On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[Brer Oswald]

Right...but I think I alone have answered why? 5 times on this thread. As have others...

It is what it is. Disneyphiles see universal as a threat (though will never admit it) and it’s therapeutic to bash it at all times. Harry Potter and the development of resort hotels changed the dynamics...it wasn’t perceived as a threat at all prior to that.

I did it for years. Part of it was due to my bafflement of the praise towards the Harry Potter film franchise. I felt Potterphiles and their beloved stories were being rather obnoxious and pretentious. Meanwhile, I was the obnoxious and pretentious one with the way I talked about theme parks that weren’t Disney.
Then, Universal announced a major expansion with a franchise I was quite fond of. Super Mario. I shut up. Oh what biases will do. Meanwhile, Disney is destroying my favourite attraction. The tune starts to change.

I’ll always prefer Disney parks, mainly for what they were, and the level of charm they will (hopefully) still retain...to some degree. But it’s fine to like other things as well. Disney isn’t always the best in every single category, and it’s okay to acknowledge that as a Disney fan.

 

[Ldno]

I completely forgot about this, if the travel industry goes completely under, the theme park industry as a whole will be hard to come out, they bring out good points, airlines depended on businesses accounts but everything stopped since zoom meetings took over, Disney is preparing for this since they are dumping all their merch online to make face of what’s come now! Can’t wait to shop for galaxy’s edge merch on the 28th of September!!!

US airlines facing ‘Thelma and Louise’ moment as government aid set to expire

Funding used to protect workers will expire on 30 September, and airlines have already announced huge layoffs

www.theguardian.com

 

[Brer Oswald]

So I was on my modest Twitter account and a “Meme” popped up, bashing Chapek for the constant injection of modern film franchises in the parks, in places that they don’t belong.
Anyone else find it strange that Chapek gets the brunt of the blame for an Iger mandate? Let’s be real, this stuff predates Chapek. Heck, you can argue it predates Iger, with the Pressler years.

Makes you wonder what Big Robert is offering these “influencers” to protect his “legacy”.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Disney fandom picks “heroes” and “villains” regardless of what actually is happening behind the scenes. We’ve seen it all before “Pressler bad”, “Ouimet good”, “Chapek bad”, “Josh good”.

The most ridiculous of them all was reinventing the ultimate “sharp pencil boy” Tom Staggs as a hero. As CFO, Tom was the key driver of the “we can do it cheaper and fans won’t care” during the Eisner/Pressler era.

This is why Josh plays the crowd like a fiddle (he learned from watching Cynthia Harris when he was at DL during that era) - take a fee selfies with the fans and you won’t be blamed for anything. Not criticizing, it’s brilliantly smart as they eat it up with a spoon.

He’s now in charge of the parks - same exact position Chapek had a fee months ago, so all blame for every bad parks decision should be put on him, but watch every time it will be “But, but, it’s his boss telling him what to do!! He gets it because he took a selfie with me and pretended to care about me and my opinion!!!’”

It’s truly hysterical to watch - never is Josh mentioned in a sentence with a terrible parks idea (or the opening of SWGE at DL).

You hit the nail on the head.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I completely forgot about this, if the travel industry goes completely under, the theme park industry as a whole will be hard to come out, they bring out good points, airlines depended on businesses accounts but everything stopped since zoom meetings took over, Disney is preparing for this since they are dumping all their merch online to make face of what’s come now! Can’t wait to shop for galaxy’s edge merch on the 28th of September!!!

US airlines facing ‘Thelma and Louise’ moment as government aid set to expire

Funding used to protect workers will expire on 30 September, and airlines have already announced huge layoffs

www.theguardian.com

Yeah...

This has flown under the radar and is going to make things worse also:

Covid-19 Can Spread On Long Airline Flights, Per Two New Studies

New research reinforces the need for protections during air travel.

www.google.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Disney fandom picks “heroes” and “villains” regardless of what actually is happening behind the scenes. We’ve seen it all before “Pressler bad”, “Ouimet good”, “Chapek bad”, “Josh good”.

The most ridiculous of them all was reinventing the ultimate “sharp pencil boy” Tom Staggs as a hero. As CFO, Tom was the key driver of the “we can do it cheaper and fans won’t care” during the Eisner/Pressler era.

This is why Josh plays the crowd like a fiddle (he learned from watching Cynthia Harris when he was at DL during that era) - take a few selfies with the fans and you won’t be blamed for anything. Not criticizing, it’s brilliantly smart as they eat it up with a spoon.

He’s now in charge of the parks - same exact position Chapek had a few months ago, so all blame for every bad parks decision should be put on him, but watch every time it will be “But, but, it’s his boss telling him what to do!! He gets it because he took a selfie with me and pretended to care about me and my opinion!!!’”

If that was true, why did people blame Chapek and not Iger? Why? Josh pretends to like AP’s while Chapek is a crappy retail politician.

It’s truly hysterical to watch - never is Josh mentioned in a sentence with a terrible parks idea (or the disastrous opening of SWGE at DL).

I agree with everything here except one:

Pressler WAS BAD.

