On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[Sharon&Susan]

If you don’t think Paul lead the expansion, you are just being intentionally disingenuous. But I get it, Paul bad.

"Thanks for the support!"

-sincerely Paul Pressler

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If you don’t think Paul lead the expansion, you are just being intentionally disingenuous. But I get it, Paul bad.

These comments do nothing but exactly prove my point. The characters are drawn and then the facts are selectively applied to support the “hero” or “villian”narrative.

Back to the original point, how this will be applied to Chapek and Josh over the next few years will be incredible to watch....

If you’re gonna attempt to stand on the “Paul pressler is a great executive” hill...

...I’ll send flowers.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If you don’t think Paul lead the expansion, you are just being intentionally disingenuous. But I get it, Paul bad.

These comments do nothing but exactly prove my point. The characters are drawn and then the facts are selectively applied to support the “hero” or “villain” narrative.

Back to the original point, how this will be applied to Chapek and Josh over the next few years will be incredible to watch....

He lead something that was already started. You falsely gave him credit for developing and selling the idea of expansion that had begun in the 1980s.

 

[Brer Oswald]

He led something thatvwas already started...and the outcome wasn’t great.

 

[flynnibus]

I completely forgot about this, if the travel industry goes completely under, the theme park industry as a whole will be hard to come out, they bring out good points, airlines depended on businesses accounts but everything stopped since zoom meetings took over, Disney is preparing for this since they are dumping all their merch online to make face of what’s come now! Can’t wait to shop for galaxy’s edge merch on the 28th of September!!!

There is zero chance of the 'travel industry goes completely under' - They are too essential to the economic engines of the countries. What you will have tho is great reduction and a few 'chosen ones' left behind. Look for more gov backed loans to allow the airlines to stay private, but they will gut themselves to stay alive.

 

[Lilofan]

"Thanks for the support!"

-sincerely Paul Pressler

Pressler went from Disney to be CEO of The Gap. He failed in that role but still managed to walk away with a $12M severance.

 

[UNCgolf]

And how far did that get under Jack by 1994?

Exactly.

This is hilarious because you're doing the exact same thing you're accusing other people of doing.

Have a little self-awareness.

 

[VJ]

Muah-HA!

 

[marni1971]

Yeah...

This has flown under the radar and is going to make things worse also:

Covid-19 Can Spread On Long Airline Flights, Per Two New Studies

New research reinforces the need for protections during air travel.

www.google.com

Quite an important bit:

”It’s worth noting that neither study factors in the role wore face masks.”

 

[marni1971]

Didn’t say “Paul was good” or “Jack was bad” at all.

Actually, I think the creative for DCA, Tomorrowland 98, Light Magic, etc. were all terrible.

I’m just illustrating how Disney fans selectively apply facts. I can list a dozen positives and negatives for all of them.

That’s why I look at the actual situations and don’t create fictional characters to love or hate.

Eisner was good since he opened a second Californian park.

Eisner was bad since he opened DCA.

Like almost everything there’s much more under the skin.

 

[lazyboy97o]

And how far did that get under Jack by 1994?

Exactly.

The Anaheim Resort District became a thing.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Quite an important bit:

”It’s worth noting that neither study factors in the role wore face masks.”

No matter the factors....not good for Disney/travel

Eisner was good since he opened a second Californian park.

Eisner was bad since he opened DCA.

Like almost everything there’s much more under the skin.

Eisner built TWDC into a top level entertainment juggernaut.

Pressler was a suit that torpedoed the banana republic.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Exactly. And that’s why it’s not the juvenile binary take of “Eisner good/bad”.

You’re basing all this on a joke. There really isn’t a “binary” argument going on.

And you never answered my question: do you know Paul?

...or are you Paul??

If so...hi, Paul

 

[Jrb1979]

There is zero chance of the 'travel industry goes completely under' - They are too essential to the economic engines of the countries. What you will have tho is great reduction and a few 'chosen ones' left behind. Look for more gov backed loans to allow the airlines to stay private, but they will gut themselves to stay alive.

They won't go under but as far as theme parks I can see it becoming more of a regional affair. Destination parks won't as popular any more.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

So I was on my modest Twitter account and a “Meme” popped up, bashing Chapek for the constant injection of modern film franchises in the parks, in places that they don’t belong.
Anyone else find it strange that Chapek gets the brunt of the blame for an Iger mandate? Let’s be real, this stuff predates Chapek. Heck, you can argue it predates Iger, with the Pressler years.

Makes you wonder what Big Robert is offering these “influencers” to protect his “legacy”.

2017 D23 Expo Parks and Resorts panel was when it became really clear they wanted to reshape the parks in their image, regardless of fit or quality. Chapek has zero charm or charisma and just laid it out there and did so in a condescending and unvarnished manner. Iger’s never publicly done that, he always likes to be seen as the good guy. Though, as you note, Iger approved of all those changes towards a more IP/Franchise/Brand based product.

 

[flynnibus]

They won't go under but as far as theme parks I can see it becoming more of a regional affair. Destination parks won't as popular any more.

Nope... people will travel again when it stops being such a hassle to do. This is a dip - not a new flat line. The problem is the dip will redefine the services offered and the question is how long it takes before they loosen the strings to get back to where they were.

 

[Brer Oswald]

2017 D23 Expo Parks and Resorts panel was when it became really clear they wanted to reshape the parks in their image, regardless of fit or quality. Chapek has zero charm or charisma and just laid it out there and did so in a condescending and unvarnished manner. Iger’s never publicly done that, he always likes to be seen as the good guy. Though, as you note, Iger approved of all those changes towards a more IP/Franchise/Brand based product.

It just rubs me the wrong way that one guy gets all the blame, and the other guy gets off Scott Free, so much so that the same people who hate these changes treat him like the second coming.
And you and I both know he had as much of a hand in these decisions.

 

[Jrb1979]

It just rubs me the wrong way that one guy gets all the blame, and the other guy gets off Scott Free, so much so that the same people who hate these changes treat him like the second coming.
And you and I both know he had as much of a hand in these decisions.

IMO they're both to blame with the IP centric junk. They have killed Epcot by adding in IP everywhere. Hollywood Studios is the most random park now with more IP that doesn't fit the original concept.

 

[Jrb1979]

Nope... people will travel again when it stops being such a hassle to do. This is a dip - not a new flat line. The problem is the dip will redefine the services offered and the question is how long it takes before they loosen the strings to get back to where they were.

It has nothing to do with the hassle. The job losses are just starting and that will affect travel greatly. I don't see any of the Orlando are parks getting back to pre Covid levels for a few years at best.

 

[Lora Baines Bradley]

I think we can all agree on one thing: Josh is definitely the dreamiest Disney executive.