of care but we still had hospitals using or at surge capacity for an extended period of time during what should have been their slow period. I would not be surprised if concerns about capacity fall on deaf ears because it “didn’t” happen before.

Exactly. Field hospital In Wisconsin, North Dakota ICUs getting tight. But elections are sapping up media coverage. That and now my state has a Pinkerton problem, seriously what century is this!?! I haven’t kept up with Hurricane Delta news. I have this sense of dread that we are going to wake up one morning to find out all the COVID balls the country has been managing to keep in the air are dropping hard in random places while eyes were directed elsewhere.

 

[GimpYancIent]

I fear the hospitals in the Sun Belt not being “overwhelmed” in the summer is going to be the big problem. There wasn’t widespread denial of care but we still had hospitals using or at surge capacity for an extended period of time during what should have been their slow period. I would not be surprised if concerns about capacity fall on deaf ears because it “didn’t” happen before.

If something is repeated enough times supposedly it becomes fact.

 

[JoeCamel]

If something is repeated enough times supposedly it becomes fact.

I know of at least one person that believes that to be true and I'm not counting you.

 

[Lilofan]

If something is repeated enough times supposedly it becomes fact.

Many people in positions of influence and power use this on a regular basis.

 

[techgeek]

Exactly. Field hospital In Wisconsin, North Dakota ICUs getting tight. But elections are sapping up media coverage. That and now my state has a Pinkerton problem, seriously what century is this!?! I haven’t kept up with Hurricane Delta news. I have this sense of dread that we are going to wake up one morning to find out all the COVID balls the country has been managing to keep in the air are dropping hard in random places while eyes were directed elsewhere.

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 178 new deaths reported, but they did not publish the specific number as usually posted in the data file.

*Do remember the issue from yesterday where the numbers were not released. Look to the * on graph 3.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Looking at the graphs above 10/10 has the lowest positively percentage while testing by far test the most folks that day. There is no way to look at this other than a good thing!

 

[MisterPenguin]