Brer Panther
Well-Known Member
...in May
...in May
Let’s call it a tie.There is honestly no bigger fan of the history of Disney artistic and technical design.
Fightin' words...Let’s call it a tie.![]()
You do understand the difference between saying something is preferable/not preferable to me and saying that something is inferior/superior, right? Because I keep saying the former and you keep putting it in the category of the latter. And I’m not sure why.But it’s kinda elitist to say that a thrill is automatically inferior to theme.
Let’s call it a tie.![]()
Fightin' words...
I guess that's where I differ. While Disney rides are impressive, they never really push the boundaries on new technology. Rise is just an upgrade from Ratatouille. For me the boundaries that they push with roller coasters are much more impressive. Who would have thought years ago that a wooden coaster could have inversions let alone multiple ones. Or 200 foot tall coaster have 9 inversions or break the 400 foot tall barrier. That to me is impressive. From everything I have heard the new Jurrasic Park coaster is going to one of most intense coasters in Orlando. I have said before theming is just added stuff to a ride. What would really impress me is if Disney made a high thrilling ride that was highly themed.This one is played out...so my final take:
There is honestly no bigger fan of the history of Disney artistic and technical design. It’s frankly why I go there. I’m not there for made up “mystical energy”, parades, projection shows, characters and cupcakes. Nonsense.
But I still can appreciate that.
For me, this goes back to Disney’s construction over the last 20 years and operation. And that triggers an almost instinctual response from the Disney elite fans...what I call “the praetorians”.
The world is not so small that a normal, highly impressive ride from a technical perspective can’t be better than an over themed one...covered in movie sets with computer designed rock work. It can happen. I’m not saying it does all the time - of course.
The Jurassic park coaster was bagged from the start by the purple cloaks. It’s in record. But that’s silly. Maybe it’s only a shot of adrenaline? Maybe they figured out how to “bridge” the atmosphere and the G-force. That’s kinda hagrids and gringotts. The world is big enough for both.
But it’s kinda elitist to say that a thrill is automatically inferior to theme. And before 8 people say “I didn’t say that”...ya did. Implied the hell out of it.
So while Peter Pan and mine train are fine rides...they don’t have 1 hour/2 hour waits because “theming is superior”. It’s because the Iger management has BADLY mismanaged supply and operation of those parks.
There’s a couple of unrelated elements being crossed here and the truth remains “elusive”.
Let’s call it a tie.![]()
...I meant amongst “above average” fanFightin' words...
...in May
I’m happy to share...I meant amongst “above average” fan
...I’m not talking about you kooks. I yield the throne there![]()
They pushed the boundaries of technology...just not THRILL technology.I guess that's where I differ. While Disney rides are impressive, they never really push the boundaries on new technology. Rise is just an upgrade from Ratatouille. For me the boundaries that they push with roller coasters are much more impressive. Who would have thought years ago that a wooden coaster could have inversions let alone multiple ones. Or 200 foot tall coaster have 9 inversions or break the 400 foot tall barrier. That to me is impressive. From everything I have heard the new Jurrasic Park coaster is going to one of most intense coasters in Orlando. I have said before theming is just added stuff to a ride. What would really impress me is if Disney made a high thrilling ride that was highly themed.
I think you and I might have very different definitions of “pushing the boundary.” And “new technology.”I guess that's where I differ. While Disney rides are impressive, they never really push the boundaries on new technology. Rise is just an upgrade from Ratatouille. For me the boundaries that they push with roller coasters are much more impressive. Who would have thought years ago that a wooden coaster could have inversions let alone multiple ones. Or 200 foot tall coaster have 9 inversions or break the 400 foot tall barrier. That to me is impressive. From everything I have heard the new Jurrasic Park coaster is going to one of most intense coasters in Orlando. I have said before theming is just added stuff to a ride. What would really impress me is if Disney made a high thrilling ride that was highly themed.
