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On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace
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Let’s call it a tie.
Heppenheimer
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Fightin' words...Let’s call it a tie.
_caleb
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You do understand the difference between saying something is preferable/not preferable to me and saying that something is inferior/superior, right? Because I keep saying the former and you keep putting it in the category of the latter. And I’m not sure why.
Jrb1979
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I guess that's where I differ. While Disney rides are impressive, they never really push the boundaries on new technology. Rise is just an upgrade from Ratatouille. For me the boundaries that they push with roller coasters are much more impressive. Who would have thought years ago that a wooden coaster could have inversions let alone multiple ones. Or 200 foot tall coaster have 9 inversions or break the 400 foot tall barrier. That to me is impressive. From everything I have heard the new Jurrasic Park coaster is going to one of most intense coasters in Orlando. I have said before theming is just added stuff to a ride. What would really impress me is if Disney made a high thrilling ride that was highly themed.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Let’s call it a tie.
...I meant amongst “above average” fan
...I’m not talking about you kooks. I yield the throne there
I was kinda hoping for March. For the symbolism. Et Tu Bob Chapek?
I’m happy to share...I meant amongst “above average” fan
...I’m not talking about you kooks. I yield the throne there
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
They pushed the boundaries of technology...just not THRILL technology.
I think they’re too conservative. Some more “thrill” rides may help with their awful, logjammed crowd distribution system in Orlando...but I get why they don’t go that route. Not their expectations from the public.
That doesn’t mean they have to be badly themed. Tower is an excellent blend of theme and jolt. Splash always was too. I hold up RNRC as what can be done ingenious on a budget. So it’s possible but not with the amount of “IP and operational complacency” we see now.
Rise of the abrams pushes a lot of boundaries...so did flight of passage...but they aren’t for “maximin thrill”
Johnson’s Journey is a trackless - no longer cutting edge but significant - mixed with really high end effects and a quick simulator carriage that captures the vehicle. That last part is overdesigned...maintenance will likely be more “test track” than “tower”...but it’s impressive design.
_caleb
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I think you and I might have very different definitions of “pushing the boundary.” And “new technology.”
And possibly also “discussion.” But that’s okay!
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
lazyboy97o
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It’s been twenty years since Son of Beast opened and seventeen since Top Thrill Dragster.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Well...we know that thrill is not the Disney market...it doesn’t make sense to make half hearted attempts at it.
But there is a Valid point that they’ve fallen “farther” behind in that category than they did 20 years ago in the Orlando market.
Disney is never gonna built a themed B&M ...they could and should...but that’s a different story...
But 20 years ago when Everest was planned, the lead “thrills” were kraken and hulk. Now sea world has a couple of more thrill examples in park and universal has one under construction and one planned.
Bigger void when you build mine train and 9 trackless IP showcases.
Definitely not the same audience...but less ability to crossover too.
Jrb1979
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Yes that's true but look what RMC has done to push the boundaries. They have pushed the boundaries and made some the most intense coasters in the world. To each their own but you have to admit what RMC has done for coasters is very impressive. I guess why the coaster thing bugs so much is that me being a coaster enthusiast, is how unimpressed GP are with coasters. Even in this thread, a few have said they have a park near them and have no interest in going. Where as I'm jealous how so many of you live near such amazing parks.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
This is a Disney site...
It’s not representative of the general US population...who attend the locals with far more frequency on average across all demographics. Here...we pound the Disneyparks as they continue to overcharge us for them. It’s a weird psychology...for sure.
I grew up at Kennywood...went to the 4 parks in Ohio frequently...have been several times to the southern/eastern AB parks (passholder actually...due to proximity to sesame place)...passholder at universal at times...a couple of the six flags. Carowinds, kings dominion...I sneak over to the cyclone when it permits if i’m Working near Brooklyn.
But my kids have practically grown up at WDW and Disneyland. I never had to “swear allegiance” to either concept. The world isn’t flat.
I come off as a “Disney hater” a lot. Not even close to accurate. But I have issues with this idea that it has to be only that and supported 100% of the time. It has lead to a place where the consumers don’t get value out of it. They just won’t stop with the doctrine and evaluate it like big boys and girls.
So sometimes Disney purists make the world flat.
Jrb1979
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I know it's a Disney site. I also belong to a site that's geared to all amusement parks. Over there I never see the Disney elitist attitude like I see here and the other Disney site. Look no further then the Universal thread where Did twitter constantly knocks the Jurrasic Park coaster. It would be nice if Disney fans would stop taking jabs and looking down at other parks so much
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Right...but I think I alone have answered why? 5 times on this thread. As have others...
It is what it is. Disneyphiles see universal as a threat (though will never admit it) and it’s therapeutic to bash it at all times. Harry Potter and the development of resort hotels changed the dynamics...it wasn’t perceived as a threat at all prior to that.
lazyboy97o
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And there are people with no interest in wine living near great vineyards that wine enthusiasts would love to visit. There are people living in New York City with no interest in seeing a musical while someone elsewhere is saving for a trip just to see shows on Broadway. Roller coasters remain the default easy way for most amusement parks to add something big, so this idea that the “general public” is uninterested seems unfounded. They do have demographic limitations in their appeal but it is closely related to physical ability to comfortably ride.
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