Like book of revelations bad.

Other than that...carry on

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Unless of course you want to give him credit for the largest investment in the Anaheim site since Walt. You can disagree with the creative, but he drove the expansion of the resort, DCA, Grand Californian, and all of the city, county, and state improvements that supported it including changes to the freeways that all fundamentally changed the single park into a “resort”.

If another president in the past 50 years has driven that level of expansion in the property, feel free to remind me.

That was a joke...not a discussion starter.

But since you brought it up...I’d like to point out that was in the Eisner: Supreme Emperor era.

 

[Miss Bella]

Yes that's true but look what RMC has done to push the boundaries. They have pushed the boundaries and made some the most intense coasters in the world. To each their own but you have to admit what RMC has done for coasters is very impressive. I guess why the coaster thing bugs so much is that me being a coaster enthusiast, is how unimpressed GP are with coasters. Even in this thread, a few have said they have a park near them and have no interest in going. Where as I'm jealous how so many of you live near such amazing parks.

Many people like WDW because it's not a coaster park. I myself being one of them. I enjoy Universal because my kids like it, but I have to pop a Dramamine about every three hours to get through it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Ah, so let me understand. So Paul, who drove the entire project and who’s financial credibility with Staggs and the board was key to getting the funding does not get credit for the expansion, which he oversaw from start to finish.

That’s awesome. Thank your for perfectly illustrating my point.

Did you work with “Paul”, boss?

Just curious.

And I’m saying he was not a good leader overall...not commenting on a specific development that resulted in what is widely regarded as a disaster park. Ask the Gap

The truth is always a grey area...if that’s your point. I agree there.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Many people like WDW because it's not a coaster park. I myself being one of them. I enjoy Universal because my kids like it, but I have to pop a Dramamine about every three hours to get through it.

I think that’s the 3D...I have to admit that after about 2 days...my equilibrium is fried.

Coasters with 3D is a tad much.

 

[Miss Bella]

I think that’s the 3D...I have to admit that after about 2 days...my equilibrium is fried.

Coasters with 3D is a tad much.

I like coasters like Mummy. My inner ear does not like the upside down, twisty, turny stuff.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Unless of course you want to give him credit for the largest investment in the Anaheim site since Walt. You can disagree with the creative, but he drove the expansion of the resort, DCA, Grand Californian, and all of the city, county, and state improvements that supported it including changes to the freeways that all fundamentally changed the single park into a “resort”.

If another president in the past 50 years has driven that level of expansion in the property, feel free to remind me.

Ah, so let me understand. So Paul, who drove the entire project and who’s financial credibility with Staggs and the board was key to getting the funding does not get credit for the expansion, which he oversaw from start to finish.

That’s awesome. Thank your for perfectly illustrating my point.

He didn’t. Disney committed to the expansion while Pressler was still at the Disney Store and Staggs was at Strategic Planning.

 

[Sharon&Susan]

If you don’t think Paul lead the expansion, you are just being intentionally disingenuous. But I get it, Paul bad.

"Thanks for the support!"

-sincerely Paul Pressler

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If you don’t think Paul lead the expansion, you are just being intentionally disingenuous. But I get it, Paul bad.

These comments do nothing but exactly prove my point. The characters are drawn and then the facts are selectively applied to support the “hero” or “villian”narrative.

Back to the original point, how this will be applied to Chapek and Josh over the next few years will be incredible to watch....

If you’re gonna attempt to stand on the “Paul pressler is a great executive” hill...

...I’ll send flowers.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If you don’t think Paul lead the expansion, you are just being intentionally disingenuous. But I get it, Paul bad.

These comments do nothing but exactly prove my point. The characters are drawn and then the facts are selectively applied to support the “hero” or “villain” narrative.

Back to the original point, how this will be applied to Chapek and Josh over the next few years will be incredible to watch....

He lead something that was already started. You falsely gave him credit for developing and selling the idea of expansion that had begun in the 1980s.

 

[Brer Oswald]

He led something thatvwas already started...and the outcome wasn’t great.

 

[flynnibus]

I completely forgot about this, if the travel industry goes completely under, the theme park industry as a whole will be hard to come out, they bring out good points, airlines depended on businesses accounts but everything stopped since zoom meetings took over, Disney is preparing for this since they are dumping all their merch online to make face of what’s come now! Can’t wait to shop for galaxy’s edge merch on the 28th of September!!!

There is zero chance of the 'travel industry goes completely under' - They are too essential to the economic engines of the countries. What you will have tho is great reduction and a few 'chosen ones' left behind. Look for more gov backed loans to allow the airlines to stay private, but they will gut themselves to stay alive.

 

[Lilofan]

"Thanks for the support!"

-sincerely Paul Pressler

Pressler went from Disney to be CEO of The Gap. He failed in that role but still managed to walk away with a $12M severance.

 

[UNCgolf]

And how far did that get under Jack by 1994?

Exactly.

This is hilarious because you're doing the exact same thing you're accusing other people of doing.

Have a little self-awareness.

 

[VJ]

Muah-HA!