It’s been twenty years since Son of Beast opened and seventeen since Top Thrill Dragster.I guess that's where I differ. While Disney rides are impressive, they never really push the boundaries on new technology. Rise is just an upgrade from Ratatouille. For me the boundaries that they push with roller coasters are much more impressive. Who would have thought years ago that a wooden coaster could have inversions let alone multiple ones. Or 200 foot tall coaster have 9 inversions or break the 400 foot tall barrier. That to me is impressive. From everything I have heard the new Jurrasic Park coaster is going to one of most intense coasters in Orlando. I have said before theming is just added stuff to a ride. What would really impress me is if Disney made a high thrilling ride that was highly themed.
Well...we know that thrill is not the Disney market...it doesn’t make sense to make half hearted attempts at it.It’s been twenty years since Son of Beast opened and seventeen since Top Thrill Dragster.
Yes that's true but look what RMC has done to push the boundaries. They have pushed the boundaries and made some the most intense coasters in the world. To each their own but you have to admit what RMC has done for coasters is very impressive. I guess why the coaster thing bugs so much is that me being a coaster enthusiast, is how unimpressed GP are with coasters. Even in this thread, a few have said they have a park near them and have no interest in going. Where as I'm jealous how so many of you live near such amazing parks.It’s been twenty years since Son of Beast opened and seventeen since Top Thrill Dragster.
This is a Disney site...Yes that's true but look what RMC has done to push the boundaries. They have pushed the boundaries and made some the most intense coasters in the world. To each their own but you have to admit what RMC has done for coasters is very impressive. I guess why the coaster thing bugs so much is that me being a coaster enthusiast, is how unimpressed GP are with coasters. Even in this thread, a few have said they have a park near them and have no interest in going. Where as I'm jealous how so many of you live near such amazing parks.
I know it's a Disney site. I also belong to a site that's geared to all amusement parks. Over there I never see the Disney elitist attitude like I see here and the other Disney site. Look no further then the Universal thread where Did twitter constantly knocks the Jurrasic Park coaster. It would be nice if Disney fans would stop taking jabs and looking down at other parks so muchThis is a Disney site...
It’s not representative of the general US population...who attend the locals with far more frequency on average across all demographics. Here...we pound the Disneyparks as they continue to overcharge us for them. It’s a weird psychology...for sure.
I grew up at Kennywood...went to the 4 parks in Ohio frequently...have been several times to the southern/eastern AB parks (passholder actually...due to proximity to sesame place)...passholder at universal at times...a couple of the six flags. Carowinds, kings dominion...I sneak over to the cyclone when it permits if i’m Working near Brooklyn.
But my kids have practically grown up at WDW and Disneyland. I never had to “swear allegiance” to either concept. The world isn’t flat.
I come off as a “Disney hater” a lot. Not even close to accurate. But I have issues with this idea that it has to be only that and supported 100% of the time. It has lead to a place where the consumers don’t get value out of it. They just won’t stop with the doctrine and evaluate it like big boys and girls.
So sometimes Disney purists make the world flat.
Right...but I think I alone have answered why? 5 times on this thread. As have others...I know it's a Disney site. I also belong to a site that's geared to all amusement parks. Over there I never see the Disney elitist attitude like I see here and the other Disney site. Look no further then the Universal thread where Did twitter constantly knocks the Jurrasic Park coaster. It would be nice if Disney fans would stop taking jabs and looking down at other parks so much
And there are people with no interest in wine living near great vineyards that wine enthusiasts would love to visit. There are people living in New York City with no interest in seeing a musical while someone elsewhere is saving for a trip just to see shows on Broadway. Roller coasters remain the default easy way for most amusement parks to add something big, so this idea that the “general public” is uninterested seems unfounded. They do have demographic limitations in their appeal but it is closely related to physical ability to comfortably ride.Yes that's true but look what RMC has done to push the boundaries. They have pushed the boundaries and made some the most intense coasters in the world. To each their own but you have to admit what RMC has done for coasters is very impressive. I guess why the coaster thing bugs so much is that me being a coaster enthusiast, is how unimpressed GP are with coasters. Even in this thread, a few have said they have a park near them and have no interest in going. Where as I'm jealous how so many of you live near such amazing parks.
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